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I find that to be a hair-splitting distinction rather than a meaningful one. But even if we agreed on that, well: Gavin McInnes has defended Holocaust deniers, supports the Muslim ban, and pushed white genocide conspiracy theories, as well as saying, "I don't want our culture diluted. We need to close the borders now and let everyone assimilate to a Western, English-speaking way of life.". Cernovich has peddled anti-Semitism. Laura Southern is openly racist, supports white supremacist groups and worked to prevent ships of migrants and refugees from landing in Europe, and she's apparently currently working on a "documentary" pushing white genocide conspiracy theories. And Milo has openly pushed nazi rhetoric over and over and over again.

So, no, going by that list, the distinction is trite and meaningless.

Oh, it's absolutely a hair-splitting one, but I've been attacked by enough alt-righters to know what's non-negotiable with them and a lot of that is beliefs these people have. Gavin goes back and forth on this from what I've seen and I'm not sure if he's a poorly-veiled crypto alt-right or just genuinely stupid and unable to express his beliefs well (or both), so I won't argue much on that one, but at the very least his support of Israel and gay rights makes it hard to call him a deep alt-right. Cernovich is a "dirty race-mixer" to the alt-right, and with miscegenation being one of those non-negotiable things, I wouldn't categorize him as one even though literally everything else about him fits. Southern is basically a female PJW that actually leaves her house from time to time, but the rejection of white nationalism makes it hard for her to be straight up alt-right as well (also the alt-right thinks she's Jewish). Milo I've gone back and forth on, so I won't harp on it as literally the only thing holding him back from it is being a gay Jew (as self-hating as he is).

I made a sort of tier list in the Leftist YT thread a while back, but it probably needs editing at this point.
 

36 Chambers

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Oct 27, 2017
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I love Rogans podcast. His guests are always so diverse and Interesting.

Not seeing how he's automatically alt right because of who he has dinner with though. Guilty by association is a thing around here now?

This all or nothing attitude is downright hypocrytical for such an open and diverse forum.
 

Calderc

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Listen to the last half hour of his podcast with Duncan Trussell last week and tell me again he's alt-right with a straight face.
 

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Some of the stuff this dude gets into floors me. I was a huge fan of his because his stance on gay marriage was just amazing for somehow so engrained in such a " Bro" culture. I don't think he's alt right, I just think he legit feels he's just so " beyond " the rest of us he that he just takes everyone as they are or at least tries to pretend he does
 

UF_C

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Oct 25, 2017
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I honestly didn't know this until I started following him on Instagram. Not sure I've turned on someone so quickly.
 

BossAttack

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Oct 27, 2017
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I love Rogans podcast. His guests are always so diverse and Interesting.

Not seeing how he's automatically alt right because of who he has dinner with though. Guilty by association is a thing around here now?

This all or nothing attitude is downright hypocrytical for such an open and diverse forum.

Yes, super "diverse." Tell me all the liberal thinkers and intellectuals he has on his show?

Has anyone seen that clip of him saying watching planet of the apes in a black theater was like he was in planet of the apes/some part of africa?

Jamie. Pull up that clip...

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Trike

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Ravensmash

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Alt-right used to be a strong label. Overuse has lost it much of it's impact unfortunately.

This is my thinking.

At this stage, I'm not even sure what people labelled that are supposed to believe.

On the one hand you've got people calling for ethnostates and straight up white nationalists, and then they get lumped in with people who steer somewhat more conservative/right.

Or heck, even centrists.
 

Deleted member 3542

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The fact there's a monthly Joe Rogan thread on this forum and people debate it shows he puts enough vibes out there for "where there's smoke there's fire" analogy. Whether he falls in line with being alt-right or not, giving a platform to a lot of those people says enough for me. He can hide behind the "just curious" line for only so long. You constantly associate with shitheads, you're a shithead. Simple as that.

Sometimes a platform is a good place for these folks. So you can burn them on it publically.

Only person that can burn them on the platform is the person giving them the platform to begin with and Rogan doesn't care enough to do that because reasons. Otherwise it's just putting their voices out there in the ether for others to hear, unfiltered and not being held accountable because Rogan is too much of a dumb fuck with juuuust enough thoughts in line with his guests to not bother challenging them.
 

Benji

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Jesus Christ Joe Rogan is not Alt-right

Does he lean conservative on some stuff? Yes. He also leans extremely liberal in others.

