If that were a bigger issue, it'd actually be brought on it's own, and not only in the context of or in reaction to Crossplay.
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Sony's Fortnite crossplay account block is now covered by mainstream press [Sony Responds]
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If that were a bigger issue, it'd actually be brought on it's own, and not only in the context of or in reaction to Crossplay.
Not to mention that horrid dlc plan they were pushing. I was hyped as can be leading up to Evolve's release, but it definitely turned out nothing like I was hoping. My fault letting my hype get the best of me, but damn it. The lead up was looking so damn promising. :)
I mean, is it not being brought on it's own? I know crossplay gets thrown into the discussion because of the topic but many articles and discussions have been on the point of Sony locking your account behind their wall.
I think I'm just gonna have to create a new account and re-purchase my pass. Luckily I'm only like a level or two up from that intro pass and skin pack so not that big of a daal. But I now will no longer be buying games on my PS4 not getting a ps5 so I guess well done Sony?
This is what's going to bite Sony eventually. More and more games are adopting account based systems with cross play and sometimes cross save. The problem is that they are gonna be left behind next gen if they keep these policies.
I don't even think that, with the install bases resetting and the Switch not getting most big third party games, It won't be a buying factor. Especially since both will still cross play with PC.
Not only that but if Sony is blocking your account from being used on another platform what does that mean for any publisher in the future who wants to do something that Fortnite is doing with cross save and cross progression? I'm thinking they might just alienate Sony from ALL other platforms. Exclude them if they don't want to be part of it all. This game will play on Switch/PC and Xbox One or you can just play on PS4. That's how I would add extra pressure.
That's where the publishers need to interject and tell Sony they are on their own if they don't want to get along. PS5 only or PC/Xbox/Switch.
Kinda relevenat
https://variety.com/2018/gaming/news/fortnite-lendedu-poll-1202858235/amp/
Nearly 70% of "Fortnite" players have spent money on in-game purchases, paying an average of $84.67 for a variety of emotes, cosmetics and more, according to a new poll from student and personal loan marketplace LendEDU.
Its only going to get harder and harder for people to walk away from these accounts for the Switch.
The resentment towards Sony will only grow.
https://variety.com/2018/gaming/news/fortnite-lendedu-poll-1202858235/amp/
Nearly 70% of "Fortnite" players have spent money on in-game purchases, paying an average of $84.67 for a variety of emotes, cosmetics and more, according to a new poll from student and personal loan marketplace LendEDU.
Its only going to get harder and harder for people to walk away from these accounts for the Switch.
The resentment towards Sony will only grow.
At least on this forum, i haven't seen the Paywall stuff brought up on it's own. In one of the 2 recent threads on the subject, i made this observation and i didn't receive any objections to it. It's several appearances in this thread also support that observation.
That's not happening, PS will keep cross playing with Mobile and Pc.
For regular, not on a gaming forum, parents buying a console for their kids just to play Fortnight, cross play probably isn't a big factor. Paying $60 a year for Xbox Live is probably a 10 times bigger red flag for most parents. I say this having talked to a couple people at work complain about having to pay for Live for their kids to play Roblox. That's not a defense of Sony's cross play policy, but I think the reality for most parents; if a household has a switch I'm sure that would change but I feel like the number of households with multiple consoles is pretty low.
Never said it was happening, I said it should happen. The more pressure put on them the better. That way there won't be any mix ups either and Sony cannot contaminate anyone else and hold anyone hostage.
But why should PC be denied with Sony when they've been largely doing things with PC all this time? That's taking away an entire feature in favor of the other two because they play together. That's super fucked up because Sony didn't stop PC gamers from cross play and started this gen encouraging and pushing that forward
I get yours point but that would be even more anti consumer, many people with Playstation play on Pc and Mobile too.
Those PC players are already being denied now if they ever decide to buy a Switch if they ever played on the PS4, so if Sony is adamant to not play ball then so be it. Let them die alone on that hill. Use the same bullshit argument Sony is for PC players. "Hey PC gamer, you can play with Switch, Xbox, and Mobile. That's more than enough people to play with."
