"The thing you must realise about polls is that they are not devices for measuring public opinion - they are devices for influencing it".
Quoting Peter fucking Hitchens now, are we?
"The thing you must realise about polls is that they are not devices for measuring public opinion - they are devices for influencing it".
It must tear him up that he was about a decade too late to be the leader he thinks he is.In a headline that will surprise literally fucking nobody: "Chuka Umunna wants 'biggest role' in new Independent Group"
In a headline that will surprise literally fucking nobody: "Chuka Umunna wants 'biggest role' in new Independent Group"
Oh and I dunno if this got picked up here, but: "Labour reports former MP Joan Ryan over alleged data breach"
I would not be hugely surprised, because she's got a history of being dodgy as fuck. I know this load of independents are probably short on friends right now, but I wonder at what point they start looking at who they're getting into bed with. Suppose it doesn't really matter when you've got someone as oily as Chuka vying to lead it, though.
This is the same issue you see in the US where the Dems are penalized for being an urban based party, I presume?A big problem for Labour is that their support is spread geographically in such a way that FPTP fucks them.
You got caught in a lie. Intentionally spreading misinformation puts you on the same level as Trumpers.
Yes.This is the same issue you see in the US where the Dems are penalized for being an urban based party, I presume?
In a headline that will surprise literally fucking nobody: "Chuka Umunna wants 'biggest role' in new Independent Group"
I think it's a bit off for the guardian to say they are on par with the Libdem's, nobody has voted for the independent group yet.
I know they mean number of MPs, it's probably Chuka's smug face in the picture that made it annoying.
You're right, but you are an arseholeYou're "facts proving people wrong make them argue even harder" in motion. You made a claim in the face of overwhelming evidence, refused to provide your own evidence, tried to move the goalposts, doubled-down with the reasoning of an absolute simpleton, and now are reduced to lashing out in spite. Just embarrassing.
You're "facts proving people wrong make them argue even harder" in motion. You made a claim in the face of overwhelming evidence, refused to provide your own evidence, tried to move the goalposts, doubled-down with the reasoning of an absolute simpleton, and now are reduced to lashing out in spite. Just embarrassing.
Theresa May is currently as popular as a pile of cowshit. She's not seen as competent either. Yet somehow, she's still rated higher by the population in both these metrics than Corbyn, now, today. This is a fact, and trying to muddy the waters by talking about the election results, that Labour still got a lower vote share in even if they did much better than anyone initially expected, and as if there wasn't a multitude of other reasons for that beyond just the two leaders involved, is pretty dishonest and transparently mindless tribalism.Okay, since you really need this spelling out then here we go.
UK politics is not in any shape or form a level playing field. You do not go in front of the electorate with your manifesto and policies and set out your stall from zero. There are inherent biases all over the shop but let's go with the absolute basic - some people will vote Conservative no matter what, some will vote Labour no matter what. So every Tory and Labour leader will have an absolute floor and an absolute ceiling.
The nature of the UK is that the Tory party, at this moment in time, have a very high floor. So high in fact that a turd in a blue rosette stands a chance of election. The Labour party have a fairly low ceiling. This has been the case since 2010 but for the sake of explaining this to you, let's stick to Corbyn.
Theresa May's popularity can be seen quite clearly by how she performed during the election campaign.
The way she tanked is a great example of what happens when the stabilisers (namely the press) come off. Given that we know that many people within the Labour party were working actively against Corbyn during the election and fully expected the kind of result that would give their own political careers a push
and that Theresa May basically had the entire establishment willing her on to win a sizeable majority to reshape the UK, I think it speaks volumes that Corbyn managed to shoot up, practically against the ceiling in 2017 while May dropped so hard that she almost did worse than a turd in a blue rosette.
If anyone legitimately thought she was more popular than Corbyn, they would've called an election last year. The fact that they spend so much time warning about how disastrous a Corbyn government would be tells you that even the Tories believe that another election campaign would see them off.
If you want to cling to absolute figures now and completely remove any and all context, go right ahead but I can't be arsed replying to you any more. I just imagine you like Stephen Kinnock now.
Theresa May's popularity can be seen quite clearly by how she performed during the election campaign.
The Society's neo-conservative, pro-Saudi leadership position sits well with lots of Tories, but can also fit at least some of the new Independent Group of MPs. Mike Gapes has been on a number of Saudi-funded trips to the Kingdom. After an £8,700 trip to Saudi funded by the regime last year, Gapes praised the "rapid economic and societal change" he saw in "the modern city of Riyadh including its shopping malls, where there are many UK retailers, and its parks and museums".
