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Actually.... What Pelosi said wasn't acceptable. Here's why you missed it...
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It's how countless people have approached the issue for those that don't get it. Of course all lives matter. But we're talking about why black lives matter specifically here.
It's not hard to just say "Yes I support black lives matter".
Nobody asked her about anything else, she brought the rest up all on her own.
Nobody asked her about anything else, she brought the rest up all on her own.
Why do you keep popping into threads to make a few posts and then announce that you're bailing?
Weren't you the same dude who said America wasn't a racist country
I agree with you. I think people say this phrase without thinking about what they're doing. People also use this phrase all the time to dismiss Black Lives Matter as some kind of nuisance that needs to go away.
I don't know which this is but it has the same effect, regardless.
I don't know which this is but it has the same effect, regardless.
When the heck did Pelosi say she was running for president?
Who was it then? ..........Oh right, Elizabeth Warren was the one exploring options, I get them confused.
My mistake. Carry on. I'm still gonna say that the establishment democrats learned the wrong thing if they're saying this.
All Lives Matter to me reads like most White "allyship" bare minimum and performative at best
Nancy told all the Black folks present what her feelings on the subject are nothing of note
Nancy told all the Black folks present what her feelings on the subject are nothing of note
Nah, it was coined by racists to diminish and deflect the oppression black people have dealt with and continue to deal with.
As a minority, I think it's sad to hear you don't want to hear other minorities be included in this fight for equality, as if they do not have their own struggles. It shows a lack of understanding of other minorities, races, cultures to be like well I only care for my own race.
Every minority is struggling in different ways and every minority has felt the hand of racism from white people.
I agree that Black lives matter and the issues pushed forward are very real. That doesn't mean that others can't say they think their lives matter or join in this push for equality.
It shouldn't be one race gets equal treatment at a time. We should all be at that point in this day and age you would think.
Every minority is struggling in different ways and every minority has felt the hand of racism from white people.
I agree that Black lives matter and the issues pushed forward are very real. That doesn't mean that others can't say they think their lives matter or join in this push for equality.
It shouldn't be one race gets equal treatment at a time. We should all be at that point in this day and age you would think.
Characterizing it as a "conservative talking point" is being way too charitable. It's purposefully disingenuous bullshit from diet and overt racists. If white people look at BLM as a personal attack that's their fucking problem.
It isn't just about winning elections. Should politics simply be about appealing to the lowest common denominator? We aren't any better than Trump and his ilk if we are willing to appeal to racism and bigotry.
Black Lives Matter is the ethical position. Period.
I'm sorry if it scares white moderates and even leftists. But one racial group of people should not be targeted for violence. And the phrase "all lives matter" is a direct repudiation of the fight that we face trying to end this violence against our people. The fact that one of the leaders of the Democratic Party thinks that it's ok to use that phrase in this context is despicable.
No one is going to argue against the notion that "all lives matter", which is why it doesn't need to be said. Not "all lives" are being treated as disposable and unimportant, so it's an important distinction for her to make. Politicians should try harder to give people a reason to vote for them beyond "well the other guys are reeeeeally big pieces of shit".
This is alot better summation than I care to give. This thread just seems so ridiculous. This is why the liberal agenda will never get anywhere.
Yeah but the fact that she included it doesn't mean that she's trying to dog whistle or whatever you all are trying to claim. People are playing dumb to the current political climate where you have to be extremely precise with everything you say for the sake of internet rage. Its ridiculous.
Its because we know its bullshit. No matter how we protest people find a problem with the shit and attack it. BLM? Oh noooo, we need to ALL lives matter your protest.... Kneel at a football game? Oh noooo we need you to play ball and shutup and make sure you never play in the league and ban kneeling.
Fuck that, they aren't slick. No matter how we represent our issues the same fucking assholes always find some way to fuck with it. Its never good enough. If we take it public its "Stop blocking traffic" if we do it peacefully then its "All lives matter" if we kneel its "Unacceptable and disrespecting the troops".
Had enough of this bullshit. Doesn't take a genius to see that people just don't want black people airing and bringing attention to the specific grievances they face.
The majority of people who push "All Lives Matter" want other minorities to have this response, and it's sad in 2019 that folks still go "I don't see why the struggle of black people are more important than my race's struggle."
Folks are just playing into their goddamn hands. Stuff like what Pelosi said make me wonder if Democrats really did learn anything over the last couple of years.
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Why should we accept it? Black people are tired of being the Democrats Old reliable
good. You added nothing but stupid shameful bullshit stirring the pot for nothing
You've completely misunderstood this topic.
This is about All Lives Matter being said to detract from when people want politicians to focus on issues affecting black people. It's deflection, time and time again, from a movement trying to get people to notice the injustice black people face in America.
This is a pretty bad argument in terms of winning elections. Do you want more leftist radical nonvoting movements? Because this is how you get more leftist radical nonvoting movements.
it's acceptable, especially since she qualified it by stating her support for BLM. just may be disappointing to some
Ding ding ding
All lives matter is just another way to shout down the angry black folk and keep them in line. No excuses. If you sympathize or make excuses for why it's ok to say all lives matter you're part of the problem.