Now tell me what's the problem?
Sony thinks they have enough players already, that they don't need Switch and Xbox. As a PC gamer you now have access to Xbox and Switch so again you have enough players because you also have Mobile as well. As a publisher I would not take too kindly to have some arrogant company telling me how I should envision my game and block accounts all because they sell the most hardware.
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Fortnite is the exception....not the rule? How is that hard to understand? Sony hasnt held accounts hostage for any other game except this one, because of it's very unique situation. One that no doubt, Sony is 100% wrong for...but this does not mean that this will be the case moving forward, as far as I can see. Many cross platform games do not have a cross progression so we are only seeing one so far, or better said, one that is more popular than those that may exist with the same idea...
But this radical approach you are talking about which consist of taking away from other games that do not have this problem...is so..childish? I don't know how else to put it. All this time, Crossplay with PC gamers has never been an issue until this account situation..
Tell me something. How do you go from commenting in this thread below and acting like crossplay isn't that big of a deal to now arguing against the idea of blocking PS4 owners from playing on Mobile and PC? You can't have it both ways my friend.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/ps...latform-poll-added.50005/page-57#post-9612095
Also if you cared to read my comment on this subject I specifically said this,
what does that mean for any publisher in the future who wants to do something that Fortnite is doing with cross save and cross progression?
How hard is that for you to understand? So don't even begin calling me or anyone else childish, if anyone is being childish it's clearly Sony.
Sony has nothing to lose by allowing crossplay imo, they are well cemented as market leader this gen. However I get why they won't, Fortnite is likely pushing units, there are 80+ mil PS4s out there, I'm guessing a huge chunk of those users are playing Fortnite, so if someone decides to buy a console to play with friends, chances are his friends are going to own PS4s. By being stubborn in this situation, they're making the best immediate business decision. However who knows how this might affect them in the future.
I'm willing to bet that the number of people who play Fortnite and literally no other multiplayer game that would require Gold/Plus is significantly smaller than the number of people affected by this account issue.
Ya, there's no way that 70% of the people playing Fortnite have spent $84.67 on average. I can believe 70% of people polled in this poll have, but I don't think it translates the entire user base.
Of all the quotes I had in that thread, you chose that one? Lol ok
1st.
Cross Play has been a thing since this gen has started. It has started with PS4 and PC...which has become its own standard. Xbox and PC also have the same and Nintendo has now come into the fold. Again, that has become a STANDARD...something that has been accepted, expected with multiple PC and PS4 titles (indies as well) and pretty much done since 2013.
Cross Platform Console Play, is a new concept that has been adopted by Microsoft and Nintendo as of 2017. This was not a concept that was brought about from the start of this gen. So this is not a standard, this is a a new concept. I for one, never purchased the PS4 or any console in the past, with the expectations that I would be playing with other platforms, such as PC and Mobile....however we are currently in a time there that has become a reality...and one that we have been living with for years.
Your current solution is to now taketh away because ONE particular game has an account issue, completely disregarding the MANY games that the PS4 has shipped with, will continue to ship with in the future all because they won't cross platform play with other consoles.
Make no mistake, I am not against the idea. I understand it both ways, but you can't argue on one hand that devs needs this for the sake of the community of their games, and on the other hand, arguing to force Sony's hand by just not allowing the PS4 gamers to not play with PC gamers they have already been used to doing, all for not supporting cross platform play with two consoles they have never (up until last year) shown interest in such proceedings.
Seriously? In that thread, I argued that cross platform play will not affect my purchase of a PS(whatever) because at the end of the day, there isn't enough games out there that it making this much of a big deal. The biggest AAA games on the market that are on both PC and Consoles, shit, some of them Only on PC can't even do crossplay together from different sources, so I'm suppose to just stop playing the games I want because of that? Gamers are hypocrites no matter how much they stand on their soapboxes taking about consumer rights, when they pick and chose which "Anti-consumer" (I hate that word) policy they want to give a pass to because it doesn't affect them either.....so I'm just not...