Westminster Voting Intention (Including TIG):
CON: 36% (-2)
LAB: 23% (-3)
TIG: 18% (+4)
LDM: 6% (-1)
Via@YouGov. Changes w/ 18-19 Feb.
Only polls I trust these days are John Curtice. They've failed us 3 or 4 times in a row.
Yeah that yougov poll is just laughable. 18% for the independent funny tinge idiots? Lol. There's only currently 11 out of 650 constituencies where anyone can actually vote for them so for the vast majority of the electorate they're not an option anyway. And they're almost certainly never going to be able to field that many candidates in a prospective general election - standing for absolutely nothing really won't get them very far once the media honeymoon is over.
I see this as a sign that there is a sizable part of the electorate that doesn't like Labour or the Tories and want to vote for another party that sits somewhere inbetween the two. Until TIG come out with policies though we won't get to see the true picture of their level of support.Yeah that yougov poll is just laughable. 18% for the independent funny tinge idiots? Lol. There's only currently 11 out of 650 constituencies where anyone can actually vote for them so for the vast majority of the electorate they're not an option anyway. And they're almost certainly never going to be able to field that many candidates in a prospective general election - standing for absolutely nothing really won't get them very far once the media honeymoon is over.
https://twitter.com/SayeedaWarsi/status/1100064176033148929?s=19
Turns out Tory voters are even more islamophobic than thought.
This is damning but will be completely ignored as per usual.
As someone said earlier, they're held to a lower standard as even the best Tories are twats.https://twitter.com/SayeedaWarsi/status/1100064176033148929?s=19
Turns out Tory voters are even more islamophobic than thought.
This is damning but will be completely ignored as per usual.
Well I expect nothing but that 47% who think there's no go areas is still pretty shocking. I'm surprised that Donald Trump lie has permeated so deep tbh.https://twitter.com/SayeedaWarsi/status/1100064176033148929?s=19
Turns out Tory voters are even more islamophobic than thought.
This is damning but will be completely ignored as per usual.
I have been all my life a macroeconomist, and for the last twenty odd years an academic. That gave me a perspective on 2010 austerity and the 2015 election which was largely absent from the popular debate. As a result, I can see that Brexit was not an isolated event, the result of one bad decision by Cameron, but part of a pattern suggesting deep problems with how UK politics works.
My point in making these parallels is that evidence based policy making on major issues didn't end with Brexit, but six years earlier with austerity. In both cases these are policies that create great harm to all, and acute harm to many. I calculate austerity cost the average household £10,000, and NEF using similar methods get an even larger figure. No government since the war, including those of Thatcher, has embarked on prolonged austerity during an economic recovery, and so it is no surprise we had the weakest recovery for centuries.
Brexit is therefore not the exception in a period of otherwise normal government. If you ask why Brexit happened, it was not that David Cameron made one mistake in an otherwise capable period as Prime Minister. There is evidence that austerity encouraged the growth of UKIP and by implication the Brexit vote. I remember often hearing people in areas that are described as 'left behind' dismissing the economic impact of Brexit by saying things could not possibly get worse than they are now.
Although the Independent Group (IG) may have a more attractive policy on Brexit, and they will talk the talk on a broken politics, the group is made up of politicians who either believe their government did the right thing over austerity, or who in opposition urged accepting Osborne's policy. Deficit obsession is damaging to the economy, but it also shuts the gate to so much else that needs to be done. It means the IG will be unable to undertake the far reaching and radical industrial policy that is needed to tackle the huge regional inequalities within the UK, and help those left behind that voted for Brexit. It means no Green New Deal. Although so far policy light, they have pledged to keep our current 'free media', which will mean they would do nothing to mend much of our dysfunctional press that acts as a propaganda vehicle for their owners, or a broadcast media that balances truth with lies and is largely expert free.
https://twitter.com/SayeedaWarsi/status/1100064176033148929?s=19
Turns out Tory voters are even more islamophobic than thought.
This is damning but will be completely ignored as per usual.
One thing I'm sure we can all agree on is that neither May or Corbyn will ever be able to match the incredible popularity and charisma of Don't Know.
39% for May what the fuck. How is Don't Know not beating her into the ground? Should be 60%+ to their 20/20
39% for May what the fuck. How is Don't Know not beating her into the ground? Should be 60%+ to their 20/20
It's mostly a pity vote for the poor tory dealing with the mess created by another one, she is also fucking useless beyond brexit, which I hope bites her party big time when this distraction passes.
The Islamaphobia inside the Conservative party has been swept under the rug for ages and ages.
Not to get Labour off the hook for the antisemitism problem, but isn't Conservative Islamaphobia statistically more prevalent and high profile?