AirBNB owner can’t remove woman from her home due to California’s 30 day squatter rights

808s & Villainy · Mar 20, 2023

I don't know why people find it so odd you can rent an Airbnb for 30 days...do some of you not live in cities?

For instance different neighborhoods/properties can have different move out and move in days. One time I had a gap of a month before I could move into a new place and got an Airbnb for a month. They give you a pretty significant discount so it costs the same as normally renting a random spot for a month.

And it had other rooms with other people also only here temporarily for programs. It's not that odd

Surakian · Mar 20, 2023

Lexad said:
Legally they can't in California

yeah I know I live here.

But I'm telling you if this was somebody squatting in somebody's Beverly Hills home, the law wouldn't even matter and they would have been removed.

CupOfDoom · Mar 20, 2023

Isn't it like rule 1 of renting your house out on AirBnB, to not let someone stay for 30 days.

Anything past like 14 days feels like tempting fate

Slayven · Mar 20, 2023

how do hotels deal with this? Or do they have protection from this sort of thing?

Falchion · Mar 20, 2023

That's a terrifying situation for a landlord.

Spinluck · Mar 20, 2023

Slayven said:
how do hotels deal with this? Or do they have protection from this sort of thing?

pretty sure hotels and hostels have a 14-day or so limit to avoid shit like this

from my understanding, it has to be 30 consecutive days so even leaving for a few days the rebooking resets you?

can anyone more knowledgeable clarify?

Jedi2016 · Mar 20, 2023

Oh, they'd leave.

People in these situations don't seem to get creative enough when getting people to want to leave.

game-biz · Mar 20, 2023

Squatters are such shitty human beings.

Josh5890 · Mar 20, 2023

Jedi2016 said:
Oh, they'd leave.

People in these situations don't seem to get creative enough when getting people to want to leave.

Tony Soprano enters the chat

Frodo · Mar 20, 2023

Johnzyboi said:

She like "Don't come to my door, that's all I know" and

Slayven · Mar 20, 2023

Hold on, pitching a sitcom to Tubi

Keuja · Mar 20, 2023

I'd just blast music super loud in the middle of the night, every night.

elLOaSTy · Mar 20, 2023

Surakian said:
If this was a white person's house, they would have already been removed by the cops.

You'd be surprised. We have two houses on our block that have become major issues with drugs, crime, fires ect but the squatters have yet to be removed and the owner is a white guy. This is in Los Angeles.

One of them which is partly burned out husk that has become where people go to do drugs and leave garbage and use the bathroom, everyone in the neighborhood has been trying to get rid of them. it was meant to be condemned but the squatting has put a hold on that its been years at this point.

AlgusUnderdunk · Mar 20, 2023

I'd hope my new guest was comfortable with clowns. Lots and lots of clowns.

collige · Mar 20, 2023

808s & Villainy said:
I don't know why people find it so odd you can rent an Airbnb for 30 days...do some of you not live in cities?

For instance different neighborhoods/properties can have different move out and move in days. One time I had a gap of a month before I could move into a new place and got an Airbnb for a month. They give you a pretty significant discount so it costs the same as normally renting a random spot for a month.

And it had other rooms with other people also only here temporarily for programs. It's not that odd

Well yeah it's cheaper, it's a service entirely based on dodging existing regulations that normally exist for hotels and spots you can rent for a month.

The only issue here is that the AirBNB owner didn't bother checking the regulations they've been trying to dodge.

Spinluck said:
pretty sure hotels and hostels have a 14-day or so limit to avoid shit like this

from my understanding, it has to be 30 consecutive days so even leaving for a few days the rebooking resets you?

can anyone more knowledgeable clarify?

This is exactly how it worked in a movie at least. In The Florida Project, Willem Dafoe was running a black market long term rental business out of a motel and he would force everyone to live in a hotel across the street for a few days every month so they couldn't legally establish residency.

Surakian · Mar 20, 2023

elLOaSTy said:
You'd be surprised. We have two houses on our block that have become major issues with drugs, crime, fires ect but the squatters have yet to be removed and the owner is a white guy. This is in Los Angeles.

