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Angry Joe Battlefield V rant
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Fair point, but that was such a different game compared to the rest. I truly doubt BFV will be flop. It might have a sort of Rainbow Six Seige surge after release if anything.
They flubbed the marketing, the incels are very hard to drown out making it seem like everyone is against the game and the Beta hasn't arrived yet despite the game releasing in two months (though this is typical for Battlefield, this sort of practice isn't common for betas anymore.)
They're fighting an uphill battle.
They're fighting an uphill battle.
I was actually very defensive of the women thing in the reveal trailer, and was fairly excited for the game as the details sound very tactical and hardcore, however, my hype dropped to zero instantly after seeing the alpha gameplay & livestreams, the game just feels too much like BF1 (lighting, color pattern, texture and UI) and almost seems kinda boring if I have to be perfectly honest, at least it ''looks'' boring to me.
This is borderline my least hyped Battlefield game ever, I was more hyped about Hardline than this.
This is borderline my least hyped Battlefield game ever, I was more hyped about Hardline than this.
The ratio of likes to dislikes is insane to me. That there are that many pathetic manchildren out there.
Oh hey, Angry Joe still exists.
That wasn't a good video. He doesn't present any evidence to make his case. He just says, "You think it's because of this thing, well I think it's because of this thing", while saying "SJWs" in a stupid voice.
That's not going to convince anyone who wasn't already on your side. I see the dislike ratio is not being particularly kind to him.
As for BFV... eh. I was initially put off by the WWII thing. That conflict has been done to fucking death. Then the reveal got me back on board with its goofy comic book version of WWII. Now after seeing actual gameplay... eh. It just looks like WWII vanilla. I'll probably pick it up because I do like the BF formula and I'm completely uninterested in RDR2 or COD. Not remotely excited for it though. Maybe the beta will change my mind.
That wasn't a good video. He doesn't present any evidence to make his case. He just says, "You think it's because of this thing, well I think it's because of this thing", while saying "SJWs" in a stupid voice.
That's not going to convince anyone who wasn't already on your side. I see the dislike ratio is not being particularly kind to him.
As for BFV... eh. I was initially put off by the WWII thing. That conflict has been done to fucking death. Then the reveal got me back on board with its goofy comic book version of WWII. Now after seeing actual gameplay... eh. It just looks like WWII vanilla. I'll probably pick it up because I do like the BF formula and I'm completely uninterested in RDR2 or COD. Not remotely excited for it though. Maybe the beta will change my mind.
How come? It was surprisingly enjoyable. The PC version seems solid as well.
I had a better time than I did with the BFV Alpha
I think its just the last several years of DICE dropping the ball finally catching up to them.
Battlefield 1 was unexciting for what it was Battlefront 1 and 2 where obviously didnt do anyone any favors.
BFV seems OK and I dont see any giant red flags with it. It looks like its going to be "fine" in the same way Battlefield 1 was "fine". But that is kinda dull and probably isnt going to stop a lot of the online crowd from playing Fortnite or buying COD again
Battlefield 1 was unexciting for what it was Battlefront 1 and 2 where obviously didnt do anyone any favors.
BFV seems OK and I dont see any giant red flags with it. It looks like its going to be "fine" in the same way Battlefield 1 was "fine". But that is kinda dull and probably isnt going to stop a lot of the online crowd from playing Fortnite or buying COD again
I think BATTLEFIELD V will be great, especially once everyone sees that it is closer to Bad Company 2 than any other BATTLEFIELD game.
I do think the marketing for BFV has been a complete disaster, and they really need to step their shit up... Especially when it comes to trailers, now that Roland Smedberg is gone.
I do think the marketing for BFV has been a complete disaster, and they really need to step their shit up... Especially when it comes to trailers, now that Roland Smedberg is gone.
I wish the release during the holiday season thing died. I get why they do it, I just don't like it.
Isn't this the first major EA game after Battlefront 2? Yeah the karma from that clusterfuck plus previous screw ups is finally catching up to them. I'm pretty sure there's a major overlap between SWBF and BF players, and those people burnt by SWBF2 are probably staying away from this, at least until reviews start dropping. And of course women-hating losers are there to take the credit as always.
"Eh. Fuck EA"
Absolutely, 100% why I'm not buying this after buying every god damned Battlefield game minus Hardline.
Absolutely, 100% why I'm not buying this after buying every god damned Battlefield game minus Hardline.
Yeah, they get insulted and they come out like a swarm.
