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Gibordep

Member
Nov 1, 2017
1,282
Worth it for the main campaign. Then ditch it.

For me the game worth for all other things. The Campaign for me, in the first char is a entertaining requisite to reach the real game, for the second and third char is just boring.. I wish the second and third char could skip the campaign.
This game is good to play with friends, Raid, etc.
 

Mars

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,988
No, it did not became very good, its not in a very good place, its the same turd as always, same enemies, same "fight while my ghost scans shit" missions, same crappy weapons and stupid pvp.
Jesus christ, no wonder why Bungie keeps pulling the same shit.

It's crazy... Folks that I know who aren't really big gamers but invested a lot of time in D1, dropped D2 without hesitation -- and have zero plans on returning.

I would really love to know how Bungie dropped the ball on this one.
 

Lord Brady

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
8,392
Repetitive missions, stupid grind with worthless loot (ships and fucking emblems), stupid things like raid only mods (and other nonsensical crap), SAME enemies from D1, with same stupid ai, boring weapons (but hey, lets grind for that exotic masterwork that changes absolutely nothing), the "great" pvp, non exisiting endgame,and many, many more.
But you know what, im shitposting, because thats the only possibility when someone is dissapointed with Bungie and Destiny.
Now you've caught on to what he does!

But really all anyone needs to know about the current state of Bungo as a development team is they released a new game mode that requires more players than you can matchmake for. Whoops!
 

ZeoVGM

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
76,219
Providence, RI
- Weapon handling is still ass. Scoping in, swapping weapons, shooting after a jump, reloading, it's all extremely clunky. Considering "gun feel" was one of D1's highlights it's amazing they decided to shit on it. This is imo the main reason why the game feels so much worse.

This is not a complaint I have heard almost ever. I don't agree with it at all.

- Time to kill is still, on average, too high. PvE (specially in Heroic Strikes because of modifiers like Iron) feels like a slog where you slowly plink away at enemies with primaries to slowly chip health away. It's even worse post-Warmind since they made "Match Game lite" standard across the board.

I ignore the playlist when Iron is available but other than that, I'm not seeing this. Are you still a lower Power level? I'm like 370 now and Heroic Strikes are absolutely not a "slog where you slowly plink away" anymore.

- The game still feels like an inventory management challenge more than a shooter, with far many more mods and shaders than you can actually store and no way to quickly get rid of them

This is minor and is not much of an issue anymore. Since Warmind, you could delete any weapon, armor piece, Ghost, Sparrow, ship and it will appear in the Collections in September.

It is a problem that you can only hold 50 mods and 50 shaders -- but a minor problem. Shaders are rarely an issue for me as I delete a ton of legendary ones I know I'm not going to use. Mods are the only one of the two that can actually be an issue as it requires moving some mods back and forth from the vault. It's a pain. Not game-breaking, however.

- Difficulty vs reward is still completely borked. A Prestige NF is easier than a regular NF,

This is straight up factually incorrect. What in the world are you talking about? If you have the Challenge Card, there is absolutely no reason why Prestige should be easier than the regular. Nightfall.

which is easier than a Heroic Strike.

This is true.

They still haven't reverted on the rest of their bad calls (double primaries, 4v4-only PvP, static rolls with a huge pool of terrible perks, etc).

We're still waiting on the weapon slot issue and random rolls, yes. They're coming late August/early September. For the record, I enjoy double primaries. The issue is that it hurt the loadouts in other ways, such as making shotguns and snipers useless. They seem to have found a great solution to this, however.

Also, Control, Clash and Supremacy are all permanently being changed to 6v6 in two weeks.
 

Fedeuy

The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
902
It's crazy... Folks that I know who aren't really big gamers but invested a lot of time in D1, dropped D2 without hesitation -- and have zero plans on returning.

I would really love to know how Bungie dropped the ball on this one.
The saddest part its that i would love for the game to be good.
 

-PXG-

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
6,186
NJ
Destiny threads...There's always drama.

It's crazy... Folks that I know who aren't really big gamers but invested a lot of time in D1, dropped D2 without hesitation -- and have zero plans on returning.

I would really love to know how Bungie dropped the ball on this one.

Easy: The game was too heavily geared towards casual and low investment players. Features and mechanics were watered down to make the game simpler and more accessible, but that ultimately ruined the game and long term incentives for many players.

