Looks like the plan will shift to "abandon Labour and avoid being blamed for a hard Brexit".
Yeah she was one of the first to get calls for deselection. Another that's jumped before they're pushed.Didn't Joan get a vote of no confidence a year back when some dodgy video of MPs getting bought came out?
They really need to look into this Independent group. Something is starting to feel sketchy about it.Yeah she was one of the first to get calls for deselection. Another that's jumped before they're pushed.
Joan Ryan fabricated a false antisemitism charge against a Palestinian solidarity activist in 2016 which led to her local party passing a motion of no confidence in her. Another brave hero.
There was some undercover footage at one of the labour party conferences involving her. Can't remember the TV show
EDIT was on Al Jazeera
When Kanye West and Donald trump hung out, did you defend him? Was it appropriate for either Trump or West to claim they were representing the relationship black people had with the republican party? No, of course you didn't. Because it wasn't. And it's the same situation with Jewdas.
Mainstream Jewry in the UK is not a monolith but it is largely homogenous. The facts speak for themselves. 85% of British Jews feel that Corbyn is a racist, 90% of them support the state of Israel's right to exist, so how is a tiny group who believe the opposite of that in any way representative and why is it appropriate for Corbyn to say there's no problem, I met these Jews for a Seder, as if that puts things to bed?
He demonstrably does not have the support of British Jews. For reasons I've outlined, which keep getting ignored.
So far as I'm concerned Jewdas are largely an irrelevance, but to paint it as if they're not an extreme tangent of a tiny minority is just disengenous.
That is all that is going to happen really. Tories to win the next 10 elections and the country to race wars. Sounds dope.... /s
If this group has any lasting effect beyond the initial buzz of their founding, that seems all too likely. I rather suspect they'd be more comfortable with more Tory rule than an actual left-wing government anyway.
That is all that is going to happen really. Tories to win the next 10 elections and the country to race wars. Sounds dope.... /s
What are the odds that there are more, and they are trying to slow drip this? What other centrist shitbags do we reckon are likely to jump before they get pushed by their CLP?
"A lib Dem party who are not the Lib Dems" is kind of the obvious solution to the "We would like you if you didn't keep making such horrible decisions in power that empower the Tories instead of providing a check on a Labour government."The lib dems destroyed themselves after the first coalition government.
The manifesto isn't a plan, it's a collection of general policy areas that they would implement if they were in power.
But they're not in power, so that's not much of a plan is it?
I hope so. I'd love to see anyone try and actually debate policy with this Labour government instead of innuendo.
Joan Ryan wrote an open letter to Corbyn calling for Palestinian refugees to be denied their legal right of return because of their race.
She's a vile racist and should've been kicked out the moment that happened.
If this group has any lasting effect beyond the initial buzz of their founding, that seems all too likely. I rather suspect they'd be more comfortable with more Tory rule than an actual left-wing government anyway.
It's doing the rounds, it's not so much a gotach as facts. We don't vote for the party, we vote the person and cry as people might there's absolutely no reason for any MP to give up the seat they were elected in.As far as 9 year old dug up gotcha tweets go, this is pretty weak.
So why does anyone even join a party if they're actually all just mercenaries? All the money and effort put in to get people on the ground to get someone elected on a manifesto should mean something.It's doing the rounds, it's not so much a gotach as facts. We don't vote for the party, we vote the person and cry as people might there's absolutely no reason for any MP to give up the seat they were elected in.
Honestly sick of the whole process now and the sooner it all burns the better.
In a general election, with the Tories at their absolute weakest and most inept, and Labour riding the goodwill of the confusion of their Brexit policy, Labour still couldn't manage anything other than "closing the gap", but still we have a Tory government.It's extremely annoying that selfish Labour cunts continue to hand more and more power to the Tories.
If they hadn't spent every fucking day since Corbyn was voted in trying to find a way to get rid of him, maybe (huge maybe to be honest) we'd be in a different place.
I mean they can call whatever the fuck this is, whatever the fuck they want.
But all they're doing is handing power over to the Tories.
It's extremely annoying that selfish Labour cunts continue to hand more and more power to the Tories.
If they hadn't spent every fucking day since Corbyn was voted in trying to find a way to get rid of him, maybe (huge maybe to be honest) we'd be in a different place.
