So as soon as you spot someone with a belief that's antithetical to yours, an "I'm should be so, so, so offended" bomb is ready to go of? That's not a healthy approach to life.
A woman told me that my atheism offends her.
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So as soon as you spot someone with a belief that's antithetical to yours, an "I'm should be so, so, so offended" bomb is ready to go of? That's not a healthy approach to life.
When have you ever asked someone "What do you believe in?" for them to respond with "Not god"? Thats not a conversation I can ever picture taking place.
Thanks for laying it out for the thread, it's too easy to mix these up when talking about atheism and the distinctions are important.
I agree. No one cares. No one is listening and you're only upsetting others who just want to live a merry life. In fact why speak of anything at all. People should just stay quiet all the time. No one wants to talk to you. No one wants to be talked to. Nothing about anyone is interesting. Speech is actually a evolutionary disadvantage because all it does it bother everyone and potentially bring unto them an untimely headache. Let's all just stay silent. And not see each other ever again. Don't you dare leave the house.
no, Atheism is not believing in god.
A Gnostic Atheist says they have 100% knowledge that a god doesn't exist.
I'm an Agnostic Atheist, you can be both.
All of this.
It's ironic how often folks on era like to randomly remind everyone how they loathe the atheists on here, despite the kind of stuff being posted in this thread about atheists.
This is why I think everyone's beliefs, or lack of, just needs to be kept to themselves. IRL and online. The kind of stuff we have to put up with from society and online as soon as they find out we don't believe the thing they believe we're suddenly spoken to and treated like a contagious "other".
It's not, and anybody who says they're 100% sure if a god exists or not shouldn't be taken seriously, because nobody knows for certain.
When discussing the existence of a god you're not discussing what you or anyone else knows, you're discussing what you and others believe. Like, I don't believe a god exists but obviously I don't know for sure. An atheist is just someone who hasn't been convinced that a god exists, and thinks it's unlikely that one does exist.
OP was asked by a friend if he believed in god, he answered, and they had a conversation.
What, exactly, is the problem here?
I know im not going to be changing general public opinion or discourse on a video game forum, but the term Naturalist fits both gnostic and agnostic atheism perfectly and actually proposes a belief structure instead of a non-belief.
A Naturalist believes in what they can see or experiment on. You are effectively saying 'I believe in Science'.
A Naturalist believes in what they can see or experiment on. You are effectively saying 'I believe in Science'.
You don't believe in science. Theres nothing to believe, it just is. I reject your need to have a belief structure entirely.
Why is it so important to you that people "believe in something" ?
I don't "believe" in science.
Nah, I'm just through addressing you.
What do you believe in?
Not in any deity, which is all that matters for this discussion really.
"Why aren't you letting me bait you so I can say 'checkmate!'?"
Seriously, you're very hung up on this.
people sending signals to their fingers to produce sentences on an electronic device and sending them to the rest of the world pretending that they don't "believe" in science
No. What I can see, just is. I don't have to "believe" in it.
This whole thing you got going is completely irrelevant to what atheism is anyway.
I believe that you're comically missing the point. I believe you're unwilling to admit that you're wrong. I believe you're ascribing labels that nobody uses for no good reason.
Those are my beliefs.
I think the users in here suggesting that atheism is something it's not and that atheists should dance around what they actually think for the sake of other's delicate sensibilities are arguments in favour of atheists 'coming out'.
I do not agree, no.
Science does not require belief, that is the exact purpose of it.
I have seen this tactic before. First they say "oh you just believe in something else, you believe in science!".
They do that because they are well aware that it's silly to base your life philosophies on something that is obviously made up and requires belief. It's a trap set up to lead to a gotcha moment that you are just as silly as them.
Leading to "But science has been wrong many times!" Which is right, but again, that is the exact point of science. To be constantly challenged, to evolve and add new results and knowledge. Not based on scripture written millenia ago. That science has been wrong is the proof that science is right, and does not require belief, it destroys belief constantly.
I consider myself an atheist because I reject belief.
I don't get why belief is such a scary term. It just means an acceptance that a statement is true or that something exists. Truly, if you say something 'is', you believe in it.
It's not, it's just you're misusing it to label atheists to better fit your world view and no one wants to play along with you.
I wouldn't debate, but if someone told me that me being me offended them, I'd just tell them "Your intolerance offends me" and call it a day.
Please don't say that shit, many atheists, including myself, are calling them out.
Earlier you basically were victim blaming atheists because theists would treat them like shit and now this, at least try to not seem like an ass.
Why would they find that offensive? People believe in all types of different shit. Finding that "offensive" makes no sense.
If they come out and say "I think people who believe in god(s) are stupid." Yeah, that would be offensive. Just simply not believing in the same thing? Finding that offensive would be pathetic.
It is, present me with your twisted definition of the term and feel free to present it to Merriam Webster so we can correct my awful misuse of a basic term.
I can't agree with your reasoning. Perhaps I'm complacent about living in a country where being an atheist means nothing much. Hardly anybody else in my country ever goes to church anyway, and religion has lost its relevance for most of us. But that's no reason to avoid saying, if asked, that you're an atheist. I put it on forms in hospitals and other medical contexts, because those people like to know about any pastoral needs I may have. Maybe one day humanist chaplains will be commonplace. I register my religious belief as atheist in the decennial census, and that is definitely worth doing because the result will be atheist-friendly public planning policy in my area. Visibility does matter. There is no disadvantage. If you live in a country where being a visible atheist brings problems, consider that this may be overwhelmingly due to the scarcity of visible atheists.
I don't agree that equal treatment for people of all religious positions is not worth fighting for. It certainly is, and it's an easily won fight as we've found here in Europe.
I always find it fascinating those who deem you an "agent of Satan put on earth to lead her astray" versus those who see you as a cause to be converted. It sounds like she hasn't really absorbed the teachings of her religion nor is open minded enough to have a educated discussion on religion.
I refuse to believe she didn't mention your hat tipping on facebook. I want screencaps!
(Also agnostic/atheist) next time tell just tell 'em to fuck off.
(Also agnostic/atheist) next time tell just tell 'em to fuck off.
As a Christian I think she was given a great opportunity to proselytize and she kind of blew it by thinking only of herself in that moment, that's a real shame.
Not believing in the same thing? Cool, that is fine. But when your belief is simply to reject theirs, that is what I view as inherently confrontational.
Not believing in the same thing implies that you do have some beliefs, which could lead to an enlightening conversation instead of a negative one.