...But never will I suggest, that taking away is the answer...because that then becomes essentially anti-consumer. Either way, it's up to the devs whether or not they want to take that plunge, and from their own pockets, taking away is not a feasible strategy either..because that's even more stupid to piss off a major company that has been nothing but accommodating to you on their platform outside of this one issue. Everything and everyone will have rules and policies, but I'm sorry...taking away is not one of them.
And 2nd.
Final Fantasy XIV allows cross progression and cross save so that is one example of Sony actually not having some harden stance on it. Fortnite just seems to be this weird exception. I'm also sure that I've read that Dragon Quest which also has some similar system between the PS4 and the Switch does this as well. Not sure if that's true but whatever. I understand that this situation makes it seem like Sony, is wholly against cross progression and saving, but I don't 100% agree that this is the case. Exception =/= Rule.
What do you think about what the threads actually about though? The locking of people's accounts if they've logged in just once on a PS4 so they can't play on any other console?
It's a good distraction, that's about it.
It means 70% of Fortnite players have spent something. It doesn't mean they spend on average that amount, it just averages out to that meaning the big whales could spend $2,000 which would bring up the overall average.
I didn't want to quote all of that, doesn't mean I disagree or agree. What I will say, and maybe this is my fault for not being clear enough, is what I was implying is anyone who wants to make a game like Fortnite in the future that they should let Sony know how it's going to go down. Not the other way around. That way there is no confusion or this kind of mess we see now. We might as well start sooner than later because as you said before, hardly any games even offer crossplay now. We also still have some who want to blame Epic. This way it's cut and dry, a new STANDARD if you will.
The STANDARD should not be up to Sony. The actual STANDARD should be it's open to anyone who wants to be part of it. What should not be accepted under any STANDARD is dictating the terms when you're not even the one making the game. Just because it has been past practice doesn't make it right.
Your resentment for Sony seems to be at an all time high, and that's cool, but that has nothing to do with this. Plus, how or why do you expect every Fortnite PS4 owner to give a shit about the Switch? My kid just asked me if she can trade in her Switch for $50 psn card, lol. Let's kill the hypotheticals for a bit.
This isn't about every Fortnite PS4 player, this is about anyone who may have played Fortnite on the PS4 that wants to play on Switch or Xbox One. So it's not just about PS4 players, it could also impact Mobile and PC players who may have played it on the PS4 that now want to play on Switch or Xbox One. Spending money on that Fortnite account also has everything to do with this so I don't know how you don't think it is. You buy content and Sony blocks you from using that account to migrate to Switch or Xbox One, even if you bought that content on Mobile or the PC. It doesn't have to be purchased on the PS4, just connected to PSN at least once.
$50 PSN card for a Switch? You taught her well on how to invest wisely.
Using my awesome 'back of a napkin' math here;
40mill active users a month
$300mil a month for the last few months
Add/subtract Smurf/Burner accounts - add in whales to offset non-spenders. Over the life of the game.
Not out of the realm of impossibility.
Also, anecdotal, while not quite at the $80 mark, my nephew had invested quite a bit.
And that's fine. However, let it be Xbox+Switch+PC+Mobile and PS4+PC+Mobile and the market will dictate which one the people truly want. Developers at the end of the day aren't losing when both pools will still be large. Let's just hope that cross-progression is something they make clear with Sony moving forward so it's very well stated before the games ships and gamers know exactly which system they should buy it on.
If they are going to have that moving forward, then it doesn't hurt to make sure it is stated "Cross-Progression between Xbox+Switch+PC+Mobile" and "PS4+PC+Mobile"
That isn't taking away, but it's very loud for people to now decide what they feel is better moving forward. That's how you force a hand.
I know what average means. I still don't buy that 70% of players have bought something nor that the whales have bought so much that it comes to that average. I believe the poll reflects those stats but doesn't paint an accurate picture as a whole.
