That was a bad take when Kevin Smith did it, too.
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I didn't love Django either, didn't hate it, but it felt different. Unfortunately, I think it's because his editor Sally Menke died tragically. She did every one of his movies before Django.I did not care much for Django Unchained. Just something uncomfortably 'a white guy made this' about it, even before you factor in Tarantino's weird cringeworthy IRL cultural appropriation lol. Also just plain too long. I liked it more than Hateful Eight but that one I feel had a more mixed reception to begin with.
People so often underrate editors and their importance/contributions. Reminds me of that great quote from Thelma Schoonmaker when someone asked her how a 'nice lady' could work on such violent movies: "...they aren't violent until I've edited them!'I didn't love Django either, didn't hate it, but it felt different. Unfortunately, I think it's because his editor Sally Menke died tragically. She did every one of his movies before Django.
Can't believe you'd dare call a Mark Dacascos actioner dull... outrageous take! :P
I don't care for most of the Miyazaki movies but the 2 I like, I think are amazing. Those are Ponyo and Arriety. But to be fair, I haven't seen every movie he's done.
Hollywood was going to find a way to crack down and pass full control to the money-men eventually, they were looking for a cause. Heaven's Gate is a scapegoat - and not to mention I think it's just plain wrong to keep harping on it and pointing to it and Cimino as the 'downfall' of Hollywood/cinema. Cimino was suicidal in part thanks to how much hate was flung over HG, all the blame assigned, and that's even before you get into all the mockery and derision that followed being outed as a closet trans person.The Deer Hunter is way too long, and indirectly led to the downfall of cinema
I haven't seen it since it came out, but I remember something about the script getting messed up trying to please Will Smith, and that these changes were kept even after he was out. I'd like to read the original script if it exists.I didn't love Django either, didn't hate it, but it felt different. Unfortunately, I think it's because his editor Sally Menke died tragically. She did every one of his movies before Django.
I don't think there were looking for "excuses", they just cared about what made money.Hollywood was going to find a way to crack down and pass full control to the money-men eventually, they were looking for a cause. Heaven's Gate is a scapegoat - and not to mention I think it's just plain wrong to keep harping on it and pointing to it and Cimino as the 'downfall' of Hollywood/cinema. Cimino was suicidal in part thanks to how much hate was flung over HG, all the blame assigned, and that's even before you get into all the mockery and derision that followed being outed as a closet trans person.
Just feels immensely shitty to me to continue to blame a systemic shift that corporations were looking for any excuse to make on one person, especially blaming it on a filmmaker who in the fallout of all of it struggled with suicidal thoughts and discrimination/mockery over their gender identity.
People often forget too - Heaven's Gate didn't even bankrupt shit. All its losses were made up for by a single Bond movie. Transamerica was intent on selling UA one way or the other. Studios too were going to find any excuse to reign in control, whether it be Heaven's Gate or One From the Heart or any number of other movies used as their excuse.
I do get what you mean, and there absolutely was a shift in what kind of movies were popular as well as the rise of blockbusters. I just think it's also simultaneously true that studios looked to Heaven's Gate as justification to tighten the reigns and give filmmakers less control / final say, which of course like all things is in service of the pursuit of ever-more money. Folks who worked on the movie described as much, how as soon as the first reviews hit various hollywood executives were already pouncing with the blood in the water and decrying the film as proof control needed to be taken away from the directors. A peeved Kristofferson even confronted one of them about it later on at Cannes.I don't think there were looking for "excuses", they just cared about what made money.
And besides, the new generation of auteurs like Lucas and Spielberg just wanted to make expensive, crowd-pleasing blockbusters. I'm all for blaming corporations, but I think in this case it was more of a natural evolution than a forced change, something you can see in most media (and even in society itself according to people who were there) from around that time.
Can you elaborate on that? First time I've heard that.The Deer Hunter is way too long, and indirectly led to the downfall of cinema