They've made several improvements to the game over the last year. More are coming next month, and Forsaken, the next major expansion, coming September 4th, is looking to bring almost everything that is missing and everything we want in the game.
 

Lord Brady

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
8,392
The saddest part its that i would love for the game to be good.
Me too. I'd love for the gear awarded in the new lair to not be a reskin of the gear that dropped in the last lair. I'd love to not have spent the past year hoping Bungie would bring D2 up to the standard set by D1, but we're still nowhere near that, and it remains to be seen if Forsaken will at the very least get us back D1 levels.
 

Gatti-man

Banned
Jan 31, 2018
2,359
Thus only giving 2 days. If they gave people longer, they'd also find out that the endgame sucks (yes, still). Crucible is still as awful as its ever been. The lack of matchmaking is still as awful as its ever been. The weapon load out system is still terrible. Tess is still awful. etc etc
Tess isn't awful at all. Just playing the game gives you everything Tess has to offer besides a absolutely few minor things
 

tyfon

Member
Nov 2, 2017
3,680
Norway
Is it possible to play this single player?
I've seen a lot of writing about it but I don't really like FPS nor multiplayer games.
But for the price of free I'll have a look probably :)
 

Fedeuy

The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
902
Is it possible to play this single player?
I've seen a lot of writing about it but I don't really like FPS nor multiplayer games.
But for the price of free I'll have a look probably :)
You can absolutely play the campaign by yourself, and do patrols and lost sectors.
 

Mars

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,988
Destiny threads...There's always drama.



Easy: The game was too heavily geared towards casual and low investment players. Features and mechanics were watered down to make the game simpler and more accessible, but that ultimately ruined the game and long term incentives for many players.

They've made several improvements to the game over the last year. More are coming next month, and Forsaken, the next major expansion, coming September 4th, is looking to bring almost everything that is missing and everything we want in the game.

Thanks for the info, sounds almost like the reasons I didn't care for D1 initially. I jumped on board after the release of The Taken King expansion and had a sublime experience.

Looks like this might be the case with D2 and the upcoming DLC.
 

Lord Brady

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
8,392
Tess isn't awful at all. Just playing the game gives you everything Tess has to offer besides a absolutely few minor things
Any in-game reward system that requires RNG is lame. Compounded moreso by the fact that if you pay real money, you're still subjected to the same RNG mechanics. If everything was for sale directly without RNG and then the free drops utilized RNG, I'd be more cool with that. But the way they designed Tess was to monetize shit like shaders. Remember when they said they changed shaders to encourage us to play specific game modes more than once? Well then why are so many shaders only obtainable via RNG at Tess' shithole of a store?
 

Quample

Member
Dec 23, 2017
3,231
Cincinnati, OH
Destiny threads...There's always drama.



Easy: The game was too heavily geared towards casual and low investment players. Features and mechanics were watered down to make the game simpler and more accessible, but that ultimately ruined the game and long term incentives for many players.

They've made several improvements to the game over the last year. More are coming next month, and Forsaken, the next major expansion, coming September 4th, is looking to bring almost everything that is missing and everything we want in the game.

Pretty much this, only I think you can make a game that is both casual and deep, and it seemed like Destiny was sort of getting there toward the end...then Destiny 2 went the opposite way it should have. What it should have done is kept all it's systems in place and just added more...more types types of loot, a more complex skill/progression system, etc. When I heard they weren't doing random rolls on weapons I knew the game was turning into something that I didn't want to play.

For Destiny 3 I need to fight the urge to buy the game right away and just wait a year or two like I should have done for 1 and 2. They eventually fix a lot of shit, but it's not worth keeping up and buying all the dlc.
 

Trim

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
535
No need to waste time if you don't plan to buy all the DLCs.

And don't forget: there's another Season Pass coming AFTER the September DLC.

Nobody deserves to fall for this.
 

Orb

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
9,465
USA
I think Destiny 2 is better than D1 in almost every single way, and by the looks of it Forsaken is going to make it actually better in every way. It's crazy to think that I got banned from the old forum for ranting about how bad vanilla Destiny was to now where Destiny 2 is a game I own on two platforms complete with all DLC and have put many dozens of hours into.

It's not a perfect game but they've made so much progress over the last four years and I'm baffled by people who talk about wanting to go back to D1.
 