Nobody would dare say all lives matter in response to blue lives matter because that would be disrespectful to the heroes in uniform. But somehow it's not disrespectful to the black community because reasons. Those reasons are systemic racism and inherent biases against minorities.
Why do you think she felt the need to follow up by saying all lives matter?
Huh, it's kind of strange seeing the responses in this thread largely being against her statement, while most of the posts in the previous thread were defending it.
Granted, the click-bait title and lack of other information in the OP of the last thread may have made people feel a bit defensive, and I guess it's not like the entire board has to have the same opinion on something; It's just weird how it's almost a complete 180 here.
Granted, the click-bait title and lack of other information in the OP of the last thread may have made people feel a bit defensive, and I guess it's not like the entire board has to have the same opinion on something; It's just weird how it's almost a complete 180 here.
When it comes to a politician, especially a leader among politicians it stops being just a simple comment but a top down statement on the the understanding of those following that leader.
Decent people genuinely believe all lives matter anyway, the real problem was the phrase getting hijacked by people who believe the opposite, they shouldn't be allowed to own it.
I get the frustration at having to deal with the deliberate stupidity though.
I always knew she was a fake ass 'progressive' corporate Democrat. Lol. Same with Hillary and her ilk. Congrats on actively pushing PoC away.
And the establishment is always fucking puzzled as to why Democrats don't vote. THIS IS WHY. Turning your back on people and talking the same talk as Trump. Only a matter of time until we hear the Alt right being referred to as "good people"...
Not black BTW. But don't let that ruin your bullshit ALM agenda. Blue lives matter too right?
And the establishment is always fucking puzzled as to why Democrats don't vote. THIS IS WHY. Turning your back on people and talking the same talk as Trump. Only a matter of time until we hear the Alt right being referred to as "good people"...
As another minority your post is fucking garbage and obvious bait. And I'm pretty sure I recognize the username.
Not black BTW. But don't let that ruin your bullshit ALM agenda. Blue lives matter too right?
Just watched the town hall, I knew what this was about before opening the thread. Really weak spot in an otherwise good event, jarringly so, hopefully the next speaker can acknowledge the grassroots properly and not treat it like a Fox News bogeyman
I guess I must've missed this whole controversy. Honestly, I'm not surprised coming from Pelosi so I can't even say I'm disappointed.
No. It's like saying. "I respect you. Btw, fuck everything you believe and care about."
They said "I respect you."!
Unfortunately, in your country, it -is- about winning elections, as do you seriously believe anyone else is going to give a shit about BLM? Of course it is the moral, right and correct position. There'd be ways to make it a position to push in other countries, but in yours, no, there isn't. You push it, and you lose, and once you lose, it becomes a minority opinion that dies, and is forgotten. It isn't a new thing that black people are killed more than any other race, it's happened for decades and decades, and pushes have been made to highlight this before, but only BLM now has had any significant traction.
The sad part is, democrats are not a single issue party... They can't run on a BLM stance and hope that carries them to victory, and sadly, Democrats already believe they have Black peoples votes. They won't do much for them, as they know Black peoples other choice is another 4 years of Trump. It's terrible, disgusting and an unbelievable state of affairs, but it isn't going to get better by punishing the most left wing of the only party that fights for Black people, as Pelosi -is- the left wing, and pretty much everyone below her would push towards the centre, and even more Trumpism.
That said, I think 99% of Black Americans are fully aware of this already, which makes it all the more sad.
So her making sure to recognize black lives matter first and working in that other peoples lives matters too, you know to cover the conservative attacks that surely would come is harmful how?
I think its possible she she means "all", in the sense of all minorities including african americans. this is different than the racist shorthand slang, which is usually said without a preceding statement of support for blm
Seems like the type of dude who just can't handle being called on his bullshit. Easier to take his ball and go home than defend his views or acknowledge problems with them.
Beautifully said.
Then pull a Kanye and get a MAGA hat
This only works if you believe ALM is a dog whistle to white supremacy. In actuality it has more to do with ignorance and a lack of understanding of BLM. It sure is a rallying cry for people are hateful against black people in this country, but it's also often repeated by people who simply don't understand what BLM is about.
Pelosi's comment is trying to bridge people into understanding that there is merit to BLM to ALM people. Some who parrot ALM would be supportive of BLM more so if they understood it is about injustice towards black people and that they are treated differently. Not everyone understands that sadly, which seems to be the purpose behind her comment and phrasing.
Pelosi's comment is trying to bridge people into understanding that there is merit to BLM to ALM people. Some who parrot ALM would be supportive of BLM more so if they understood it is about injustice towards black people and that they are treated differently. Not everyone understands that sadly, which seems to be the purpose behind her comment and phrasing.
She should welcome the conservative attacks on the radical idea that black people deserve to not be shot.
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