Palpatine putting in extra mind control work it seems
If AotC didn't ruin the franchise, sure as well tLJ can't manage to do it either.
Why do you think he has to explain anything in that scene? He also has scenes with Kylo by themselves. Or they could write totally different scenes.
I like how people love Rogue One for having no character development for all the new people introduced. But for Snoke everyone wanted a big background plot dump. If Snoke was Plagueis or a clone or whatever wouldn't it have been set-up? Thinking back on it why would Snoke being anyone from earlier in the new EU be any kind of big reveal? It wouldn't change or modify anything about the first movie if Snoke said "Perhaps you would fear me if you knew my true name! Darth Plagueis!" I feel pretty much every fan change that 200 million would be put behind would be pointless in exactly this way. A lot of fanservice that serves no point except to be fanservice.
Uh 500m isn't enough to make an argument on? Even if it were between making 2.5 and 3 billion that would still be a big difference.
Thank you!It's easy to ignore the bad word of mouth when it mostly comes from an online hardcore fan community so rabidly hateful, closed minded, and generally only interested in the most plain fanservice possible that they seem impossible to please anyway.
The films are being well received by critics and general moviegoers. It's pretty much the biggest Star Wars fans who hate modern Star Wars, and they've taken to bombarding every corner of the internet with hate for TLJ for not giving them what they want. They just cannot get over it. Watch any Youtube video that has anything to do with Star Wars, you will not have to scroll further than two comments before someone is shitting on TLJ. Look at the scores on Rottentomatoes:
TFA: 93% critics, 87% audience
TLJ: 91% critics, 46% audience
That massive TLJ rift is due to fans absolutely filling the RT page with 1 and .5 star reviews, most of which just say hyper polarized bullshit like "garbage," "worst movie ever!" or "Luke shouldn't have died!" Don't take my word for it, check it out yourself.
The idea that these movies are universally hated is a total falsehood that an embarrassing, desperate fanbase has been pushing since the film came out. The saddest part is that people generally hate TLJ for doing things the original films did, like using the force as a limitless storytelling device or shrouding characters in mystery (we never found out much of anything about Vader's past beyond that fact that he was Luke's dad and we learned nothing about the emperor). Instead of just giving people easy, predictable fanservice the movie actually tried to illustrate lessons and push the characters places they hadn't been before.
Fans don't want that. No one wants the original Star Wars storytelling to come back. They don't want things to change or startle them. We have Star Wars just the way we want it- keep it that way and just give us Darth Vader killing people and space battles. Fans actually seem to like Rogue One for that reason.
When we're talking about a film that made more than a billion dollars at the global box office and got placed on the list of highest grossing films of all time then yes, 500m is not enough to make an argument. Read the post I quoted above.
Oh yeah this is something that needs to happen.
They're saying it's not necessary. They're saying you're putting a ton of weight on an arbitrary desire.
How is "where's my exposition dump towards characters who realistically wouldn't actually care" a reasonable criticism?
I dare you to quote me saying this or even REMOTELY ever implying it. I know you're not going to because it's a total bullshit claim, but i'm calling attention to it anyways. No one in this thread even implied this. Or in the OTs.
It's easy to ignore the bad word of mouth when it mostly comes from an online hardcore fan community so rabidly hateful, closed minded, and generally only interested in the most plain fanservice possible that they seem impossible to please anyway.
The films are being well received by critics and general moviegoers. It's pretty much the biggest Star Wars fans who hate modern Star Wars, and they've taken to bombarding every corner of the internet with hate for TLJ for not giving them what they want. They just cannot get over it. Watch any Youtube video that has anything to do with Star Wars, you will not have to scroll further than two comments before someone is shitting on TLJ. Look at the scores on Rottentomatoes:
TFA: 93% critics, 87% audience
TLJ: 91% critics, 46% audience
That massive TLJ rift is due to fans absolutely filling the RT page with 1 and .5 star reviews, most of which just say hyper polarized bullshit like "garbage," "worst movie ever!" or "Luke shouldn't have died!" Don't take my word for it, check it out yourself.