Da fuq? Nothing to do with this? They stole my nephews account. An account he wants to use in his Switch. It has items that he bought from money I gave him. Money that he earned from me. Money that was not invested in Sony to begin with.
Yes. I am on a bit of a campaign with the account locking because frankly, Sony stole from me.
So yes, I resent Sony right now.
It's still business related if someone has spent hundreds of hours playing Fortnite on ps4. In some cases spending lots of money, Well sony wants that to continue. They want people to buy stuff on ps4 and not Switch or Xbox. The likelihood of someone with Lots of hours and money spent on ps4 completely dropping that account is slim to none.
I don't agree, the standard from every publisher who wants crossplay should be open for all, not one party telling them how it's going to go down. Sony should not have that luxury to dictate what standard should be set from now on. As a developer if I want my game to be crossplay then I should be able to make my game crossplay. If Sony doesn't want to then they can explain to PC and Mobile users why that old standard is no longer in place. What's done is done but moving forward there should be a new standard with no discrimination.
That's how you get Sony to change because they aren't going to if publishers continue to coddle them out of fear of lost sales. This way there is no lost sales, just isolation in the crossplay and that isolation will only happen if Sony decides they think that is what's best for them. It's their choice now, no more dodging. After all we kept hearing from so many defenders Sony doesn't need Switch or Xbox One players and we also kept hearing how hardly anyone uses or cares about crossplay.
Have you seen how much Fortnite makes each month? Let's just say we agree to disagree.
Yet they don't mind if they spend it on Mobile or PC. This all seems rather petty coming from Sony. They went from the good guys early on this generation to we must win at all costs.
It's more like the big(HUGE) whales are jacking the average way up. I would say it's probable that at least half of the users haven't paid a cent, another 30-35% in the $5-20 range and then there's like 10-15% that has gone absolutely nuts spending money on skins and dances. My math is obviously not to be taking as fact but I would be surprised if it didn't look something like this.
I'm not sure this is a downside, because Sony being pressured into making their online free again is only a benefit to consumers.
Also, Microsoft momentarily attempted to charge for Gold on PC way back when Shadowrun released, but it went over like a brick and MP on PC even on Live has been free since ~2008.
I'm currently doing that now, she asked cause I won't allow her to put more money on her Fortnite account...
First off, my kid is good and you need not worry about her, but your own. She got a scholarship to an nba basketball camp, gets straight A's and helps feed the homeless.
Second, he posted a contradicting link where it says 70% of Fortnite players averages 80$+ in spending (which I doubt) then proceeds to say resentment of Sony still grows.... how if if the average player is spending so much money on the game!?
I'm well aware of with this thread is about, and I said every PS4 owner in response to his blanket statement where he seems to believe that all Fortnite players gives a fuck about the Switch. Point.
All y'all are doing is keep echoing the same shit over and over again. I know what the fucking problem is, but don't think you can just post whatever and spin the way you want, lol. "Average players spend $80", "it'll be hard to leave for Switch", "Sony resentment grows".. foh..
And that's fine as you should be, but don't shovel shit in here and try to call it gravy, fam.
It don't work like that. If you have official numbers, then cool, what you posted was a Sample of 1000 people who took the poll where no platforms were mentioned.
So yea, don't know how this correlate to the account block.
PUBG has 50 million users, so fortnite has got to be 100 million plus, let's say 100 million. Average spend $80? that means fortnite made 8 billion, yeah I don't think so
So yea, don't know how this correlate to the account block.
I don't care how many scholarships she has or how many millions you have in the bank but anyone with any common sense would know that people buy things on Fortnite. Are you with me so far? Well those items you bought are correlated to the account block because those items cannot carry with you or your account if you played on the PS4 and now want to take that Fortnite account and play on Switch or Xbox One. Do you fully grasp what it is we are talking about? So it is extremely disingenuous to ignore people spent money on Fortnite and be so callous about it.
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- about 40% of Switch owners are PS4 owners.