One of them which is partly burned out husk that has become where people go to do drugs and leave garbage and use the bathroom, everyone in the neighborhood has been trying to get rid of them. it was meant to be condemned but the squatting has put a hold on that its been years at this point.

I think it tips over into the territory of cops not wanting to have anything to do with homeless people. They actively avoid any homeless situation if they can.

So yeah there are limits to white privilege on that end.

StreetsAhead · Mar 20, 2023

Johnzyboi said:
I do find it funny most of y'all assume you could afford a house.

Maybe I'm missing something, but what's the point of this comment?

Funkelpop · Mar 20, 2023

machtia said:
Thank you! This is a landlord-tenant issue. It has nothing to do with squatter's rights.

But are you a landlord if you just rented out a Airbnb?

808s & Villainy · Mar 20, 2023

collige said:
Well yeah it's cheaper, it's a service entirely based on dodging existing regulations that normally exist for hotels and spots you can rent for a month.

The only issue here is that the AirBNB owner didn't bother checking the regulations they've been trying to dodge.

if you need to rent something for a month short notice, then what? are you supposed to just bum around? rent like 5 different places? it's a service that isn't served normally

ArrogantBastard · Mar 20, 2023

Trust me, if you pulled that on me you would be paying me to let you out of the house.

elLOaSTy · Mar 20, 2023

Surakian said:
I think it tips over into the territory of cops not wanting to have anything to do with homeless people. They actively avoid any homeless situation if they can.

So yeah there are limits to white privilege on that end.

My point is more that the laws around occupying someones home can be beyond unreasonable, it's become a real safety issue with assaults and fires here now and yet nothing seems to get done about these houses which are burned out and destroyed need to be leveled but the city wont do fuck all. This woman is going to be dealing with this for a very long time.

That being said if people want to start destroying Air BnB by squatting I guess maybe there's a silver lining/

GrimGrinningGuy · Mar 20, 2023

My subwoofer would be at 11 right next to their door all day long.
All the food would be gone.
If you have food delivers so you don't leave the house I am eating it

Funkelpop · Mar 20, 2023

Can the owner for example strip nude and walk around naked all day if they wanted to? It's in the privacy of their home after all right? Shit, how about bringing a nudist colony over for game night and sitting on all the couches. 😊

Khezu · Mar 20, 2023

Oh shit my 1000 pet Scorpions all broke out of their enclosure and into your room.

elLOaSTy · Mar 20, 2023

Funkelpop said:
Can the owner for example strip nude and walk around naked all day if they wanted to? It's in the privacy of their home after all right? Shit, how about bringing a nudist colony over for game night and sitting on all the couches. 😊

In her scenario where the woman is basically just living with her I would get some kind of fumigation going, let her breathe poison if she chooses not to vacate.

collige · Mar 20, 2023

808s & Villainy said:
if you need to rent something for a month short notice, then what? are you supposed to just bum around? rent like 5 different places? it's a service that isn't served normally

If it's exactly 30 days and you desperately wanted to avoid a month-to-month lease, you wouldn't need more than two hotels. AFAIK hotels are regulated separately from normal rentals and I have no clue how CA rental laws apply to them; it's possible there's no limit on stay length in a real hotel because as legit business they have other ways of dealing with this issue that has surely come up before. Quick Googling indicates that they'll charge super expensive real rent to anyone there over a month and I'm sure they're making sure you're good for days 1-29 beforehand.

But for that to apply here, the AirBNB owner would need to not be dodging hotel regulations. As it stands, they're trying to get the best of both worlds between hotels and rentals by pretending that neither is what's actually going on. The only way I can see this situation happening is if the homeowner was letting just anyone rent for up to 29 days and then never actually checking on their property themselves.

CupOfDoom · Mar 20, 2023

Why is everyone sudenly advocating for harassment.

Laws like this exist to protect tenants from landlords, the solution is to start the process of a legal eviction or, just simply don't let someone stay in your house for a month.