I'm not saying people need to like or agree with him but he sure as hell isn't an alt-right
 

Vautrin

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Oct 27, 2017
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You guys know that alt right espouses white supremacy right?

If you think JR is an alt right white nationalist you are straight up ignorant. He does align himself with them regarding free speech. He is however very much against hate speech. Stop trying to put ppl in categories to give you the green light on the dog piling, it is quite ugly
 

ZeoVGM

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You guys know that alt right espouses white supremacy right?

If you think JR is alt right you are straight up ignorant. He does align himself with them regarding free speech. He is however very much against hate speech. Stop trying to put ppl in categories to give you the green light on the dog piling, it is quite ugly

... So does he align with them regarding "free speech" or not?
 

Arkeband

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I'm pretty sure Rogan's platforming the Dark Professor again this week.

It's a shame because Joe had a really powerful, left-as-fuck monologue during Duncan Trussell's appearance. I guess Ted Nugent killed what was remaining of his brain cells and now he's back to this dark web horseshit.
 

legacyzero

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yes.

but i mean, if you wanna dig for problematic/toxic/anti-PC stuff, everyone i mentioned has some.
So? 1) they're products of their time. 2) you don't get to label somebody as a NAZI because they said something you sound "problematic" lol. Bill Burr certainly rides the line. But Carlin and Hicks? Nah. Also, the left is not immune to punching just because you're on the left. There's plenty of it to be done with taking our eye off the ball.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Joe Rogan not alt right? Next you'll be telling me that the UFC isn't alt right and Dana White absolutely hates Trump for not letting UFC host a PPV at a Trump hotelh during the early days of the organisation.

/s
 

ZeoVGM

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Yeah he sides with Peterson on the gender pronoun shit. It's dumb but it's as far right as he goes. In other words, very moderate... Which can land you in the white nationalist category on this forum.

if you give racists and white nationalists a platform while refusing to truly challenge them, there's an argument to be made that you too are belong in those categories.
 

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Alt right? Nah, dude can be an idiot full of hot takes but he's a commedian first and foremost. Dude should probably not have a platform this big and definitely shouldn't give some of his guests the airtime, but I feel like his own opinions aren't complete trash. Guy has made some serious errors in judgement before, so he tends to hang back and listen rather than challenge people if it's out of his area of expertise. Let's not forget this guy believed the moon landing was fake for a long time.

I like his comedy and MMA pods, but these days I tend to skip the rest.
 

uncelestial

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Yea Joe Rogan is a Nazi Sympathizer. He won't ever accept the label of Nazi, his fans wont allow it either, but he sure as hell loves fraternizing with them outside of a professional situation and doesn't mind giving over his couple million listeners to them when he wants to. He is a Nazi Sympathizer.
Oh man is that really true? I'd love some receipts because that sounds juicy. I've always dislliked him but only on a "he seems kinda douchey" level.
 

ReginaldXIV

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On Joe Rogan's own show he self-identifies as socially liberal and fiscally conservative so I'm not sure why everyone here is dog piling him because he had dinner with a few assholes one day. I enjoy his podcast because it does give a platform to these shitty people and allows them to get it all out without getting shouted down. I'm deeply far-left leaning and appreciate knowing what the other side is thinking, even if what they say is something I disagree with, or deeply disturbing. It reinforces my beliefs, and helps me speak a little better about those subjects with others.

I think it's important to cross the political line sometimes, you're probably never going to change someones mind on something, but you'll leave knowing yourself a little more.
 

Chekhonte

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On Joe Rogan's own show he self-identifies as socially liberal and fiscally conservative so I'm not sure why everyone here is dog piling him because he had dinner with a few assholes one day. I enjoy his podcast because it does give a platform to these shitty people and allows them to get it all out without getting shouted down. I'm deeply far-left leaning and appreciate knowing what the other side is thinking, even if what they say is something I disagree with, or deeply disturbing. It reinforces my beliefs, and helps me speak a little better about those subjects with others.

I think it's important to cross the political line sometimes, you're probably never going to change someones mind on something, but you'll leave knowing yourself a little more.
He's had most if not all of these people on his show. He is normalizing the alt right. You should consider not giving him your time and download.