It's scary to watch.
Yeah I find that pretty weird too. The game's entire roadmap is a huge mea culpa for past transgressions. No season pass. No microtransactions. Free content over time that keeps the entire player base together over the life of the game.
This is what the end result of 'Fuck EA' actually brought and the response is still 'Fuck EA'. k.
Have they announced what is there day 1? and a dlc roadmap? I won't buy because I don't trust them ill let someone else be the guinea pig. Plenty of other games to buy and play. If it ends up being good ill buy BFV on when its on sale.
Just for every reason he stated in the video. But I agree the Black Ops 4 beta was great. I can't wait to see what is in store for the Blackout beta
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No this is another massive issue. They havent announced anything apart from it happening. And based on EA and DICE in the past they believe one month news posts are road maps so dont think you'll get some sort of extended 6 month road map like you should.
I don't understand why this "weak" pre-orders is even a narrative we're giving credence. CoD has always sold better, and RDR2 is RDR2. Is being behind those two really newsworthy in the first place? And BF1 was so extremely hyped up that it would be surprising if the very next game didn't cool the series a little. Very few IPs just grow and grow forever. Hell, has anything except GTA and maybe soon RDR managed?
When did this happen?
https://www.gamasutra.com/view/news..._on_backlash_against_women_in_Battlefield.php
Soderlund is clearly calling out one viewpoint here.
Yep. The headline is being twisted as a victory for shitheads.
"Game not as popular as year's two most popular games" probably doesn't make as many waves or get as many clicks. Who knew.
This is a fantastic post btw.I mean, this was EA 18 years ago.
It's not a matter of "It's <current year>". Female characters in FPS games did not make anyone blink in the late 90s, early 2000s. Delta Force? Female playable characters. Rainbow 6? Female playable characters. Medal of Honor? Female protagonist. There were five FPS games in 2000 with female leads. Something changed in the mid 2000s. A demographic and ideological shift. DICE could have put female fighters in Battlefield 1942 and there would have been very little outrage. Of course some would have raised objections and questioned the game's balance of fun and historical accuracy. But those discussions are inevitable. Nothing like the current internet fury.
I think there's this very misleading idea that we started out dudebro and we're slowly getting "better". But it's really not that simple. Doom was originally supposed to have male and female protagonists. Tom Hall got kicked out, and we ended up with Doom Guy instead. But those protagonists ended up in Rise of the Triad, which was a reasonably popular game.
You know what? If Doom had featured a female protagonist, the public would not have cared in the 90s. They would have assumed Doom Girl was some Ellen Ripley figure. (Remember that Doom was originally based on Alien.) Fast forward to 2018, and something that would have been wholly uncontroversial in the 90s is suddenly a big deal. (Female protagonist in the low budget Doom movie attracts a lot of hate, for instance.) If the next Doom game had a female protagonist there would be so much petty internet outrage. Boycotts. Petitions. Hate mail. Something changed 10-15 years ago. Around the time the "teenage boy-slash-screaming-10-year-old" demographic became the primary focus for publishers. In particular, the FPS genre began to attract (and target through marketing and design changes such as removing female characters) a sort of hard to pin down "jock" demographic. Very competitive, very male, very American. That ended up shaping the FPS genre in a pretty extreme way. edit: Remember when Call of Duty games weren't all about America? I can. After Modern Warfare, the international aspect of Call of Duty was rapidly eroded. You might have non-American team-mates, but you were almost always a red blooded American man.
I was thinking the same thing a couple of days ago. 20 years ago nobody gave a flying f**k when games had women as main characters. Be it first or third person. It's hard to pin down at what time in the last decade the "hate" for women started to rise. I still don't get why people get so angry at women. I mean.. Like seriously wtf. I can't even try to understand it.
People crying about the inclusion of women (what is also historically correct) are the definition of losers.
It happened on reddit a lot when DICE were commenting on things. There were people who didnt like the fact that the uniforms werent something standard in WW2 and this was british uniforms so things like soldiers not wearing helments and prothestics being used. And one of the devs blew up on them about not wanting women in video games, but the post never mentioned women at all. This happened multiple times with multiple people. Then it got all nuked in the end because it turned into an even more toxic shit hole and became ammunition for the people that were against women in the game.
If Joe or Jim Sterling are against a game it makes me think it might just be for me.
Really can't stand what those 2 have become.
Really can't stand what those 2 have become.