Lord Brady

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
8,392
I think Destiny 2 is better than D1 in almost every single way, and by the looks of it Forsaken is going to make it actually better in every way.
If that were actually true, they wouldn't have been trying desperately the past 9 months to convince their player base that they were working as quickly as possible to return the game back to where D1 once was.
 

Ocean

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,692
This is not a complaint I have heard almost ever. I don't agree with it at all.
Wait you don't agree? This is objective. Weapon handling in Destiny 2 is significantly slower and clunkier than it was in D1.

Take a look at this video and how quickly after Shadestepping/jumping you could get a shot off. Or how quickly you could swap guns. Note this isn't even on a QuickDraw Bladedancer or an Ophidian Warlock:



The game doesn't play like that anymore. The pace of the game isn't just sprint speed and TTK. Things like how quickly you can actually start shooting after stowing a weapon make an enormous difference and it's so much clunkier on D2 that from the very beginning it's felt like a major bug. I gave it a pass in the beta thinking it was down to our Green loot sucking but it never got better and still hasn't.

I ignore the playlist when Iron is available but other than that, I'm not seeing this. Are you still a lower Power level? I'm like 370 now and Heroic Strikes are absolutely not a "slog where you slowly plink away" anymore.
I'm 385 across the board. But killing a yellow bar with primaries is just absolutely terrible, and now that killing them doesn't guarantee Power ammo gets returned you'll often find yourself slowly chipping away with a scout. This is more down to double primaries than it is down to damage balancing but the point stands - the pace of killing and moving on is slower.

This is minor and is not much of an issue anymore. Since Warmind, you could delete any weapon, armor piece, Ghost, Sparrow, ship and it will appear in the Collections in September.
Yeah but they still haven't detailed what it'll take to get things back they still haven't given me a way to get rid of shaders quickly.

It is a problem that you can only hold 50 mods and 50 shaders -- but a minor problem. Shaders are rarely an issue for me as I delete a ton of legendary ones I know I'm not going to use. Mods are the only one of the two that can actually be an issue as it requires moving some mods back and forth from the vault. It's a pain. Not game-breaking, however.
Well it's not game breaking (what is?) but it's certainly annoying and it detracts from my experience to a point where I literally don't even turn in mats to the gunsmith just so I don't have to deal with the inventory.

This is straight up factually incorrect. What in the world are you talking about? If you have the Challenge Card, there is absolutely no reason why Prestige should be easier than the regular. Nightfall.
You *can* make PNFs harder, but it's insane that you can make them *easier* while it still is a "prestige" endgame activity. Add a singe enemies in that particular strike don't use + Heavyweight and it's smooth sailing. Since Warmind I don't even run regular NFs anymore since Prestige is so much faster and easier. Check the LFG posts on discord and you'll see I'm not alone here.

We're still waiting on the weapon slot issue and random rolls, yes. They're coming late August/early September. For the record, I enjoy double primaries. The issue is that it hurt the loadouts in other ways, such as making shotguns and snipers useless. They seem to have found a great solution to this, however.

Also, Control, Clash and Supremacy are all permanently being changed to 6v6 in two weeks.
...which is why I said it isn't really where it should be yet but hopefully will be. It's telling that all of these major "improvements" are just them backing down on D2 and going back to D1:

- Go Fast
- Buff Exotics into relevance
- 6v6 Crucible (pending)
- Full lodouts instead of double primaries (pending)
- Random rolls for a shot at decent loot (pending)
- Reworked mod system (roundabout solution which will functionally be similar to armor with actual perks in D1) - pending
 
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Orb

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
9,465
USA
If that were actually true, they wouldn't have been trying desperately the past 9 months to convince their player base that they were working as quickly as possible to return the game back to where D1 once was.
Just a difference of opinion, I guess. I like D2 so much that I went back and finally played D1 with all the expansions just last week to see how things had progressed since vanilla. Even with all the updates that game still feels like a mess to me compared to D2.

I can see both sides of the random loot rolls thing. Ultimately I think they are right to go back to it, and I'm glad it will be here in just a few months. I also hope they add machine guns back in.
 

daveo42

Member
Oct 25, 2017
17,251
Ohio
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ZeoVGM

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
76,219
Providence, RI
Wait you don't agree? This is objective. Weapon handling in Destiny 2 is significantly slower and clunkier than it was in D1.

