‘Unsafe and Just Plain Dirty’: Women Accuse Vice of ‘Toxic’ Sexual-Harassment Culture
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Sorry, I shouldn't take shots without backing it up. I know. Let's just say I'm not a fan of the way he's handled a few of the industry's controversies over the years, trying to play both sides of the fence.
If he addresses it at all I'll be the first to apologize.
Why are we interested in Patrick Klepek and Austin Walker's takes?
I'd rather hear Danielle Riendeau and Danika Harrod's thoughts on this.
I'd rather hear Danielle Riendeau and Danika Harrod's thoughts on this.
Why would you think any industry is 'safe'? The whole issue is that the kinds of metrics by which we judge people to be "good" or at least "not a sexual predator" are irrelevant at best.
That's a really mild way to put it, considering the man is factually sexist, transphobic and antisemitic.
He's the proto "anti PC" contrarian who's virtually indistinguishable from an alt-right asshole.
So yeah, I'm sure there was no harassment under such a wonderful person.
Holy shit hahahah. Incredible way to destroy someone's credibility without a hint of sass or snark. I wish I had this talent.
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Yeah. After covering Louis CK, IGN and the old forum,it will be interesting to see how they react. It will be very disappointing if they fall in line with the corporate message, but also kind of understandable since it's their livelihood. But it would sure take away the bite from their rhetoric.
Abiding sex pests and harassers in your own backyard because you get paid by them kind of sabotages their whole identity as a media outlet.
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Agreed. Just didn't want to be insinuating they should either be unemployed or immoral. But it is between a rock and a hard place.
it's the fucked up logic of 'this happens everywhere so it's pointless to take a stand against any specific instance'
Yeah, that's true. It'll be very interesting to see how they react to this.
Regarding WayPoint, I posted a thread in hopes of seeing discussion (I'm currently a member there too):
https://forum.waypoint.vice.com/t/u...vice-of-toxic-sexual-harassment-culture/10975
https://forum.waypoint.vice.com/t/u...vice-of-toxic-sexual-harassment-culture/10975
It's tricky. I think if we stopped watching dubious content because someone was inappropriate or worse then there's literally be fuck all left to consume. There's stories the entire crew on Star Wars took advantage of Carrie Fisher on Star Wars...
Sexual harassment is a society wide problem, it's a human wide issue that will literally affect virtually every company in the world... It's not an easy problem to come up with ways to deal with what do we do as consumers about all this.
Good. I hope this kicks off a new generation with less of this kind of BS behaviour.
If Waypoint lets this slide then I feel like they're hypocrites. But also, VICE's not-so-distant past of hipster edgelord sexism can't have been unknown to the Waypoint crew.
I learned a very long time ago to never trust anybody who moralizes so this is not a surprise for me.
People on Waypoint are discussing it (see my thread above) and so far the talk is very sincere and encouraging.
Well, he is a producer on the HBO series they do, so that's not too surprising.
This is yet another example that shows that in most cases, HR is not there to protect the employees.
It was mentioned in the Waypoint forums thread, but there may be an internal investigation ongoing by Vice right now that would prevent them from speaking until it is finished. They may be able to make some personal statements on twitter or something, but maybe no big articles yet.
I'm sure waypoint would talk about this but legal issues might prevent them from doing so until they are cleared. Yes this does put them in between a rock and hard place because they have been so focal about things like this in the past. I'm interested to see what they will say (if they can say anything legally) about this.
I liked VICE better when they used to post daily content from their reporters abroad and their documentaries, before they went HBO and turned into a variety nightly news show.
No industry?
No woman is safe. Keep in mind this shit happens everywhere, and when i say everywhere i mean it probably happens very close to you too. The women you know, the men you know, the ones you trust, think about them all.
Huh? You're saying nothing I already didn't say in my initial statement. Useless piggyback statement.
I don't think it was a useless statement at all. They are agreeing with you, just saying that additionally women face the horrors of sexual harassment outside of any industry as well, from society and life itself. Sexual harassment is a problem in every industry because it is a problem with our patriarchal society overall.
It is valuable for one industry to have these issues come to the surface and finally be adressed, but it really is kind of playing whackamole until society addresses how we treat women and men when it comes to sexuality, consent, and equality.
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The waypoint members all tweeted this. Seems like legal put the leash on them and they're not speaking up.
Danika posted the tweet in the waypoint forums with this statement:
They... can walk out. They seemed so inspired by IGN's willingness to do so.
Well it sounds like they aren't denying anything and are standing with the victims, so that is a good start. I hope this means that they are going to deal with these harassers and maybe change up the culture that led to this situation.
My feelings as well. I wonder how much they're really up against, legally speaking.
The Vice Union statement definitely seems to indicate they're not making much progress with the company itself. The use of words like "challenged", "worked hard" and "continue to demand" suggest intransigence on the company's part.
I think they should speak out, anonymously if necessary. Go to a legitimate news source if needed to do so.
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Easier to applaud others than do it oneself, I guess. But who knows about the specifics of the situation. We'll see how it develops, but it's not a great look. I'll add the vice union statement to OP.
My thoughts exactly. What the people at IGN did was courageous and commendable but I'm not going to blast anyone for not risking their livelihood in this economy.
Being a part of a union might also limit what they can say (and is a difference between IGN and Waypoint). Generally, you want to work through the union on matters like this as collective action is more powerful (the entire point of forming a union).