And you don't think Trump campaigning as loudly and belligerently as possible to his overzealous supporters is not going to remind everyone else what a monster he is in the bluntest fashion possible?
And you don't think Trump campaigning as loudly and belligerently as possible to his overzealous supporters is not going to remind everyone else what a monster he is in the bluntest fashion possible?
For every "high disapproval ratings on immigration" result there's always an extremely bleak follow up where you find out the issue isn't that he's continuing Donald Trump's immigration policies, it's that he isn't being even worse
This isn't particularly surprising given that during the first several months of the Biden Administration, instead of covering the fact that the concentration camps are still open (they are still open btw!), the media ran nonstop stories about how our borders are being overrun.
But at least slightly more folks seem to understand that deporting asylum seekers is bad, actually.
This is from the poll the article cites on Biden doing poorly on immigration, for the record.
This isn't particularly surprising given that during the first several months of the Biden Administration, instead of covering the fact that the concentration camps are still open (they are still open btw!), the media ran nonstop stories about how our borders are being overrun.
But at least slightly more folks seem to understand that deporting asylum seekers is bad, actually.
This is from the poll the article cites on Biden doing poorly on immigration, for the record.
Granted a lot of Presidents experience this kind of dip at this stage in their presidency, but "I'm not Trump" is only going to carry you so far. The country is still in complete shambles in so many ways, nobody is going to give Biden this extended benefit of the doubt. A lot of people have been at their wit's end with this stuff for years now, they don't have the time or patience to wait and see if promises and rhetoric are delivered on, some may say its unreasonable, but people's faith is going to erode quickly nowadays.
also would depend on the media coverage. cant use Twitter any more.
Trump is likely to be the 2024 GOP nominee. So that might save Biden. Unless the economy is bad.
I am hoping that's the case at least. I expect far new lows if he does have a new campaign.
Just hope Twitter continues to stand by their ban.
I'm sure he's lost the support of every anti-vaxxer in the country.
I think it's still too early to make any kind of call about how 2024 is going to go. This data is pretty in line with historical trends, right? Presidents bleed approval in their first two years.
In our time of hyper partisanship and a one-in-a-generation pandemic, I think this is pretty expected.
I think it's still too early to make any kind of call about how 2024 is going to go. This data is pretty in line with historical trends, right? Presidents bleed approval in their first two years.
In our time of hyper partisanship and a one-in-a-generation pandemic, I think this is pretty expected.
Same here, and that's not changing.
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I forsee a lot of breathless "THIS IS WHAT LIFE WOULD B LIKE UNDER SOCIALIZM" headlines as we live that experience under capitalism.
A disaster? Really?
Not so fast my friend. The political landscape changes daily and he is only 10 months in. Myself I really don't care about 2024 polling in 2021. Who knows what will happen in the next 3 years that could bounce him to record highs or lows. Plus many many times presidents have lost both houses and it was all doom and gloom in the midterms, and that president gets reelected. Not saying it is going to happen, but I am not going to be so knee jerky in 2021 about 2024.
I guess my point is the back half matters a lot more than the first half. I do agree why he won in 2020, but he would have steamed rolled Trump in 2016.
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I've seen Trumptards already say that.
an absolute parody that post is.
acting like he hasn't done anything to help people would be a bold faced lie. and to act like his agenda he would sign immediately if passed hasn't been railroaded by bad actors.
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The way Democrats have governed has been borderline incompetent.
What really started his spiral was the pullout of Afghanistan. I don't think anyone can say it was handled well.
Also things like inflation and shortages in areas like grocery stores are finally affecting the average American.
Meanwhile the only thing I see Democrats doing is fighting over the size of the plan they want to enact. They plan on spending 3 Trillion dollars and they haven't even bothered to sell the benefits to Americans.
Stuff like having the IRS snoop on accounts with as little as $600 in it isn't going to bring support to your bill.
