So 18% IPC improvement when compared to CPUs from 2015. That is not very exciting to me. What is that compared to coffee lake, a 5% improvement maybe?Will hold off til next year. Sunny Cove is supposed to bring ~18% average IPC gains over Skylake
So 18% IPC improvement when compared to CPUs from 2015. That is not very exciting to me. What is that compared to coffee lake, a 5% improvement maybe?Will hold off til next year. Sunny Cove is supposed to bring ~18% average IPC gains over Skylake
So 18% IPC improvement when compared to CPUs from 2015. That is not very exciting to me. What is that compared to coffee lake, a 5% improvement maybe?
And that's why i still have an i7 4770k and until recently i had no bottleneck issues with it even with my RTX 2060, i mean i'm glad AMD is doing a great product and i want to upgrade to them, but i also want to keep it for a few years without needing to replace it too often
Things are likely to change radically when new consoles launch. 8/16 zen 2 cpus will be utilized fully for only 30 fps. Add in the overhead and worse optimization on PCs and high framerate gaming may be a thing of the past
I've been using an i5-4600k for four and a half years now, and the only two games that have made it choke are Arma 3 and Kingdom Come. Haven't OC'd it. Plan to probably replace it next year.
What has even happened in that time period for AMD and Intel CPUs? When I bought my last one people were talking about still being able to game with 2500ks (albiet overclocked).
Can you play any new Ubisoft game above or at 60?I've been using an i5-4600k for four and a half years now, and the only two games that have made it choke are Arma 3 and Kingdom Come. Haven't OC'd it. Plan to probably replace it next year.
What has even happened in that time period for AMD and Intel CPUs? When I bought my last one people were talking about still being able to game with 2500ks (albiet overclocked).
I agree that early cross gen games that are likely to run at 60 fps on new consoles wont be anything different than today, but i dont expect 60 fps to become much more common once devs abandon the current consoles. I think devs will just utilize the extra grunt to dial other areas up. They will also not just leave the cpu idle while gpu limited. They will find ways to use the resources available. Coding to a single spec benefitCrossgen multiplats should prevent games that have pc versions from being "8c16t 3.4gz fully utilised for 30fps" at least for the first year or two. And I do expect that 60fps gaming on console will be as common as now or more except for next gen only open world games.
It's also conceivable that while using a lot more CPU power, a fair few 30fps games will be mainly graphics bottlenecked, and not really fully utilised. But it's gonna be a far cry from 2013 consoles launching with far less power than 2011 i5 cpus.
Will hold off til next year. Sunny Cove is supposed to bring ~18% average IPC gains over Skylake
Desktop Sunny Cove is 2022 afaik. Until then Skylake+++++++++++ 14+++++++++++nmWill hold off til next year. Sunny Cove is supposed to bring ~18% average IPC gains over Skylake
Wow still this far off?Desktop Sunny Cove is 2022 afaik. Until then Skylake+++++++++++ 14+++++++++++nm
9900K still beats it though.Wow, AMD is now on another level. Kudos to them for bringing the competition back!
This is a 200usd processor, btw https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-5-3600-zen-2-7nm-cpu-review-published-online/
That really is not coming any time soon. Ice Lake (mobile 10nm) has a 18% ipc gain using dubious methods by Intel. But let's take 18% at face value.
They've gained there that but with these 2 and 4-core Ice Lake mobile processors it appears they've lost 10-15% clockspeed compared to Intel's current 15W and 35W processors.
Regardless, I believe the next two desktop processor launches from Intel will actually still be on 14nm++++, which is bonkers. The last will have to fight Ryzen 4000.
Desktop Sunny Cove is 2022 afaik. Until then Skylake+++++++++++ 14+++++++++++nm
We have no good info suggesting it's 2022+ before we move to Sunny Cove on desktop (whether that's 14nm, 10nm, or revised 10nm). We're getting 15w laptops this year and servers 1H next year. Desktop could be 2H 2020, or any time 2021. The roadmap that made people freak out was labelled as "SIPP" which is a separate release schedule from normal parts, and not all parts make it into that program (assuming it's even real).
The (flagship Intel) $500 CPU beats the (lowest end Zen 3) $200 CPU? Shock.
July 7th.
RAM prices are falling down, and there is no sign this will stop. Retailers will maybe hold the current prices when Ryzen 3000 launch, but industry analysts are predicting prices to continue going down.Hm, might finally be time to upgrade my 2500K. RAM is still pricey as hell, yes?
6 core low end Ryzen vs 8 core high end Intel which is almost 2.5x more expensive.
So when Intel refreshes everything they'll still likely beat them out if their processor that's based on pretty old generation stuff beats AMD's newer stuff.6 core low end Ryzen vs 8 core high end Intel which is almost 2.5x more expensive.
So? It being on par with 2700X in most benchmarks there doesn't really excite me. FC5 is the only bench which does show promise.
Which is $20 more than 3600, yeah. So it may be a direct competition after the price drop.
Then they would be against Zen 3, not Zen 2. And Zen 4 is coming already in 2021, with 5nm.If the rumors are true, it is either late 2020 or it falls into 2021 because of the issues they have been having but we will see.
