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Deleted member 2145

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Trump is president and actual threat now. Not some joke that could never possibly win like in 2016. participation is going to be way up.

then again in a post-2016 america putting forth a candidate like joe biden would be like a "really? really????" kind of thing more so than hillary. it's one thing to underestimate trump prior to him actually winning anything. it's something else entirely to underestimate trump after he has already won the presidency. at one of the most dire times for our country the party signaling that no lessons were learned has the potential to be devastating.
 

samoyed

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I think Biden would be less aggressive with the executive orders than Bernie or Warren should Republicans hold the Senate.

So for this reason alone, I cannot abide a Biden presidency. If any Dem is going to be stonewalled for 4-8 years, then let it be the Dem that's willing to push the limits of executive power.
 

Blue Skies

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Why is this such a common idea this thread, meanwhile he has the best poll numbers against Trump, especially in battleground states?

Because the only reason he's polling high, is BECAUSE he's polling high.
His perceived electability is the cause for his electability argument.

As an actual candidate he's trash.

Watch the debates, go to his website, read up on the man, do all of that without looking at a single poll, and you'll wonder why would we run this guy against trump too.

He's the wrong candidate, and the Hillary loss is the lesson we need to apply to this cycle. We need the exciting candidate. Last time it was Bernie, this time it's any of the following: Bernie, Warren, Pete, Beto, Kamala, Yang.

I like Booker too, but he comes off a bit too peaceful
 

samoyed

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Oct 26, 2017
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Biden is like Bitcoin at $15,000. It's not actually worth $15,000, it's a lot of people thinking they can make a quick buck on it and buying up Bitcoin.
 

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Hold on. Is Bernie really anti war? I'm pretty sure he would intervene in Kosovo or Rwanda if he had to make a decision on that. Being against the military industrial complex isn't the same as being anti-war and I think Bernie is the former not the latter.

And if you agree with my assessment then you have to agree he's not the only candidate. It would be accurate to say he's the only front runner with those qualities.
It's possible he would advocate for intervention in those specific circumstances, but he is clearly against regime change and conflicts to project US global hegemony. He is also against assisting other countries in their bombing runs (hey Saudi Arabia). What other candidate takes a similar stance?
Elizabeth Warren is pro-war now? In what universe?
I didn't say she was 'pro-war' necessarily but she's voted to increase the military budget every time and I'm not sure she would discontinue our armed conflicts. Dismantling the military industrial complex hasn't been one of her stated goals. I like Warren, but I don't see her being much different than, say, Obama when it comes to foreign policy...and Obama was definitely a war president.
 

Steel

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Oct 25, 2017
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I think Biden would be less aggressive with the executive orders than Bernie or Warren should Republicans hold the Senate.

So for this reason alone, I cannot abide a Biden presidency. If any Dem is going to be stonewalled for 4-8 years, then let it be the Dem that's willing to push the limits of executive power.
The limits of executive power are also tied up in the Senate with the supreme court. The only reason half of Trump's EO's have stayed afloat is because, despite failing in lower courts, the supreme court is republican.
 

samoyed

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The limits of executive power are also tied up in the Senate with the supreme court. The only reason half of Trump's EO's have stayed afloat is because, despite failing in lower courts, the supreme court is republican.
Boy I wish I could forget about the Supreme Court. Haven't said "pack the courts!" for a few months now so pack the courts!

Also Biden would probably never pack the courts.
 

Steel

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Oct 25, 2017
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Boy I wish I could forget about the Supreme Court. Haven't said "pack the courts!" for a few months now so pack the courts!

Also Biden would probably never pack the courts.
Neither would Bernie. Has literally said he would never pack the court. His idea is to have rotating justices, which would require a lot more votes to make a reality. On the other hand Warren has specifically said she would nuke the filibuster and pack the courts.
 

samoyed

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Oct 26, 2017
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Neither would Bernie. Has literally said he would never pack the court. His idea is to have rotating justices, which would require a lot more votes to make a reality. On the other hand Warren has specifically said she would nuke the filibuster and pack the courts.
I'm aware, one of my gripes about his stances. It is, I feel, balanced out by some of his other stances regarding spending, worker ownership, foreign policy, etc.
 

mutantmagnet

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It's possible he would advocate for intervention in those specific circumstances, but he is clearly against regime change and conflicts to project US global hegemony. He is also against assisting other countries in their bombing runs (hey Saudi Arabia). What other candidate takes a similar stance?


I know for sure Williamson has this stance. Yang is currently in questionable status.
 

Luminish

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They're certainly not the be-all but they're not nothing, especially with people as well known as Biden and Trump.
I think they're fine as a bit of supporting evidence, but it seems Biden supporters are using it as the singular argument to dismiss all concerns about his electability, and that's an over reliance on these extremely early polls.
 

danm999

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Why is this such a common idea this thread, meanwhile he has the best poll numbers against Trump, especially in battleground states?

Because there's over 12 months until an election and Joe is already running out of stamina

No one does anything of note without taking the Senate. Everyone will do something of note with the Senate. Of course Biden/Bernie both are taking the tact of maintaining the filibuster. To be fair enough dems have pledged to keep the filibuster (something like 11?) that it doesn't actually matter if you're for or against abolishing the filibuster.

I think Bernie and Warren will use executive orders to do things Biden won't. I also think Bernie and Warren are more likely to use labour and unions to exert influence from outside the political system.
 
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