What really started his spiral was the pullout of Afghanistan. I don't think anyone can say it was handled well.
Also things like inflation and shortages in areas like grocery stores are finally affecting the average American.
Meanwhile the only thing I see Democrats doing is fighting over the size of the plan they want to enact. They plan on spending 3 Trillion dollars and they haven't even bothered to sell the benefits to Americans.
Stuff like having the IRS snoop on accounts with as little as $600 in it isn't going to bring support to your bill.
Politics is about PR unfortunately.
Biden has been poor here although I agree with most of his policies.
Yup. Lots of fuck you got mine going on.
This I still don't get. What was accomplished was by far the most ambitious and successful refugee operation in American history. Media focused on issues in the first days and largely ignored the overall successes and people lapped it up.
I would actually blame the idiots who allowed scum like Collins and other Republicans to get reelected. As an outsider, they are the reason Biden can't pass his agenda, and emboldened deplorables like Manchin and Sinema.
You're not wrong, but evacuations of vulnerable Afghan citizens still should and could have started much earlier. There were stories all summer about people within the administration sounding the alarm at the slow rate of evacuations, well before the withdrawal & Taliban takeover.
It seems to me that the vaccination rate was fast during the first half of the year, then plateaued. Now people are unhappy on both sides of the divide: The vaccinated because the rate has basically stopped, and antivaxxers because of the mandates.
Even if someone wanted to defend Biden, it's a problem when the best defense is a whole ass Civics lesson, an elaborate explanation about the demographics of West Virginia, and then a whole economic lesson about supply chain management.
Like that just doesn't fit neatly into a Twitter post ya know?
Like that just doesn't fit neatly into a Twitter post ya know?
The general thought was that Newsom had it in the bag, which was correct after they made Elder the Trump like person and fought against that, but that's California. The bluest state of them all, a Democrat was always going to win.
There's the incumbency advantage plus three years is a goddamn long time in the world today and an eternity in the goldfish brains of the electorate. Always in motion the future is.
I do too, but that fear will get people to the polls. If it's true that Biden only won in 2020 because of the anti-Trump vote, then Trump on the ballot is the best thing for him. And Biden will be the incumbent this time. On the other hand, there's the fear that Trump's cronies in swing states help him steal the election.
He's a bore. And you may say that's what we wanted after Trump, but no, we wanted a boring president, we didn't want a bore as president. There's absolutely no charisma. SNL stopped parodying him because there's nothing to parody.
The 2024 nominee is very likely to be either Trump or DeSantis. And in both cases I honestly think Biden wins hard. Against Trump because people are still scared shitless of him and will flock in droves to keep him out. Against DeSantis because Florida's become the poster child of fucking up COVID for everyone with DeSantis up top, plus he'd likely constantly bring up serving Trump's will which would again turn out all the anti-Trumpers.
Presidentially only becomes a problem IMO in 2028 because right now we don't have anyone as good at getting that anti-Trump turnout. So the far bigger concern in my mind is what happens with Dems overall beginning in 2022.
It's complex because we've created this giant group that is so diverse they're frankly at ends of themselves. You cannot appeal to conservative Texas and Florida Latinos the way you do liberal California Latinos. And I don't think anybody knows how you square that circle.
I don't give a shit about how "exciting" a president is. I want someone to do thing and improve things. People who expect the President to act like a celeb are what's wrong and that's only intensified thanks to Trump
I'm Latino as well.
That said Biden can do better here. Him continuing Trump's immigration policy is a huge error.
I guess you're right, though I am skeptical that the US couldn't have proceeded anyways? I don't know, I'm out of my element here -- it was just my impression of the situation, but I own that I could be 100% wrong.
His approval rating is going to sink even more if he doesn't implement a solution to the supply chain issues before Christmas.
As fucking sad as that statement is, it is true. I feel like I'm living in a parody any time I catch up on politics.
As fucking sad as that statement is, it is true. I feel like I'm living in a parody any time I catch up on politics.