However, most engines used in such high-end games scale decently these days, and by the time that games are no longer cross-gen, and given AMDs current trajectory, there will be PC CPUs available with twice as many cores (and with each core being significantly faster than in consoles). There might still be problems with specific games which don't scale well, but the general performance should easily be there.Things are likely to change radically when new consoles launch. 8/16 zen 2 cpus will be utilized fully for only 30 fps. Add in the overhead and worse optimization on PCs and high framerate gaming may be a thing of the past
I'm still on Sandy Bridge. But yeah...those 16 cores are looking tempting. Actually anticipating when those benchmarks are released.I think the hyperbole is largely due to AMD being so behind in CPU for so long combined with Intel stagnation and constantly changing sockets and chipsets to an excessive degree. It was especially irritating how they used process nodes to massively improve the IGP instead of spending more than token efforts on improving the actual CPU cores. Sure, if you use integrated graphics it's okayish, but let's be honest, even the best Intel IGP went from terrible to moderately less terrible, yet on your typical Intel s115x die, the damn IGP uses half the space and transistor count, utterly worthless for dGPU users unless they've got a major use case for quicksync.
The truth is that AMD has bumped up from second rate to competent (1000 series) to very good (2000 series) to a full rough equal (but with more cores for the $) in pretty short order (3000 series). All on one socket :)
For gamers with recent Intel builds, it's a big meh. But for new builds or upgrades to 1000/2000 series, it's stellar.
At least that's the way I parse the hyperbole. Intel is of course fine, and making stacks of cash.
I hope so. I dont recall many games that scale particularly well passed 4 cores. Performance improves but returns get very diminished with each additional core. Also just in case i didnt word it clearly, when i say high framerate im referring to framerates well above 60However, most engines used in such high-end games scale decently these days, and by the time that games are no longer cross-gen, and given AMDs current trajectory, there will be PC CPUs available with twice as many cores (and with each core being significantly faster than in consoles). There might still be problems with specific games which don't scale well, but the general performance should easily be there.
Didn't Intel just say they were dropping their proces to be in line or closer to AMDs prices?It's a $200 USD CPU matching a $500 Intel CPU in gaming performance.
Didn't Intel just say they were dropping their proces to be in line or closer to AMDs prices?
Holy shit, dropped to half price in the last 12 months? That's goddamned glorious. Hopefully those drops are reflected here in Australia too.RAM prices are falling down, and there is no sign this will stop. Retailers will maybe hold the current prices when Ryzen 3000 launch, but industry analysts are predicting prices to continue going down.
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edit - here's one 3600MHz for propper Ryzen 3000 usage :)
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Some people do like to downplay AMD, people forget that they came from the horrible bulldozer with a tenth of the RD from Intel and even then they came with a very competitive product without dispute on a price to performance ratio and core count.
If Zen arch didn't exist (or if it was a Bulldozer 2.0) we would still be rocking an Intel 4c/8t CPU with premium prices.
What?So when Intel refreshes everything they'll still likely beat them out if their processor that's based on pretty old generation stuff beats AMD's newer stuff.
If Zen arch didn't exist (or if it was a Bulldozer 2.0) we would still be rocking an Intel 4c/8t CPU with premium prices.
The Far Cry 5 test makes me wonder how it compares to a 9600k or 8700k in gaming.
What does this mean for next gen consoles? Nothing? Alright then!
so it's still slower than a 9900k, a 9 month old processor. good job AMD?
Could look into swapping it out for a Xeon. X5670/X5680 would be a decent upgrade
If you gonna wait for Intel wait until 2021 . They will bring 7nm cpu and will destroy everything.Will hold off til next year. Sunny Cove is supposed to bring ~18% average IPC gains over Skylake
Just after the inevitable 2 years with cross gen games. So an upgrade now will be good until 2022.Intel has had the same ipc since skylake. Coffee lake is the exact same tech
Things are likely to change radically when new consoles launch. 8/16 zen 2 cpus will be utilized fully for only 30 fps. Add in the overhead and worse optimization on PCs and high framerate gaming may be a thing of the past
Remember that amd 7nm is equivalent to Intel's 10nm process.I think 2H 2020 is more realistic than 2022, but would be best case scenario. That will mean Intel's desktop 10nm having to fight 7nm+ Ryzen 4000 with +4-6% IPC and +5% clockspeed over what's coming July 7. Intel will only be able to come out of that battle not on life support if they can get 8-core and 10-core 10nm CPUs clocked higher than 4.3Ghz and closer to 5Ghz. All evidence suggests they are struggling with this feat and then some. Like I said, 2-core 10nm processors from them max out at only 4.3Ghz boost so it doesn't look promising.
Yes yes, and why isn't intel 9600K in these leaked benchmarks? Because maybe these leaked benchmarks are heavily GPU dependant (such as superposition 4K) and if it was compared to lower end intel CPUs then AMD's 200$ CPU wouldn't look as impressive? I mean look at what's happening with FC5.You're joking right?
It's a non overclocked cpu that has 65w tdp, is only 6 core compared to i9's 8core/16 thread chip that is overclocked. Plus it's on a board with a early bios for support, and not a x570 board which handles memory a lot better.
6 core is $200, i9 9900 is $500.
This is huge.
Being able to build a more cost efficient gaming PC that won't be obsolete in a year is now possible again.