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Zedark

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SoD2 being $30 makes it even better as the chart is based on revenue and not unit sales.
That's one aspect of it: the other is that a lower price also makes your game an easier purchase, and means you get less mone per purchase. It depends on your goal: for GAAS, low price and high player count are probably a good idea: for GOW, high purchase price is more important.

All discussion is moot, though, since SOD2 did very well by whatever metric.
 

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A couple of thoughts:

  • Game Pass is killing it in terms of helping sales.
  • SOD 2 beating GoW 4 shows me that cinematic single player AAA games are helpful but not a must
  • Game journalists and reviews are certainly not representative of the overall public

GoW is on its second month, and how is a game that sold 5 million copies in less than a month not a must?

Concerning Detroit. Sony greenlighted Detroit right after Beyond Two Souls which faired worse critically and commercially than Heavy Rain and with Detroit tracking better than both I see no reason while we won't be getting another exclusive collaboration between the two companies.
 
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Arkaign

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Install base momentum is huge. PS4 has seen no real 'deals', yet still leads HW sales. This steady incremental lead over the year will make the holiday months really interesting, if they should just go for the lower-volume/higher-profit-per-unit route. It seems an interesting question to me :

$299 with XXX sales

Vs

$249 with XXX sales + boost

Obviously you calculate the total difference with the raw gap between the totals, but of course more install base = more game/accessory/PS+ sales. It must be an interesting balance met internally with projections and incoming data on the market.

What makes this particularly interesting to me is that I absolutely expected PS4 and X1 to have $249 base SKUs by now as the standard price. Holding out this long at $299 with only a few $249 or under sales like that $189 X1S and $199 Slim deal last November means IMHO that a huge market is yet to be served in terms of $199 SKUs. I mean, once someone actually has a console, buying a $29 or $59 game is more possible here and there compared to saving $300+ just to get in the door at all. Not to mention a second controller, online sub, movie rental, etc.

That huge DRAM price/supply issue of the recent era complete with lawsuits over price fixing is something I believe probably impacted the feasibility of price cuts. 8GB of GDDR5 is still an expensive BoM even today, and possibly even higher than it was in 2013, and absolutely higher than 2015.

https://www.techspot.com/news/74369-samsung-micron-hynix-hit-class-action-suit-over.html

PS4, PS4 Slim, and PS4 Pro uses Samsung GDDR5 chips as well as the DDR3 pool.

X1S and OG uses Samsung DDR3, while X uses Samsung GDDR5 (12GB of higher clock bin, which is the most expensive of all SKUs).

Personally I believe that we are past the absolute worst part of the memory pricing, and things will improve from here. How fast, I cannot say.
 

Zappy

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On the 'I agree' side is the fact that I often check out what my friends are playing and am apt to download things I otherwise would not. Oh, and fuck that guy for playing cliker heroes and having it show up in my feed. *i will not play f2p microtransaction games...i will not play f2p microtransaction games....*

On the 'i dont agree' side, we cannot know how much it sold without gamepass, could be more could be less. The real test will come when other companies panies decide whether or not to release big games on gp. If we see farcry6 or blackops V, then we'll know the data is solid.

Yep, Spencer admitted they couldn't scientifically compare the same game with/without gamepass.

However both SoT and SoD2 surpassed their internal sales expectations for those titles, without taking gamepass or its effects into account.
 

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I'm not talking about revenue here but unit. I meant gow on its second month currently so of course beating new releases is not really expected of it and the competing game is half of its price. Gow sold most of its numbers in the first month and as you can see it's 2nd highest selling title of 2018 while sod 2 is no where in top 10

But all the charts are talking about revenue we don't know unit sales lol.

GOW's second month, And SOD 2 is 30. Plus GOW is second top selling this year! Surely that proves your comment is BS.

Yet again it's revenue not unit sales. SoD2 will have sold waaay more copies than GoW's second month. GoW obviously has had incredible sales so yeah I certainly agree with you more than the person you quoted but don't downplay SoD2's success either.
 