ArrogantBastard · Mar 20, 2023

CupOfDoom said:
Why is everyone sudenly advocating for harassment.

Because you are squatting in my fucking house, gtfo.

krazen · Mar 20, 2023

CupOfDoom said:
Why is everyone sudenly advocating for harassment.

Laws like this exist to protect tenants from landlords, the solution is to start the process of a legal eviction or, just simply don't let someone stay in your house for a month.

Yup. Friend of mine was kinda the super for a brownstone split up into multiple apartment with roommates for a steep discount on her rent. One roommate moved a person in to rent the room who promised to pay her deposit/first month rent after the 30 days and immediately had mail sent to the house within the first week. My friend peeped game and they had a 'conversation' and she moved out the next day.

Saito · Mar 20, 2023

Air BnB owner? Meh. Their both shitty people so let them fight.

Moebius · Mar 20, 2023

Keuja said:
I'd just blast music super loud in the middle of the night, every night.

Meshuggah on full blast, all day, every day.

Soapbox Killer · Mar 20, 2023

Spinluck said:
pretty sure hotels and hostels have a 14-day or so limit to avoid shit like this

from my understanding, it has to be 30 consecutive days so even leaving for a few days the rebooking resets you?

can anyone more knowledgeable clarify?

Depends on the local law however:
Most Hotels and Hostels can't be a residency for ANYONE so those laws don't apply. They are not zoned for such a thing when they get their permits. I can't sleep in the 24 hour post office for 30 days and now it's my home. Also there are long term rentals that exceed 30 days at commercial property. Students, Travel nurses and other road jobs use these places all the time.

CupOfDoom said:
Why is everyone sudenly advocating for harassment.

Laws like this exist to protect tenants from landlords, the solution is to start the process of a legal eviction or, just simply don't let someone stay in your house for a month.

Most people are not scum bags, however for those that abuse the system, it can take years to evict a person. Do you think it is reasonable for someone to be able to live in a place rent free for months because they paid 31 days of fees?

ElFly · Mar 20, 2023

absolute hero, all the people calling for harrassment are just advocating for landlords

down with airbnb

Newlib · Mar 20, 2023

Soapbox Killer said:
Depends on the local law however:
Most Hotels and Hostels can't be a residency for ANYONE so those laws don't apply. They are not zoned for such a thing when they get their permits. I can't sleep in the 24 hour post office for 30 days and now it's my home. Also there are long term rentals that exceed 30 days at commercial property. Students, Travel nurses and other road jobs use these places all the time.

Most people are not scum bags, however for those that abuse the system, it can take years to evict a person. Do you think it is reasonable for someone to be able to live in a place rent free for months because they paid 31 days of fees?

It does not take years to evict a person. Jesus Christ the hysteria in this thread. All it takes is one landlord telling their slanted facts for over half this forum to nod approvingly that landlords should be able to beat the shit out of their tenants.

Bunch of fucking wannabe slum lords in here

jph139 · Mar 20, 2023

Owner didn't know her rights, squatter did. Sometimes you just get outsmarted.

It's a bad idea to rent out your place of primary residence in any situation, but if you have to, make sure you do your research first. The laws are stacked in favor of property owners regardless, least they can do is read the fine print.

McScroggz · Mar 20, 2023

kidnemo said:
I love your optimism.

This is all well and good - but you can't get blood from a stone.

True, but it might deter some and in cases where you can get blood from the stone there's a law in place to do so.

NinjaScooter · Mar 20, 2023

Soapbox Killer said:
Most people are not scum bags, however for those that abuse the system, it can take years to evict a person. Do you think it is reasonable for someone to be able to live in a place rent free for months because they paid 31 days of fees?

Depends on the situation and how often these types of things occur. It for every one person who abuses the system there are countless who are protected by these rights, is that a fair trade off? Do we just not get news articles every time a tenant is able to avoid exploitation or harassment from their landlords?

onpoint · Mar 20, 2023

DrForester said:
Padlock on the bathroom.