I mean they can call whatever the fuck this is, whatever the fuck they want.
But all they're doing is handing power over to the Tories.
It's doing the rounds, it's not so much a gotach as facts. We don't vote for the party, we vote the person and cry as people might there's absolutely no reason for any MP to give up the seat they were elected in.
Honestly sick of the whole process now and the sooner it all burns the better.
It's extremely annoying that selfish Labour cunts continue to hand more and more power to the Tories.
If they hadn't spent every fucking day since Corbyn was voted in trying to find a way to get rid of him, maybe (huge maybe to be honest) we'd be in a different place.
I mean they can call whatever the fuck this is, whatever the fuck they want.
But all they're doing is handing power over to the Tories.
Because they are just Mercenaries? Kate Hoey is the perfect example of everything that is wrong with the current system.So why does anyone even join a party if they're actually all just mercenaries? All the money and effort put in to get people on the ground to get someome elected on a manifesto should mean something.
That too. There's a reason nobody wins as an independent.In my area it feels like the opposite. People vote for the party regardless of how shite the MP is.
I was thinking that too. Brexit will have happened before the next election comes around, the People's Vote campaign will be dead, what exciting polices will this shady-looking bunch of centrists have to make people interested, getting out going door to door, and voting for them? I don't get what they're trying to achieve, it seems like such a bad move to me that'll just hurt themselves and Labour.These Independent Group lot don't really have much of a base amongst the public so I'm sure Labour will be able to run rings around them on the ground.
Kate Hoey is on her way out. What we could do with then is open selection of MPs which is something people have been actively calling for. The practice of parachuting in people you like to safe seats (like Berger in Liverpool) causes too much tension when they then go on TV and radio and spend their days shit talking the party. If you don't want to be in a party then fine! Go back to the people and let them decide if you still represent them.Because they are just Mercenaries? Kate Hoey is the perfect example of everything that is wrong with the current system.
People's Vote will become Rejoin the EU.I was thinking that too. Brexit will have happened before the next election comes around, the People's Vote campaign will be dead, what exciting polices will this shady-looking bunch of centrists have to make people interested, getting out going door to door, and voting for them? I don't get what they're trying to achieve, it seems like such a bad move to me that'll just hurt themselves and Labour.
It was all sarcasm man. I also am sort of pleaseda new party is being formed, but I can't support this party either. It's basically same old for meI think people are getting ahead of themselves quite a bit. TIG is not yet an official party and, to do serious damage to Labour, they would have to stand hundreds of candidates in a forthcoming GE. Ultimately, before the next general election, the outcome of Brexit is going to completely alter the landscape anyway.
The polls that suggest they'd end up with 10% of the vote reflect a knee-jerk reaction: nobody really knows what they stand for. I guess it's basically New Labour 2.0, which probably could do quite well, but it's way too early to make predictions about what this is going to do given how hectic the immediate future is bound to be.
Personally the whole thing has been rather frustrating - I don't feel like Labour or the Conservatives represent me whatsoever. I do want something else, but this certainly isn't it.
I was thinking that too. Brexit will have happened before the next election comes around, the People's Vote campaign will be dead, what exciting polices will this shady-looking bunch of centrists have to make people interested, getting out going door to door, and voting for them? I don't get what they're trying to achieve, it seems like such a bad move to me that'll just hurt themselves and Labour.
In a general election, with the Tories at their absolute weakest and most inept, and Labour riding the goodwill of the confusion of their Brexit policy, Labour still couldn't manage anything other than "closing the gap", but still we have a Tory government.
What's the solution really? Just keep holding general elections Labour will keep failing to win?
I was thinking that too. Brexit will have happened before the next election comes around, the People's Vote campaign will be dead, what exciting polices will this shady-looking bunch of centrists have to make people interested, getting out going door to door, and voting for them? I don't get what they're trying to achieve, it seems like such a bad move to me that'll just hurt themselves and Labour.
It's doing the rounds, it's not so much a gotach as facts. We don't vote for the party, we vote the person and cry as people might there's absolutely no reason for any MP to give up the seat they were elected in.
Honestly sick of the whole process now and the sooner it all burns the better.