Take a look at this video and how quickly after Shadestepping/jumping you could get a shot off. Or how quickly you could swap guns. Note this isn't even on a QuickDraw Bladedancer or an Ophidian Warlock:



I didn't say it's the same as D1. But I disagree that it is "clunky ass." I think it feels quite good overall. Could use some tweaks, not a dealbreaker.

I'm 385 across the board. But killing a yellow bar with primaries is just absolutely terrible

I simply don't understand this. It isn't what happens when I play Heroic Strikes. I'm not sure what to tell you.

Yeah but they still haven't detailed what it'll take to get things back they still haven't given me a way to get rid of shaders quickly.

It will take glimmer and/or shards.

Well it's not game breaking (what is?) but it's certainly annoying and it detracts from my experience to a point where if there were playlists where I literally don't even turn in mats to the gunsmith just so I don't have to deal with the inventory.

It's definitely a pain for mods, I agree. I don't understand why there aren't enough slots for the majority of mods that you can get.

You *can* make PNFs harder, but it's insane that you can make them *easier* while it still is a "prestige" endgame activity.

This isn't fair and it's not what you said. If someone wants to make it easier, how does that impact you? It's not like they get anything from it so they don't have an advantage over you. They have a smaller chance at Strike-exclusive loot, they can't hit anything close to max score. You have some legitimate complaints. That's not one of them.
 

impact

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
5,380
Tampa
Worth it to check out some nice HDR if you've got a good TV

Game is dreadful though. I don't think I've ever played a more boring game.
 

Euler007

Member
Jan 10, 2018
5,045
This reminds me I've yet to play Warmind. Only played 3 hours since Osiris dropped, I just can't see a situation where I don't have a better game to play with my limited playtime. Shouldn't have bought the deluxe edition with seasons pass.
 

Quample

Member
Dec 23, 2017
3,231
Cincinnati, OH
Wow, Era realy hates Destiny...

It's because it's Bungie, the guys who led the pack with the most feature rich and best console fps campaigns/multiplayer in the biz.

Loot games are a different beast, no doubt. But the way Bungie has handled this release...well, it's been a strange ride. You can just feel the cognitive dissonance of Bungie's collective unconscious while playing the game. A lot of heart and talent constrained by ego and financial pressure.
 

Bakercat

Member
Oct 27, 2017
10,154
'merica
Even if I started downloading it now, by the time I'd finished downloading the free weekend would be over. Don't be so late next time, Sony

With my internet this is probably true for myself. I missed a day and half for one of the Elder Scrolls Online free weekends cause it took so long to download. Of course, these companies expect everyone to have the ability to stream video games perfectly, so I don't expect any better from them.
 

Lord Brady

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
8,392
They should have a free weekend for Xbox and PC players who paid the same amount for all the content as PS4 players to play the exclusive PS4 content. 2 of the best 3 or 4 strikes are ones you guys have never played.
 

kayos90

Community Resettler
Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,703
Please stop quoting me with your shitposts.

I'm recommending people check out this game for free this weekend that I like a lot in its current state.

Really sorry you take offense with that.

Go read some of the responses. They are dissenting opinions but hardly shitposts. If they are shitposts to you then I would evaluate what would qualify as that and gauge the quality of your own posts since you're doing the very thing that you're assuming your quoters are doing but worse.
 

Lost

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
3,108
Can't even play Strikes in the Trial.

Useless.

I was going to try it, but nah.

And the tower is locked? Out.
 

Gatti-man

Banned
Jan 31, 2018
2,359
Any in-game reward system that requires RNG is lame. Compounded moreso by the fact that if you pay real money, you're still subjected to the same RNG mechanics. If everything was for sale directly without RNG and then the free drops utilized RNG, I'd be more cool with that. But the way they designed Tess was to monetize shit like shaders. Remember when they said they changed shaders to encourage us to play specific game modes more than once? Well then why are so many shaders only obtainable via RNG at Tess' shithole of a store?
The matrix makes that a non issue. I get a free 3-4 rolls per week casually playing the game. I've got pretty much everything she has by not even trying.

RNG by itself isn't bad only when abused is RNG bad. The matrix and amount of drops makes the RNG of Tess fine by me. Far superior to many other games like overwatch honestly.
 