This will create more problems than it solves lol

Dalek · Mar 20, 2023

Pretty shitty situation. I feel bad for the owner. My mom had a similar situation with a roommate in Delaware and it turned into a nightmare for her.

Judau · Mar 20, 2023

ElFly said:
absolute hero, all the people calling for harrassment are just advocating for landlords

On an unrelated note, let me chill at your place for 30 days.

Dalek · Mar 20, 2023

josh924 said:
On an unrelated note, let me chill at your place for 30 days.

"that's different"

ItIsOkBro · Mar 20, 2023

oh god she lives there as well? that's just awkward

SevKnight · Mar 20, 2023

You don't kick out the squatter, you out-squat the squatter. I'd be in there tooting obnoxious farts, hogging the bathroom and eating all the food.

Soapbox Killer · Mar 20, 2023

Newlib said:
It does not take years to evict a person. Jesus Christ the hysteria in this thread. All it takes is one landlord telling their slanted facts for over half this forum to nod approvingly that landlords should be able to beat the shit out of their tenants.

Bunch of fucking wannabe slum lords in here

If you know the laws and know tenats rights in your area you can drag out the process for 12 months easily. I'm not sure what you may have read in this thread but I have seen it multiple times. Might be different where you are from

Joe2187 · Mar 20, 2023

Simply r

onpoint said:
This will create more problems than it solves lol

Dont got to come to her door if you remove the door...

Thats my door now, whatcha gonna do?

GMM · Mar 20, 2023

CupOfDoom said:
Why is everyone sudenly advocating for harassment.

Laws like this exist to protect tenants from landlords, the solution is to start the process of a legal eviction or, just simply don't let someone stay in your house for a month.

Well, she's clearly abusing these laws to occupy the residence of someone who doesn't want her there, she's being a complete asshole if the story is how it seems.

Situations like these could end up negatively affecting people who need actual protection as it could force laws to change, so it's pretty clear why people would have less empathy towards the "squatter". I don't advocate for harassment either, even if the squatter is essentially doing that herself, but she doesn't deserve any pity either.

Ultimately this is on the homeowner and AirBnb, she should have known the local laws in her area and AirBnb should under no circumstance allow stay lengths that long without the property owner signing a waiver. Everyone is in the wrong in this case, but the "squatter" is extra shit for abusing a loophole to occupy this property.

StopMakingSense · Mar 20, 2023

Soapbox Killer said:
If you know the laws and know tenats rights in your area you can drag out the process for 12 months easily. I'm not sure what you may have read in this thread but I have seen it multiple times. Might be different where you are from

Well in the case of the OP video the person is just a lodger so it's a mere 30 day notice to vacate.

Trup1aya · Mar 20, 2023

CupOfDoom said:
Why is everyone sudenly advocating for harassment.

Laws like this exist to protect tenants from landlords, the solution is to start the process of a legal eviction or, just simply don't let someone stay in your house for a month.

This tenant doesn't deserve protection. She's abusing the law for personal gain, so I really wouldn't have sympathy if the owner decided to make the "tenant" uncomfortable … within the law, of course.

Dalek · Mar 20, 2023

I did a search and I found this story posted to Reddit yesterday. It says this video is over a year old and there were never any updates.

Soapbox Killer · Mar 20, 2023

NinjaScooter said:
Depends on the situation and how often these types of things occur. It for every one person who abuses the system there are countless who are protected by these rights, is that a fair trade off? Do we just not get news articles every time a tenant is able to avoid exploitation or harassment from their landlords?

I'm not against tenants rights at all. I'm against people housejacking.

StopMakingSense said:
Well in the case of the OP video the person is just a lodger so it's a mere 30 day notice to vacate.

Laws move to slow for the times and there should be something in places for this type of situation as it reads in the OP. What happens (And I don't know in California) if the tenant files an appeal on day 29? Probably needs to appear before a judge or magistrate and what happens then if the plaintiff cant make court? I know there is a lot of "if" coming off what I'm saying but the more knowledge folks have the more they get away with .

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