Using ones celebrity to introduce a broader public to people who court racists and dog whistle their ideology isn't any better.
 

sleepInsom

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On Joe Rogan's own show he self-identifies as socially liberal and fiscally conservative so I'm not sure why everyone here is dog piling him because he had dinner with a few assholes one day. I enjoy his podcast because it does give a platform to these shitty people and allows them to get it all out without getting shouted down. I'm deeply far-left leaning and appreciate knowing what the other side is thinking, even if what they say is something I disagree with, or deeply disturbing. It reinforces my beliefs, and helps me speak a little better about those subjects with others.

I think it's important to cross the political line sometimes, you're probably never going to change someones mind on something, but you'll leave knowing yourself a little more.

Come on now. He didn't just have dinner with these guys. He's had them on his show repeatedly, giving them a platform, and has constantly praised them and their shitty ideas for years to other guests and people.
 

MacReady13

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Oct 27, 2017
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So many folks see him as "Centrist" and hating the "extremes of both sides".

Dude's a fucking alt-right shithead and needs to be called out as such.

Please explain, with examples, how he is an "alt-right shithead"? Lovely to throw this around but examples would be greatly appreciated. I've been listening to him, and ALL the guys in that photo, for a while now, and not only have I NEVER heard them spew alt-right bullshit, i've heard them condemn the alt-right. So please, any examples so I can have my mind changed...
Just because you don't like what they say, doesn't mean they are "alt-right"... I hear alt-right are Nazi's, and yet I see a few Jewish people in that photo as well, plus a homosexual as well... wouldn't go down too well in alt-right circles me thinks.
 

Angry Grimace

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If it makes you feel better/superior to put a label on someone, then go right ahead. Just don't expect everyone else to blindly adhere to it if you don't have anything more than guilt by association.
 

Voyager

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Yeah he sides with Peterson on the gender pronoun shit. It's dumb but it's as far right as he goes. In other words, very moderate... Which can land you in the white nationalist category on this forum.

Rogan is definitely not a white nationalist. However, the dude has went off the deepend with the Hillary Clinton conspiracies. He flat out ignores most of Trumps shady dealings. Don't know if it's ignorance, due to his consumption of right wing propaganda, or he just doesn't care. It makes for an infuriating listen. Especially when he provides a platform for the Ted Nugents of the world with next to no push back. He says he has "lefties" on, like Judd Appitow (lol) and calls it even. Yeah Joe, comedians are the same as providing platforms for Ben Shaperio, Steven Crowder, Milo, Peter Shiff, etc. I'm sorry but if the shoe fits...

I guess what I'm saying is: He deserves the reputation he's getting as an alt-right asshole when he provides a platform for an audience of millions to ingest the shit alt-right assholes spew with zero push back. Either he's really ignorant (100% possible) or he aligns with a lot of their views. Given the shit I heard from him during the election, I think they're his views. Though I'm personally more inclined to call him a Republican but I understand why people could associate him with the alt-right.
 

Skelepuzzle

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What? There is a political part that fills this niche in every country that isn't a partisan shithole.

Sorry, I meant in the US, where he lives. Here it means "tax cuts for the wealthy while cracking down on welfare queens." It is the go to default for people who don't know what the fuck they're talking about here.
 

signal

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Oct 28, 2017
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Can the internet come up with a better term than alt-right for people who seemingly vote democrat or at least do not vote republican.
 

RandomHopeInc

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Jan 4, 2018
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This reminds me of people screaming that Philip Defranco is alt-right, when he just happens to be a person dedicated to getting facts straight and let his audience explain their point of view. They are people trying to build mutual understanding, it makes no sense to judge a Garbage man on his smell. Its his job, it's what he does. Get you own job.
 

Goat Mimicry

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Oct 25, 2017
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This. Y'all arent doing the "Alt-Right" term any justice by just throwing any old person you goddamn please into its mix. Y'all gotta stop this shit, seriously. You're actually HURTING efforts against the alt-right (which is a bullshit term anyway. Just fucking say NAZI FFS)

You're whining about people watering down a term while advocating that people do the same thing with an older term.

Milo Yiannopoulos doesn't outright advocate for a white ethnostate the way Richard Spencer does, so does that mean he's not a Nazi? Steve Bannon isn't openly doing any Nazi salutes, so does that mean he's not one? Before Trump, many people would have said no and that anyone using the word "Nazi" was watering it down (as many conservatives did during the Obama years).

Even Richard Spencer denies being a Nazi. Using alt-right to describe all of them highlights the huge amount of overlap between various conservative hate groups (both in terms of the figureheads and the supporters) while also making it impossible for people like Spencer to distance themselves from something they admitted to being a part of.
 
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