MrNewVegas

Member
Oct 27, 2017
10,727
I don't get the hate for this game.

Picked it up for $20CAD. I've played a few hours so far and it's been enjoyable at that price. Shooting is great. Can't wait to get to PvP stuff.

It's way better then the Divison lol.
 

TheYanger

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
10,153
I don't get the hate for this game.

Picked it up for $20CAD. I've played a few hours so far and it's been enjoyable at that price. Shooting is great. Can't wait to get to PvP stuff.

It's way better then the Divison lol.

And then you end with that hot take? smfh

Game is miles worse than The Division, a game that launched with similar issues to D2, but actually fixed them within a few months (without then asking season pass holders to buy ANOTHER season pass to get the 'fixed' version of the game).
 

klier

Banned
Oct 29, 2017
937
Sorry if this has been answered, but is it free for the weekend only or free forever if you download this weekend?
 

MrNewVegas

Member
Oct 27, 2017
10,727
And then you end with that hot take? smfh

Game is miles worse than The Division, a game that launched with similar issues to D2, but actually fixed them within a few months (without then asking season pass holders to buy ANOTHER season pass to get the 'fixed' version of the game).
Ive only played Division vanilla. It had the worst bullet sponge shooting mechanics I've ever had in a game.

I don't need to beat Destiny 2 to know that the combat in D2 is far superior.
 

TheYanger

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
10,153
Ive only played Division vanilla. It had the worst bullet sponge shooting mechanics I've ever had in a game.

I don't need to beat Destiny 2 to know that the combat in D2 is far superior.
The Division is an RPG. Destiny has plenty of bullet sponges too, PLENTY. You definitely have no fucking idea what you're talking about.

Sorry if this has been answered, but is it free for the weekend only or free forever if you download this weekend?

Free to play for the weekend.
 

MrNewVegas

Member
Oct 27, 2017
10,727
The Division is an RPG. Destiny has plenty of bullet sponges too, PLENTY. You definitely have no fucking idea what you're talking about.



Free to play for the weekend.
Aren't you just the friendliest. Wish I was in the know like you my man.

These are my feeling from playing the game. I'm sorry my few hours in a game don't give me the ability to make judgements. How many hours do you need to turn into an entitled asshole? Over 100?
 

TheYanger

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
10,153
Aren't you just the friendliest. Wish I was in the know like you my man.

These are my feeling from playing the game. I'm sorry my few hours in a game don't give me the ability to make judgements. How many hours do you need to turn into an entitled asshole? Over 100?

Sorry you're mad? You're acting like an expert on these things when you basically haven't played one of these games in ages, and have played a 'couple hours' of the other. You're simply not qualified to speak on any of the stuff you're saying. TTK is not very different between the two games. like, not at all. Bullet sponges in The Division endgame at launch are not the endgame now, and Destiny TTK for comparable activities, is comparable. It's that simple. You haven't tried pvp, you haven't tried any strikes or whatever, so why are you acting pissy when I tell you that you're incorrect in your assumptions about how the game plays?
 

RevenantAxe

Banned
Apr 16, 2018
1,274
Only ps? I won't support them till they ditch this exclusivity nonsense and give my Xbox Bros proper equal treatment.


Free weekened only for PS. Disgusting.
 

Gatti-man

Banned
Jan 31, 2018
2,359
And then you end with that hot take? smfh

Game is miles worse than The Division, a game that launched with similar issues to D2, but actually fixed them within a few months (without then asking season pass holders to buy ANOTHER season pass to get the 'fixed' version of the game).
Division might be fixed now but it was far worse and still is super bland.
 

TheYanger

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
10,153
Division might be fixed now but it was far worse and still is super bland.
Division was never worse than Destiny 2 was, it had almost the exact same problems at launch, and they both had one redeeming activity (Dark zone for Div, raids for Destiny) that got stale after about a month. Difference? The Division season pass had release dates pushed BACK so they could fix the issues, and then they fixed them, the season pass content then came out and was actually great and ADDED to the game. Destiny just kept pumping out trash content while saying "Hey we'll fix it" and then wants to charge you 40 dollars with another pass on top of it to fix it.

If you don't like realistic shooters, sure Division might be 'bland' to you, that's just the setting and you can take it or leave it (I'm with you, I prefer sci fi), but the GAME is far better, and always was.