The thing that pisses me off about these idiots is the excuses they make to try and absolve their sexism. That shit annoys the fuck outta me. Just be real. "Man" up and admit that you hate women as a concept in your video game of choice.
I'll have to take your word for it. It makes sense though, doesn't it? If 'historical accuracy' is supposedly the thing these people hold most dear then they shouldn't buy the game. Instead of just moving on from a game whose vision the 'historical accuracy' crowd is at odds with, they'll shit on it, commiserate with those using 'historical accuracy' as a more PC stance than their dislike of women and minorities and make everyone who is actually interested in the game have a shittier time keeping up with it.
I can't think of a better response than 'don't like it, don't buy it' if you aren't down with what they are selling. I guess I shouldn't have underestimated a gamer's penchant for throwing a tantrum when a dev actually stood up to the mob for once and called them on their bullshit.
You should watch the video.
Eh, I'll support them when they support the Nintendo Switch properly Until then they can fuck off.
THANK YOU FOR THIS
I'm tired when I see people explaining what's wrong with Battlefield V and then another person comes in saying "OH YOU DON'T LIKE IT BECAUSE OF WOMEN".
There were people who actually raged because Battlefield V has female characters, but now I don't really see that rage. I see other, really good points, like stupid cosmetics, etc. I wish the other side would analyze other points drom BV haters too, not only "it has women in it".
Or the recommended videos yikes youtube algorithms at its finest.
it's not the first time battlefield released in a busy month...so i don't think the problem it's the release date
an ill will towards EA though? definitely...EA's stock in terms of reputation among gamers are at the lowest they have ever been
can't really say about the marketing since i don't follow the franchise.
the part about women is and has always been a noisy minority
an ill will towards EA though? definitely...EA's stock in terms of reputation among gamers are at the lowest they have ever been
can't really say about the marketing since i don't follow the franchise.
the part about women is and has always been a noisy minority
Is it really the noisy minority or are these the numbnuts who tend to buy these games on day 1?
It was literally a post complaining about the uniforms though. And it wasnt even about them not being Nazi uniforms he was complaining about the british ones and helmets etc. The main issue was he targeted someone and threw them in with the dickheads because he critised the uniform and lack of helmets. That isn't remotely close to complaining about women being in it. I'm trying to find the link because it ended up being screenshotted and posted again but when I do I'll post it.
That's FIFA time, doubt EA would want their two biggest hitters that close.
They should've went to November and tried their hardest to get the BR mode day 1 imo.
So I haven't payed attention, was it just the (I believe) multiplayer trailer that featured the woman, or was there something else?
considering how many copies this franchise sells, i doubt you can identifiy the entire userbase in an entire category, let alone one as extremist as whatever people concerned about women in battlefield call themselves
I have to disagree with this. I think it will get overshadowed by both of those games.
Man those comments.
Back when the whole "Them SJWs in muh games" thing started I would honestly expect Joe to fall for this shit, and I'm so happy that I was completely wrong.
Back when the whole "Them SJWs in muh games" thing started I would honestly expect Joe to fall for this shit, and I'm so happy that I was completely wrong.
Anytime I read someone crying "b-b-b-but historical accuracy!!!" I just automatically assume they are:
1) Dumb piece of shit
or
2) Sexist piece of shit
There were many women who gave their lives in WW2. Yes, they were massively out numbered compared to the amount of men, but having women in the game is NOT historically inaccurate.
Not that these lonely snowflakes would give a shit about WW2 historical accuracy anyways.
1) Dumb piece of shit
or
2) Sexist piece of shit
There were many women who gave their lives in WW2. Yes, they were massively out numbered compared to the amount of men, but having women in the game is NOT historically inaccurate.
Not that these lonely snowflakes would give a shit about WW2 historical accuracy anyways.
It is closest to BF2 spiritually as any of those games. The alpha was rough. ran really poorly (to be expected), and I'm not super crazy about the map they picked. But the game is already better than BF1.
Once this thing hits open beta I expect the narrative around the game to change completely. It's on EA and DICE at that point to deliver enough launch content and a SP effort that isn't completely throwaway.
None of these guy's seem to know battlefield was never about historical accuracy. The first battlefield (1942) had a expansion with jet packs . I'd like to see the reaction to that now.
I also believe the marketing has been pretty bad up until now.
The gamescom trailer is amazing and once open beta is here it will definitely turn around for the better.
I also believe the marketing has been pretty bad up until now.
The gamescom trailer is amazing and once open beta is here it will definitely turn around for the better.