Gamer17

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I doubt it too. I also never said anything close to that so please go read what I said again before replying. SoD 2 isn't a major big budget AAA game but it clearly sold very well even with being on Game Pass. That's literally a fact and can't be argued against.

I'm not saying GoW 4 wasn't a good game or didn't sell very well. My point is that there is still clearly a large amount of people who are willing to purchase games that are not cinematic AAA single player games. There really isn't anything to argue against or be shocked about lol. Some people crack me up.
U never know that as sod2 is not available on PS4 or gow isn't available on x1 .so we can't argue which one people would choose if both were available on same platform .maybe if Xbox users had choice they would choose gow over sod2 or PS4 users would choose sod2 over GOW.what you declare as fact is rather unknown .
 

jakob ben-oni

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The ceiling is pretty much Heavy Rain, so by all accounts Detroit does great. One concern raised that I do agree with is that these games continue to cost more to make (still on the lower AAA end mind you), while sales might not increase in the same way. Heavy Rain did yield a pretty great profit, so it will take quite a few more budget increases before these games become entirely unprofitable with the sales they currently get. But it is a concern. I do think though that Sony will greenlight a PS5 game from them though to bolster their line-up. Perhaps they might be eventually forced to do a sequel instead of a new IP for once. That's one aspect that's rarely considered with QD, but it is an option they have to increase sales.


Good point, but I don't think Quantic is there yet where it isn't profitable. Also from what I heard Detroit took longer than expected blowing the budget a bit higher than it was supposed to be. Perhaps they can even lower it for the next one

I might not be using the word 'ceiling' properly. What I mean is how many ps4 owners would be interested in this type of premium game. The ceiling for a fps is probably > 20 million, that sort of thing. And how do you get actual sales closer to theoretical maximum? E.g., have actual critics on staff telling you what to do so you can get a high MC.
 

grosbard

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Oct 27, 2017
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But who is saying otherwise?

The majority of people who visit gaming forums? The overall narrative is that Microsoft has to have cinematic AAA single player games to compete with Sony. Yeah, it would be awesome if Microsoft did have games that rivaled Sony exclusives like GoW 4 but they currently don't. Just because they don't that doesn't mean their exclusives are selling like crap and they aren't making a profit.
 

Kaako

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Seems everyone did well this NPD, nice!
GTAV is never leaving that top 10 is it?
 

dragonbane

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Surely The Walking Dead has sold a ton more than Heavy Rain? Back in 2014 they announced that they'd sold 28 million episodes. It's on everything. No way Heavy Rain has outsold that, never mind the Minecraft Story Mode game.
I was talking more in the AAA space. 5.3 million copies for a stand alone game on two consoles is pretty massive though for Heavy Rain. TWD would be at 5.6 million units if you consider full game = 5 episodes I guess. Don't think that comparison makes a lot of sense though as TWD is indeed on everything and Telltale gives them away for almost free sometimes
 

patapon

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The majority of people who visit gaming forums? The overall narrative is that Microsoft has to have cinematic AAA single player games to compete with Sony. Yeah, it would be awesome if Microsoft did have games that rivaled Sony exclusives like GoW 4 but they currently don't. Just because they don't that doesn't mean their exclusives are selling like crap and they aren't making a profit.

Sorry but I am not seeing this narrative that MS has to have Cinematic third person AAA games to compete. Might be a few fanboys here and there saying that. What I do see people asking MS is to have successful NEW IPs to compete with Sony, and hopefully with the acquisition of these amazing new studios, MS is able to do that.
 

dragonbane

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I might not be using the word 'ceiling' properly. What I mean is how many ps4 owners would be interested in this type of premium game. The ceiling for a fps is probably > 20 million, that sort of thing. And how do you get actual sales closer to theoretical maximum? E.g., have actual critics on staff telling you what to do so you can get a high MC.
I really don't think a game which is basically an AAA adventure game can sell more than 6 million units lifetime tbh. Unless it is based on an established IP
 

Savantcore

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Wow, fair fucks State of Decay 2. I think I encountered a bug that stopped me from progressing early on but I might give it another go.
 