- More SW's are being sold daily. More kids getting it for their Birthdays
- The poll was to indicate people are investing (heavily) in these "free" accounts
- As more time passes, more Battlepass bought, more skins bought.
- Finding out you can use this account on SW because you had the sheer fucking gall to link it to PSN because of some apparent BS archaic Sony policy
- Resentment will only grow as this continues and people forced to make new accounts - as per the Epic error message.
So if you can't draw the lines to think all the #FuckSony and all the other angry people on twitter isn't because of resentment [over the account lock], then I don't know. Perhaps they are just doing it for the lulz.
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PUBG has 50 million PC/Xbox sales. It has 400 million users. 87 million unique players every day and 200 million a month. It's a behemoth! Has over three times the lifetime users that Fortnite has. It has twice as many people play it monthly than Fortnite has lifetime users.
Fortnite announced 125 million users last week. PUBG announced 400 million a few days later.
On June 5, 2018 an earnings call from publishingw giant Tencent also gave us an update on Fortnite's monthly active user base, saying there were over 40 million players logging into play every month.
The research firms estimates Fortnite made $318 million across all platforms in May, up 7% compared to April. But the firm also noted growth is slowing.
Yes I have. Fortnite has 125 million users. 70% of that is 87.5 million users have bought something. At that average spending, that's like $7.7 billion in revenue. In May they announced a new high of $318 million in revenue. At May's revenue, the game would have to have been out for two years. There's no way the numbers add up.
125mil accounts ~ 40mil active. Source in link I posted before.
Pot calling the kettle black buddy. You've been all over this thread defending and chiding anyone that thinks holding accounts hostage by Sony is a bad thing. You want to call people out for their bias you should first take a look in a mirror, or better yet your own post history.
The article said 70% of people who played not 70% of the current month active players. I'm arguing against the number of people who have played it.
"Breaking news!" "People spend money on Fortnite!" Obviously if people are upset that they can't take their accounts to other platforms.
There were no mention of platforms in the article. The article was based on 1000 people which 37% were from new players. Fortnite is 125 million strong and in no way is that sample size representative of actual spending in Fortnite or even a breakdown of persons per platform. Stop believing everything on the internet, lol. You have no idea how many people are being affected by this account lock. So again, please tell me what that particular article has to do with this other than the confirmation that people spends money on this game, don't worry I'll wait.
You don't have to care. She wanted to trade the Switch cause it's worthless to her. Ain't touched it in months. (I still said hell no)
Wow. Glad to see this thread is still moving after people who were defending Sony on this issue said it was going to drop off the planet 70 pages ago.
Also glad to see all the followup stories about crossplay posted as a result just as i predicted. It's just going to get worse and worse for them.
Keeping the pressure on is valid.
Also glad to see all the followup stories about crossplay posted as a result just as i predicted. It's just going to get worse and worse for them.
Keeping the pressure on is valid.
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You should've lead with that, lol.
Don't know where you got the Switch numbers for birthday gifts but whatevs..
40% of the 17 million is around 7 million owners that also have PS4s. The last Fortnite Switch numbers were 2 million (?) and growing (per Reggie right? Around the peak).
So, yea.. still missing some numbers. But there is still the question of how many of those Fortnite Switch owners actually had psn accounts to crossover. I feel what you are saying, no doubt. But you just ant post anything as facts. Alls I'm saying..
I love the PlayStation brand. But I never once said that the account lock thing was anything other than fucked up. I don't need to look in the mirror, my profile is open to anyone that wants a look. If you had, you'd seen me just post in an Xbox thread where Forza 3 might be in gamepass soon and how it would get me to resub. I'm literally playing on my Xbox right now as I type this. I'm a fanboy of games in general as I prefer it to other mediums.
I like to shake stuff up. Contest people and their theories to see if they can back their claims up. If I get out of line I'll rightfully apologize without questions and don't have problems taking an L. I hate one sided arguments, so if thats all you want to see is people shit on one another, then scream " Sony account block" as a defense then maybe you should look in the mirror, bud.