Exciting presidents win elections. Biden's win over Trump is really the only exception to this, because people voted more against Trump than they did for Biden.
It's too early to say he's doomed, people. 2024 is several lifetimes away in political terms. If COVID gets under control, and the supply chain issues are sorted (gas and food prices going up hits every American, and is a big source of frustration) his numbers will begin to improve.
I suspect most Americans have already forgotten about Afghanistan.
I suspect most Americans have already forgotten about Afghanistan.
at least Biden has 3 more years left to turn things around, but yeah…if an election was right around the corner, Biden would get crushed.
No wage increases while shortages and car prices, house prices, meat prices, etc are through the roof. People are gonna look for someone else to solve that even if it isn't his fault.
No wage increases while shortages and car prices, house prices, meat prices, etc are through the roof. People are gonna look for someone else to solve that even if it isn't his fault.
Sadly you're right but there are a lot of Mexican people here in SA that don't vote. I would hope something like Castro's plan would encourage more to do so. Of course, who knows. Sadly Trump getting like 30% Latino vote is maddening, and while the demographic is not a monolith, there are common issues that you'd think ppl would rally together for against republicans.
but the "fuck you I got mine" attitude is sadly really big here in south TX, for sure yeah
Supply chains are going to be fucked for *years*. This is not a quick fix thing.
Many independents were naive about what an exit from Afghanistan would look like. We lost this war in 2003, there's a reason why 3 presidential administrations kicked the can on evacuating from Afghanistan for 15+ more years. That along with the summer spike in COVID was the pivot for his administration with independents. There were other events too, immigration is one, but Afghanistan + Summer COVID spike were the major events that put him underwater. The economic recovery being mixed signals, good jobs numbers for 3 months, and then middling numbers, along with supply chain disruptions from the pandemic, has also hurt but those supply chain disruptions have been present since early 2021, they didnt' become contributing factors to job approval until Afghanistan Exit + COVID spike.
2024 is a long time away, and polling approval numbers aren't strong indicators of re-election. Trump was underwater for his whole presidency and while he lost, it was like ~60,000 people over 3 states that bumped him, basically the same sort of thing that got him elected.
Something unique about Biden from Trump (Well, a thousand things) is that Biden does not have the sort of support from his party that Trump does, either from the left or the right. Trump had that rock solid ~90% support from his party because it's devolved into a personality cult, something that no Democrat will have in our generation.
The Administration is throwing everything at the wall with supply chain disruption, but there's not much that can be done. It's a global supply chain, building ports takes years, and while both infrastructure bills overhaul and streamline our ports of entry, neither of those are shovel ready immediately to make any dent in ~3months.
When Americans are ordering far more goods from overseas, like growth in foreign imports by 50% in one single calendar year, 33% in a the following quarter, and the places we're buying them from have much stricter rules on factory supplies during COVID (China closes plants when there are individual cases of COVID), there's nothing that can be done unless consumer buying habits change, but those aren't changing, and if they do change it's goign to be *more* purchases from Amazon, *more* imports from Asia and abroad, not less.
I try to "buy local" as much as anybody, but during the pandemic I bought *everything* on Amazon, shit I've never bought online before. I had never done food delivery from the grocery store, but then realized like, "oh, shit, this is actually kinda awesome and convenient." I had never bought toilet paper or household supplies online before, Ia lways went to the supermarket or Target, but then realized it's just as convenient and the same price to buy it online. And that leads to more stuff bought digitally that's shipped from around the world.
Exactly. Spot on with this and Afghanistan.
Biden dropped below 50% and into the 40s and 30s because independents never wanted to leave Afghanistan, or at least, they wanted the war to be over but they don't know what losing a 20 year war looks like. They see people cramming into airports to escape a country that's going to be overrun by militant religious zealots and say, "Jesus... maybe we should stay another 6months... another 18months... another 4 years..." This is what happens when you lose a war 15+ years ago but leadership keeps it going indefinitely.
