Is this hollow marketing though? This wasn't revealed anywhere as a selling point. People discovered it through the game play. The complete opposite of the bullshit Disney does.
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Animal Crossing: New Horizons features Nintendo's first openly gay couple [UPDATE: False alarm. See threadmarks]
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I read that like three times through, but I still dont see it. Seems like a business partner to me 🤷♂️
Yeah, and not only that, but I feel pretty certain it wasn't written like that originally. Just something changed in the translation. It's better than nothing, but I want a lot more.
I think on its own, if it were something Nintendo promoted the game with and was seeking praise for, it would be fine to criticize it as hollow. They didn't, though.
The fact that we have seen these changes by Treehouse tells me that there was a lot of consideration and thought put into this. Direct your scorn and anger at Nintendo Japan, not NoA.
Thank you for clarifying. I was wrong.
You both are right. People figured it, out and I am approaching it too seriously. I think it is awesome that people figured this out, and I hope we can find more queerness in this game we all love so much.
The fact clothing isn't "gender" specific says a lot
Plus the way the character poses when you change outfits in your wardrobe 😂
Yeah, whenever I talk about my business partner, I also go "Gosh, he's soooooooo talented <3<3".
I mean, no one in this game talks the way people actually talk.
In which case applying regional semantics (like Soapbox Person has) to the way the characters talk is meaningless.
Based on the tweet someone posted, CJ's dialogue indicates that they were close childhood friends. You can talk about your close friends that way, right?
People can freely interpret it anyway they want. But this clearly isn't as open as some people make it out to be.
This has to be admired, really. The localisation team don't have to suggest these changes, but they do.
For the first one, they would have had to request that the dev team go out of their way to remove some assets (including text and art), which in my experience you need to provide a reason for. I would assume the reason was given and accepted by the Japanese devs.
The second one is technically just a "stylistic change", as I doubt there's any deep lore/canon or character bios written for these animals. But it goes a long way to representing more than just "friends" and straight couples.
It's interesting, then, that the dev team don't actively look upon these changes or the reasons for them in English, or try to incorporate them into the Japanese. Perhaps they do, but get turned down by the director. Or perhaps it's put on a low-priority to-do list, or "we'll consider it" list but never give it the proper attention.
Would be curious to see what other languages did - whether they were faithful to the EN or JP.
"He's a freelancing artist who likes bugs."
"And he's an aspiring pop star who likes fish."
This made me squee for joy. My partner heard me from the other room and I had to explain what happened. 😅
This.
Especially thinking that they could've easily add a line make it crystal clear but chhose the wording for us eager lgbtqai+ defend and hype for it and those who are homophobes can easily deny. Key words like "honeymoon" would seal the deal, no need for coded representation. If we are gonna celebrate we can welcome NOA to 2000s.
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Yes we want whatever representation we get but we deserve so much better than coded representation coming only from localization, thank you very much.
But seriously please do not do that
I have Merry on my island and she's super funny. She's definitely on the "can stay" list.
Unsurprisingly, Germany did not chime in and Flick's a "contact", with no questionable wording at all - making the heart in the middle of the conversation completely random.
Thanks Merkel.
Thanks Merkel.
Update
Oof...thats...oof.
welp, animal crossing still has fictional lesbians I guess
EDIT: I don't know know what I got myself into posting in here, ducking the hell out quicksharp.
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What about a princess's true love being another princess sounds straight to you?
"roommates"
No matter what we'll always have Fox and Falco, the gayest couple in gaming
yes, the princess of rocketboarding and her true love the princess of explosions are in no way homosexual!
2 princesses in love. I don't understand what's confusing about that
Yeah, I was leery of the "partners" being hailed as representation from the start. If the localization actually wanted to create LGBT representation where the Japanese developers failed to, then they would have done so more plainly (see: the princesses).
NoA's localizations have obfuscated or removed queer aspects as often as they've allowed or created them (see: Fire Emblem). They ain't flawless about this stuff.
NoA's localizations have obfuscated or removed queer aspects as often as they've allowed or created them (see: Fire Emblem). They ain't flawless about this stuff.
on one hand, i understand wanting representation so badly that you project and read into every little possible ambiguity of language.
on the other hand, that ain't representation, friend.
Nintendo should do better. Call me when we're talking plainly and openly about being queer like it's just a normal part of life, like it actually should be.
on the other hand, that ain't representation, friend.
Nintendo should do better. Call me when we're talking plainly and openly about being queer like it's just a normal part of life, like it actually should be.
I love the idea that somebody reads that strategy guide blurb and feels like their question has been answered, as opposed to recalling decades of cohabiting gay couples using that EXACT line to describe themselves during the closeted '70s-'90s
Lol. You might as well say the Fire Emblem devs need to do better considering 90% of the mentions of sexuality/romance in Nintendo games come from that series and the other 10% are....Kafei and Anju in Majora's Mask, the Lover's Pond sidequest in BOTW, and the wedding at the end of Mario Odyssey
And it still happens all the time. I've heard plenty a gay/lesbian/bi person introduce their partner as their "roommate" in contexts where they don't want to draw attention to themselves or risk making waves, such as at work or with unfamiliar people.
CJ rapturously describing how much he looooves Flick's amazing art doesn't exactly seem like platonic roommate behavior to me, but I'm sure there's expert Game Understanders on the internet who will tell me that I'm wrong.
Oh, to be sure, i don't think there needs to be any kind of romance in Nintendo games, straight or queer.
but if there is gonna be any it should be explicitly inclusive whenever possible.
and as a personal side note, i would happily remove ALL the relationship shit from Fire Emblem. I just want to strategize battles, god damn it!
I think it's weird that people can't genuinely love the things their platonic friends do?
like, that's a whole other issue when it comes to straight male/male friendships and openly expressing love and appreciation for each other in our culture
why can't people just really love their friends, regardless of the configuration of genders and sexualities? Why does everything gotta be a god damn dime store romance novel?
i also think it's weird to believe that NOA's idea of representation in this case would be to write the character so ambiguous it could imply they feel the need to hide the true nature of their relationship in a game where acceptance and support are such big themes
I think it's a fine reading and if people want to headcanon that shit then more power to them
what we shouldn't do is be giving Nintendo any kind of credit at all
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