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Are you not entertained? Or: let's talk about the restructuring
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It's exactly how I expected and how it was planned, I see almost none of the political threads I was interested in on EtcetEra anymore, there are still a few, the problem is new ones that are created will be buried very fast now and eventually people will stop making these topics altogether because there's no point since these topics will be barely visible going forward.
This is by design, it's working exactly as intended since when people predicted exactly this to happen in the "feedback but not feedback thread" this concern was brushed away saying these concerns are "crazy conspiracy theories".
They won't.
This is really baffling. While ignoring OT creators is not a long term solution, I shudder thinking of how you are going to adress this...
This. They created a huge problem by trying to fix an issue that didn't exist in the first place.
There was a reason many people ignored EtcetEra Hangouts for the most part, reason being simply not being interested in the majority of "OTs" there. And the people who were interested in them knew exactly how to find them.
If the reason for this change was really more visibility for these "community OTs" simply moving them next to gaming for more visibility would have solved this issue, although not the reason why people don't participate in them. There really is no solution for that "problem", people are either interested in these topics or they are not.
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Why dont you just tell us what you really think, "I hear you, dont worry, I hear you", you sound like a shitty politician. Why not just make a giant poll in Announcements and then use that as a litmus for the community's feelings, which I gaurantee are not good. Cannot but suspect there is some ulterior motive for all this
Clean and easy to use, as well as something that a ton of people here have been familiar with and used to using for 5, 10, 15+ years.
This sounds a lot like politicians consulting corporations and making changes based on that and ignoring the general populace. Did not a single staff member think about what others would think?
Also, is this basically the Unofficial official feedback thread now?
I refuse to believe this when we live in the same age as Reddit where people have to sort through all their favorite subreddits.
maybe change the title to 'Changing forum layout?' like a thread should've been made before this update
They don't want to attract attention to this negative thread
If this is now the "official" feedback thread, shouldn't it be marked as such? And pinned to the top?
Its so well hidden that its stated clearly in their privacy policy that everyone can look in the front page.
https://www.resetera.com/help/privacy-policy
That wasnt the point of the change.
The point was to force people to see OTs. They explained this. If they simply moved Hangouts to Etc that would be too cluttered so they created entertainment hoping it would leave enough room across the 2 "first page of threads" for new topics.
I really have no idea why anyone thought the point was to separate politics. Some of the most active posters who discuss politics related to gaming and entertainment on this site are admins or moderators.
Just caught up and I think I understand the frustration with this change.
We never had the intention to seperate politics from entertainment - I think considering how we already moderate threads that are a fusion of both entertainment and politics should be evidence enough of that. A thread about LeBron James calling Clownstick Von Fuckface a bum would have both a place in the Entertainment and the Etcetera section, probably even more so in the Entertainment forum. I understand the fear that we allow people to completely dissappear in their little Entertainment echo chamber, but this Entertainment forum would not be free of that.
I'm sure people will still believe what they want to believe at the end of the day, but I can promise you that when this idea first came up, we only had the best intentions in mind, which was to encourage more discussion and to give more visibility to community threads that different people might find interest in. We talked about this for a long time and decided to at least give it a shot for a some time, which we are doing now. If it's not working after a while, we're obviously not going to leave it as it is, which makes those dooming posts about this change even more confusing to me, but we clearly haven't explained that well enough so I somewhat get why that kind of thinking happens.
From what I understand though is that this change actually feels like a step back to many (especially those who are interested in news and shit) because now you not only have to navigate through three forums to get to the content you are interested in but also have to browse through forums filled with OTs. From that perspective, it absolutely makes sense that a lot of you are annoyed about this change.
So I guess my question is: would you guys be a bit more happy with this change if we had a thread ignore feature that works both on desktop or mobile? Or is this something that should be reversed because it harms your enjoyment of the forum?