And with immigration it's the same thing. A large majority of independents *want* draconian immigration policies and they buy the narrative of "invasions" and what not. I have in-laws who voted for Trump in 2016 or didn't vote for anybody, and then they voted for Biden in 2020 because they thought Trump was too much of a disaster even for them, but talk to them about immigrants and it's "Country's full as it is," "we can't provide for our own let alone [insert Latin American or Carribean country]," etc. And most of these people are the children of immigrants or the grandchildren of immigrants themselves.
2024 is a long time away, and polling approval numbers aren't strong indicators of re-election. Trump was underwater for his whole presidency and while he lost, it was like ~60,000 people over 3 states that bumped him, basically the same sort of thing that got him elected.
Something unique about Biden from Trump (Well, a thousand things) is that Biden does not have the sort of support from his party that Trump does, either from the left or the right. Trump had that rock solid ~90% support from his party because it's devolved into a personality cult, something that no Democrat will have in our generation.
The Administration is throwing everything at the wall with supply chain disruption, but there's not much that can be done. It's a global supply chain, building ports takes years, and while both infrastructure bills overhaul and streamline our ports of entry, neither of those are shovel ready immediately to make any dent in ~3months.
When Americans are ordering far more goods from overseas, like growth in foreign imports by 50% in one single calendar year, 33% in a the following quarter, and the places we're buying them from have much stricter rules on factory supplies during COVID (China closes plants when there are individual cases of COVID), there's nothing that can be done unless consumer buying habits change, but those aren't changing, and if they do change it's goign to be *more* purchases from Amazon, *more* imports from Asia and abroad, not less.
I try to "buy local" as much as anybody, but during the pandemic I bought *everything* on Amazon, shit I've never bought online before. I had never done food delivery from the grocery store, but then realized like, "oh, shit, this is actually kinda awesome and convenient." I had never bought toilet paper or household supplies online before, Ia lways went to the supermarket or Target, but then realized it's just as convenient and the same price to buy it online. And that leads to more stuff bought digitally that's shipped from around the world.
For every "high disapproval ratings on immigration" result there's always an extremely bleak follow up where you find out the issue isn't that he's continuing Donald Trump's immigration policies, it's that he isn't being even worse
This isn't particularly surprising given that during the first several months of the Biden Administration, instead of covering the fact that the concentration camps are still open (they are still open btw!), the media ran nonstop stories about how our borders are being overrun.
But at least slightly more folks seem to understand that deporting asylum seekers is bad, actually.
This is from the poll the article cites on Biden doing poorly on immigration, for the record.
Exactly. Spot on with this and Afghanistan.
Biden dropped below 50% and into the 40s and 30s because independents never wanted to leave Afghanistan, or at least, they wanted the war to be over but they don't know what losing a 20 year war looks like. They see people cramming into airports to escape a country that's going to be overrun by militant religious zealots and say, "Jesus... maybe we should stay another 6months... another 18months... another 4 years..." This is what happens when you lose a war 15+ years ago but leadership keeps it going indefinitely.
And with immigration it's the same thing. A large majority of independents *want* draconian immigration policies and they buy the narrative of "invasions" and what not. I have in-laws who voted for Trump in 2016 or didn't vote for anybody, and then they voted for Biden in 2020 because they thought Trump was too much of a disaster even for them, but talk to them about immigrants and it's "Country's full as it is," "we can't provide for our own let alone [insert Latin American or Carribean country]," etc. And most of these people are the children of immigrants or the grandchildren of immigrants themselves.
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I understand that. You think the average American will understand that? Of course not.
That is why politics in this country feels like a fucking parody. The populace is so brainwashed by consumerism, that they will froth over some gifts not delivering by Christmas, while ignoring real issues like wealth inequality, racial injustice, and a deteriorating environment.
a Biden victory? neutered trump isnt that scary unless you're talking about what his supporters do or something.