TooBusyLookinGud

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Great for Gamepass and SoD2.

Good for everyone. Competition is fantastic!

Serious question to everyone that thought Gamepass would eat up game sells. What do you think about it now? Do you think it's a service that all manufactures should look into or are you still not sold on it yet?

I for one was a bit skeptical of it at first.
 

gundamkyoukai

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I'm not saying GoW 4 wasn't a good game or didn't sell very well. My point is that there is still clearly a large amount of people who are willing to purchase games that are not cinematic AAA single player games. There really isn't anything to argue against or be shocked about lol. Some people crack me up.

Don't think anyone said other wise .
In fact most of the best selling games for long while have not been cinematic AAA single player games.
 

grosbard

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Sorry but I am not seeing this narrative that MS has to have Cinematic third person AAA games to compete. Might be a few fanboys here and there saying that. What I do see people asking MS is to have successful NEW IPs to compete with Sony, and hopefully with the acquisition of these amazing new studios, MS is able to do that.

Really? You have haven't seen the Halo/Gears/Forza meme? You haven't seen tons of Xbox fans (myself included) talk about how they want AAA single player games? I guarantee it's not just a few fanboys here and there saying those things.

Edit: In fact, here is a tweet from Phil specially mentioning single player. It's not just a few fanboys lol.

https://twitter.com/XboxP3/status/9...-pledges-build-high-quality-first-party-games
 

SuikerBrood

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Really? You have haven't seen the Halo/Gears/Forza meme? You haven't seen tons of Xbox fans (myself included) talk about how they want AAA single player games? I guarantee it's not just a few fanboys here and there saying those things.

And MS acknowledges as much with The Initiative, Playground Studios, Ninja Theory and Compulsion Games now in Microsoft Studios.
 

patapon

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Really? You have haven't seen the Halo/Gears/Forza meme? You haven't seen tons of Xbox fans (myself included) talk about how they want AAA single player games? I guarantee it's not just a few fanboys here and there saying those things.

I have seen halo, forza and gears meme, hence I mentioned New IPs in my post.
Doesn't matter if this new IP is a TPS or an FPS, SP or MP, it should be a good game first, period.
 

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I like how GTA V figuring in the top 10 for the XXX consecutive month is not more a suprise.

This game seems attached to every consoles sales.



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Toriko

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Great for Gamepass and SoD2.

Good for everyone. Competition is fantastic!

Serious question to everyone that thought Gamepass would eat up game sells. What do you think about it now? Do you think it's a service that all manufactures should look into or are you still not sold on it yet?

I for one was a bit skeptical of it at first.

I really don't know how any one can conclude anything about game pass from this result. It could be that game pass did not hurt the sales of SOD because not enough ppl subscribed to game pass? Like how does this result convey anything about game pass in anyway?
 

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I'm very surprised at state of decay 2. Isn't it a buggy mess? I don't get the appeal.

It has bugs but it is a very deep management sim and there's nothing else like it out there with its mix of open world zombie RPG and management sim, and it does what it wants to do pretty damn well. At least for me, the fact that the game is ambitious and pulls off a lot of it overshadows the layer of jank and bugs.
 

CarthOhNoes

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Hyrule Warriors and Donkey Kong in the top 10. BUT ERA TOLD ME NINTENDO WAS DOOMED AND NOBODY BUYS PORTS AND 2018 SWITCH IS THE WORST YEAR FOR A CONSOLE EVER????
 

ShinobiBk

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What is the exact time frame for "May"?

Cause Dark Souls not even charting at all is a shock. Was there not enough time in the month for it to chart or did the delay of the Switch version hurt sales that much?
 

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Gamepass is the best review/demo you can have I guess but then again, why buy the game even if it's 30 bucks?
 

cakely

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MatPiscatella

I have a question regarding the inclusion of digital sales in the NPD:

Is your digital sales information regional? For example: for a title that's available on the PlayStation store would you receive only the data for the copies sold to North America? If so, How does that work?