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Westworld |S2| \W/ が遊びたい - Sundays on HBO
- Thread starter RatskyWatsky
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Dolores is really just an awful character. The show wants us to think she's the protagonist, but the only way they can accomplish this is by being as cynical as humanly possible about the entire human cast and make every living human into a complete shitbag.
Poor Elsie.
I think my biggest disappointment in a still very good series was Shogun world felt like a detour, a bit tacked on. I thought it would have more importance, like in the finale.
I'm almost impressed on the absolute nihilistic view on mankind this show maintains, and confirms, again and again. Even with supposedly hero moments like Sizemore's complete vain stupid sacrifice, you can only think back to how the Logan the Architect just reduced humanity as one of the most embarrassing and simplistic blips that the universe shat out following rudimentary patterns and incapable of actual change and meaning. Not something that's common to see in mass media, that's for sure. Even the sympathetic humans, which is like 2 now, are nothing floating in nothing, believing they actually have a choice or even matter. And the world ends up destroyed anyways, along with presumably humanity so I guess in the end it's confirmed.
This is like the anti-BSG even though they play with similar themes of cycle and death.
This is like the anti-BSG even though they play with similar themes of cycle and death.
They spent a lot of time the past couple episodes dealing with parents losing/killing their children and the grief that follows. Didn't bother me that Dolores brought Bernard back since he's practically her son.
Pretty much. The bleakness exhibited by the show was always kind of brutal, but this episode made it abundantly clear that the showrunners have zero faith in humanity.
The sad part is that none of the remaining hosts are worth following. So who the fuck are we supposed to root for now?
if you're rooting for anyone other than Delores in Westworld from the beginning, then I don't know what to tell you.
She shot Bernard as Hale then took the brain marble out of his head and left the park. Bernard was shot in the most recent timeline, not the old one. There's nothing in his old body now.
Dolores was sympathetic in the first season. S2 Dolores is a villain.
Its cracked me up all season that neither underwood rachel evenwood nor nolan/joy seem to realize that Delores is the villain. Like and its not even ambiguous.
If youre rooting for her in S2 you were also rooting for walter white in the final two seasons of BB despite the fact he was very clearly the villian at that point. Delores is not a good person (host).
Was Elsie killed by Hale or Halores? The talk about her morality makes me think that it happened because Halores read Elsie's book but her death seemed to be the impetus of Bernard's plan. Or am I missing something that Hale knew about Elsie?
But Bernard has pretty much passed through the moral event horizon now too, as far as I can tell. He went from being a sympathetic antithesis to Dolores' "burn it all down" psychosis, but now it seems like he's come around to her way of thinking.
You know, for the amount that I've been internally griping about Evan Rachel Wood's acting this season, I damn near had a heart attack thinking we were going to be stuck with Tessa Thompson as the lead going forward. Fortunately, the universe did not monkey-paw me like that.
Also, the way this wrapped up makes the extra year for the next season make way more sense.
Also, the way this wrapped up makes the extra year for the next season make way more sense.
Delos was watching everyone in the park including the employees. Real Hale read Elsie's file and determined that she was too shifty to keep around alive.
Same. Terrible character that really didn't amount to anything after so much screen time.
It's the reverse matrix.
Wheras in the film, humans were trying to free themselves from the machines, in WW, the machines are trying to free themselves from the humans - some of which did so by literally re-entering the matrix (The sublime).
Both scenarios required "waking up".
But professor X never came around to Magneto's side. Bernard did.
You got it backwards. Hale read Elsie's file and determined that she was too rigid to keep alive. Hale wanted someone with a flexible morality who would be fine with everything Delos was up to or at least be corruptible enough to shut up and not say anything, but Elsie was clearly not going to just sit there and take a payoff and not still work against them after everything she saw, and Hale knew that.
Literally the first thing I thought of during their exchange at the end lol
If they were trying to set up that kind of duality, they shouldn't have had Bernard's pivotal dramatic climax this season be him admitting that his way was wrong all along and Dolores was right.
I mean Dolores literally said that she and Bernard will fight. If you mean that he agreed to kill the bad humans then yes. I don't think he's gonna kill good humans imo. He'll probably find a balance.
Neither were the people that raped, murdered, tortured, and enslaved her. After season 1, the whole point really, is you're supposed to emphasize with the trauma shes been through.
S2 was Benard journey realzing Dolores and Ford were right. In the end, he makes the same damn choice.
Now we have Arnold back, because Dolores plan requires him. Also MIB in the far future as (yhe second?) human grafted to host success story after Arnold.
I like how theres a definitive end here, yet the next volume is ready to go. Its a really interesting design for a TV show.
But didn't the recently built Bernard reference the past several times? "Is this now?" + remembering the events of Season 2 according to his last conversation before Dolores left his house?
How did Dolores recreate all of that from memory...
You don't have to root for anyone. Even when you root for the robots who love each other, it ends badly.
I find the demoralising tone make up part of an effective horror.
Pretty sure Dolores recreated Arnold, not Benard. The first scene and the last are mirrors, but one is in the real world. We already know Arnold was in the first scene.
Arnold, mind you, would not choose what Benard ended up choosing. Which is why Benard was never Arnold.
The question now is what Dolores needs with an Arnold.
Arnold, mind you, would not choose what Benard ended up choosing. Which is why Benard was never Arnold.
The question now is what Dolores needs with an Arnold.
I'm just not a big fan of shows that are bleak and depressing and have absolutely no sympathetic or likeable characters. Even Game of Thrones, as much of a downer as it might be, has people you can at least be invested in.
I don't care about Dolores' revenge quest at all. Her indiscriminate lashing out just doesn't provide compelling narrative payoff.
Did not expect Westworld to pull a total SOMA, create a virtual Eden and send it into space. Does Frictional get a writing credit on this?
are you kidding? Harris is in this for the long haul.
also imagine watching this show trying to recreate your faith in humanity. that's a joke, right?
also imagine watching this show trying to recreate your faith in humanity. that's a joke, right?
I saw the first 4 episodes of season 2 and am planning to binge the rest tomorrow.
Couple of questions, no spoilers please.
Couple of questions, no spoilers please.
- Is season 2 redeemed by the end? It started to go off the rails/be ass early IMO. Super heavy handed.
- Are there only 10 episodes/is the season over currently?
I don't know why some of you are so focused on whether Dolores is a hero or a villain or likable or whatever else. This is about clashing visions for the future of what is ostensibly a new species. No one is under the impression Dolores is a hero - that label doesn't matter. Neither do the others.
Dude's only 67. He's not that old. He just LOOKS old because they showed him in close-up a lot this week.
I think William has been a host for a while, maybe since before his wife died. His card said something something about Subject #2. #1 would be Delos.
I think him constantly grabbing his arm and going nuts was his fidelity breaking down.
I think him constantly grabbing his arm and going nuts was his fidelity breaking down.