Yeah but like, there's not even menus in medieval times which is the closest analogue to middle earth. Inns don't have menus.
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Adding a type of seaweed to a cow's diet reduces methane emissions by 99%
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It's a fantasy world... if Tolkien wanted menus that's his choice.
If he wanted flying cars in his "medieval" world he could.
Yeah for sure, I'm not denying that they can't just so whatever they want. There's no way tolkein would randomly add in menus tho (and movie obvs wasn't written by him so moot pt).
I'm just saying it's interesting tho that's all.
Song dynasty starts after middle ages start ( tho overlap). But either way:
Maybe an orc could have learned of a menu from whatever the middle earth equivalent of China could be.
That the Uruk-hai know about menus indicates the existence of Orc or Goblin chefs/quartermasters who made menus to give the troops a choice of what they wanted to eat.
One wonders how high orcish civilization could climb if they weren't all murderous servants of the Dark Lord.
One wonders how high orcish civilization could climb if they weren't all murderous servants of the Dark Lord.
There are more issues with farmed beef than methane. For one, the amount of water required
The seaweed has chemicals that reduce the population of bacteria in the cow's GI tract that produce the methane the cow burps. Less of that strain of bacteria, less methane burps
plant based meat use 1/10 of the energy and water that animal meat uses. Once the taste and texture is good enough animal meat won't be able to compete. I actually think plant based, not lab-grown meat is the thing to get excited about. There's a ton of research going into genetically modifying plants to produce better meat flavor.
What I'm about to say is half in jest, half serious, but if you think the protests right now in Hong Kong about democracy is bad, the protests that will happen about giving up meat will set the city on fire. Even quicker than climate change will.
Cheap, high quality fresh meat is almost considered a right in that city. Even the butchers who sell to the people have this mentality that they're not just running a business, they're doing it as a service for the people hence when meat shortages happen, they still won't raise the prices too high in fear of alienating everybody and because they just feel that it's the right thing to do.
I'm not saying meat consumption shouldn't be reduced in a large scale, because it should be, but the pushback will be intense.
Really? Plant based solutions will be more expensive, and they're not even healthier than the current options. The Impossible Burger is higher in saturated fat and lower in protein to an old fashioned burger, and I can see the meat industry slamming against that particularly hard. Especially if, in order to get that much closer to the texture and taste (Because Impossible still isn't there) it would need to become even less healthy than it's current iteration.
This. Though a brilliant idea, this is sadly just putting some make-up on a big ass pimple.
impossible burger is like a prototype compared to what's coming.
I'd love to see something price competitive, flavor identical, and nutritionally on par with real meat within the next five years. It'd be a surprise, but a welcome one.
Price is the one aspect where plant and lab grown meat will have all the advantages long term.
I expect taste will remain forever contented as people will revert to purity arguments when it gets too close. And animal meat likely becomes a premium only product sometime down the line.
You can't disagree with facts. Even ignoring the effect on climate change, producing meat requires too much water, land & resources & has a ton of other issues to be sustainable & sensible for the number of people that we currently have on the planet, let alone the few billion more people we are going to have in the near-ish future. As many people as possible need to abandon meat altogether and the rest need to limit its consumption to an absolute minimum.
would be excellent if possible to be implemented on a mass scale.
LMAO
The only way we can combat climate change is by finding ways to reverse it and by finding ways to lower or eliminate the effects of our daily actions. You can't expect people to change their lifestyles to combat climate change, you have to make the lifestyle be less hazardous or create a way to dispel the hazards.
Yup. It will be impossible to have farm animals in the future. Sadly, people will eat meat until it's no longer possible to produce it. Even though they know the damage it does.
There's simply no way to reverse or eliminate most of the bad aspects of meat production, especially with the increasing population. Whatever improvements we make (like, bigger-yielding crops) will be offset by increasing population/increasing number of people starting to eat meat. Greenhouse gases & climate change isn't the only huge issue with it. Even if every cow stopped burbing and even if all phases of meat production from growing/handling crops that goes to feed them to storing meat became 100% powered by renewable, clean energy from this day forward, those issues would still remain.
Invent ways to remove greenhouse gases, lab grown meat, genetically modified cows or feed it that seaweed to lessen the output of methane.
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this doesn't solve the problem that the majority of livestock's impact is just the massive amount of fucking space they need, leading to deforestation
also an inefficient use of space in terms of food yield
and the fact that murdering animals is just cruel and unnecessary in a modern society where we already pretty much cracked lab-grown meats.
You are my hero.
Back to the topic at hand, I think this will be one of many discoveries on innovative ways to reduce our impact on the climate. I'm excited to see what else we find that can help.
My thoughts exactly. LOTR is told from the perspective of the 'winners' with the orcs and Urukhai othered into the form of mindless beasts, necessarily so to excuse their mindless slaughter at the hands of the so-called heros. However, their familiarity with sophisticated dining conventions hints at a culture which not only rivals but surpasses that of the men, the hobbits and the ethno-fascistic Elves. Who knows what the Urukhai could have achieved had they not been bewitched by Sauron and destroyed by the philistine forces of west-middle-earth. Was Sauron even the problem? A technocractic visionary who sought only the progress with which to draw his people out of the darkness.
Did you even read my post. I said climate change isn't the only issue with meat production. It pollutes our waterbodies, destroys our forests (and no, you can't just grow it back in a lot of cases after you've ruined the soil and wrecked the ecosystem/biodiversity) and requires a fuckton of energy in different phases of production, among other things. These things aren't going to go away even if they don't produce methane anymore.
Again, whatever improvements we can achieve, they will likely be offset by human population still growing by at least 2-3 billion people in the relatively near(ish) future. Plus we don't have decades to achieve these things. It needs to happen NOW.
I don't see lab grown meat as an answer either, necessarily. It doesn't come out of thin air (how much resources does its production use vs just eating shit that is grown outside? How much energy?) and people are exceptionally nitpicky when it comes to their food. I can foresee a lot of people declining lab grown meat because "it's not natural" or "it's not the same thing as a real bloody steak cut from a once-living animal". We already have products that are incredibly close to the real deal. Not 100% but close enough that a lot of people ARE fooled and most of the rest could probably get used to it they weren't so pathetically prejudiced & stuck in their ways.
This seaweed thing sounds promising, but what kind of resources does it require for mass production? As mentioned above, cows already require a huge amount of resources to feed, will this just increase that problem? Even more shit to feed to the cows, more area to waste growing shit to feed to these cows as if what they already require wasn't enough.
We could try switching to cannibalism. Would help with reigning in overpopulation too, and since presumably the old and feeble would be the first to get eaten, it would help in increasing average health and fix our problems with an ageing society too.
What a modest proposal, I like it.We could try switching to cannibalism. Would help with reigning in overpopulation too, and since presumably the old and feeble would be the first to get eaten, it would help in increasing average health and fix our problems with an ageing society too.
isn't one of the biggest issues with this that climate change is affecting seaweed growth and already a problem that is at risk for dying because of global warming?