The idea that these movies are universally hated is a total falsehood that an embarrassing, desperate fanbase has been pushing since the film came out. The saddest part is that people generally hate TLJ for doing things the original films did, like using the force as a limitless storytelling device or shrouding characters in mystery (we never found out much of anything about Vader's past beyond that fact that he was Luke's dad and we learned nothing about the emperor). Instead of just giving people easy, predictable fanservice the movie actually tried to illustrate lessons and push the characters places they hadn't been before.
Fans don't want that. No one wants the original Star Wars storytelling to come back. They don't want things to change or startle them. We have Star Wars just the way we want it- keep it that way and just give us Darth Vader killing people and space battles. Fans actually seem to like Rogue One for that reason.
I don't really like the stand alone movies they're making but we'll where that take us.
Well, those threads are both movie discussions but also feel like. I don't know, almost like Sports discussion. Like I'm watching people discuss their favorite Sports teams and how well they're going to do in the next game.
Nice victim complex over a movie discussion.
SW is good not because of the cohesion of it's lore but because of the messages in the media itself.
First, why would Kylo care? Why would Kylo already not be aware in some way by the events of the films? You can't write Snoke explaining his backstory in these films, you can't have some grand reveal because the characters themselves wouldn't care. Because at that point, the characters are talking SOLELY to the audience, not actually talking to the characters of the narrative itself in a way that makes sense. The PT gave us way more than enough of that.
lmao this misrepresentation
Oh this is very true, a lot of the First Order, Resistance backstory you have to read the books to really get. It's kind of annoying.
I couldn't disagree with this any more strongly.
Which is why, despite its flaws, I very much enjoyed TLJ
I'm not gonna say it's impossible. But you seem to basically be arguing that it being possible means it's necessary and that's some BS
Like Hux could last 2 seconds against Kylo.
There's nothing that says that they know who he explicitly is other than Snoke.
The vast vast majority of the Empire and even the chain of command didn't even know that the emperor was a sith lord until after his death.
Hux, Snoke, and Kylo discuss the things they wanna do multiple times, they wanna destroy the resistance, find and kill Luke Skywalker, and take over the galaxy, that's their main objective, it never strays from that.
Because he doesn't need to be explained and there's zero way to do that without it being the equivalent of this:
Same.
Depends how the power dynamics play out within the FO
Is it really a devolution if the entire thread is about remaking TLJ?
Who said anything about complex and dynamic?
Not really no. Snoke's whole plan is laid out for us pretty early in the first movie even. It was essentially
I honestly don't care about Rose as a character in TLJ aside from the ending where she crashes into Finn being really awful. I'm not hugely against her character like some people are.
They definitely do that.... "Maz: how I got the lightsaber is a story... for another time!" That's JJ Abrams passing the buck to a novel writer.
No I thought that was the weakest part of the story. But I understood why it was in the movie. It was supposed to be the part that set-up and detailed how there are other people in the Star Wars Universe that are often overlooked and that the conflict between the First Order and the Resistance means something different to them. Her quick little spiel was basically her saying that she has to fight because she think it'll lead to a better life for her were the Rich don't control the lives of the poor. It's detailing a reason why she and other people can't ignore the fight (although they turn this on it's head with Benecio del Toro's character).
I'd argue that's almost exactly wrong.
If anything, the Cursed Child is like a case study in how not to follow up a story for a modern audience.
You really need to study up on film history and the context of why ANH and subsequently, the OT, was successful if you think extensive lore was a bigger contributor to it's glowing success as a historical landmark on cinema more so than the actual story, events, and characters of the films. Like genuinely learn about film history.
Yeah exactly! It's weird to me that a lot of folks' creative thought only seems to be put to use rationalizing how things should go the way they want, instead of digging into the potential of the unexpected.
Bahahaha you got me there, I was about to start railing on RotJ
If that's the case you don't really want a movie about Luke or anyone. Sounds like you want a slice of life movie set in Star Wars where there's no real focus and everything is shown and lightly explained but nothing is detailed. That's something that can be done but that was never going to be a trilogy movie.
You mean the guy who was proven wrong about surviving in space when i countered with 3-4 sources and you stopped posting? If you want to go down this road again Im more than happy to indulge you on that take.