Honestly, the site's intentions don't matter that much, what matters is the end result. The end result is that this is a mess, there's no tinkering with this, forcing us to ignore dozens/hundreds of threads isn't a solution. I'm not a prominent member, but I really do suggest you reverse on this decision ASAP. You're not going to drive more traffic to the forum, you'll actually going to do the exact opposite.
No offense, but you can't really depend on the opinion of what could be a handful of bootlickers looking to validate your own opinion for a such a forum-altering change. Or egomaniacal OT creators that just want to see their own threads become more popular and always show up on page one in a "main forum."
then they're gonna have to lock it, because it takes me a while to pass out drunk
Well, I mean... Sounds like you asked community thread leaders if they wanted community threads to be more visible :P
A name change for Hangouts (previous iteration) might increase visibility. Perhaps "squads" or something
Don't you think you're overreacting just a little bit?
No. I have zero confidence in the administration team now that it's been shown to be working for the benefit of the advertisers, and privileged few community leaders.
Also considering this place is one of two forums I know/am on that actually fucking have a mental health thread, and this one's the only one that's made me feel comfortable enough to talk openly and it resulted in me getting temporary help from said friends, guess I'm just fucked if I relapse
While I've always hated the hangout/communities split, I think it would have been better to put subforums underneath them for the popular OT's as I hate browsing WrassleERA or any of the other fast moving threads, mostly because they're linear, so some topics for discussion get missed while people are sleeping instead of catching up on 5 pages. Would much rather have a slightly buried away to avoid clutter wrestling sub-sub-forum, along with popular sports and the like. Then the main Hangouts section would give the visibility to the lower down, slower moving OT's like this change was supposed to help.
It's been mentioned a few times already but I think it also does deserve more attention that this thread basically being the catch all wtf happened to the layout thread is also hilarious.
The previous announcement thread was locked for the downtime, there's a new FAQ and a list of OTs that are both locked. There's no proper means of feedback, outside of this random thread. And it wasn't even made by a prominent poster.
The previous announcement thread was locked for the downtime, there's a new FAQ and a list of OTs that are both locked. There's no proper means of feedback, outside of this random thread. And it wasn't even made by a prominent poster.
Details and content aside, I appreciate an admin taking some time to write out detailed answers. Maaaaaaaybe we can do this ahead of time in the future?
Who even are the mods, I know at GAF they were Malka's minions so it makes sense they would care about advertising and stuff cos he wanted a profit. I thought this place was all about community and so-on. Just seems weird there doing this. Ah well I need to move on with my life.
Fat4All, carry on your crusade. You have my support
Fat4All, carry on your crusade. You have my support
I even mentioned this before when people were saying "eh, people will get used to it." Era(and old gaf especially) have been therapeutic for literally hundreds or more of people and this could be bad if it gets messed up.
So you asked a very small minority of people who you assumed spoke on behalf of everyone here... and you're surprised that the change went down like the Hindenburg?
Why did you assume these people spoke for everyone else?
I feel like Entertainment OTs should be moved to their own Entertainment Hangouts, this is a mess.
Whoare these prominent community leaders?
Im sick of hearing about them? We need confrontation.
Forum change is bad but these threads and people responding to them still exist.
That a joke thread is the only place to give feedback shows how well this whole thing was planned.
It's annoying and cluttered, and whatever struggling communities it was meant to help weren't worth it.
It's annoying and cluttered, and whatever struggling communities it was meant to help weren't worth it.
You are a true patriot to us all, Fat4all. Godspeed, and may your liver stand strong.
While the way it was said is exaggerated, this is exactly what was stated in the previous thread.
Polling the opinion of those are most likely to want such a change (those actively involved in OT community threads and creating them) is going to heavily bias the result in favour of such a change. Unsurprisingly that was not representative of the forum's opinion at large. Consulting with 50 members who have a bias in favour of the change is not sufficient to determine if people on the forum will be in favour of the change.
Jeez man some of you guys are talking this way too seriously. Just give it a month or so and if it doesn't work out changes can be made further.
On a side note, I look forward to being blocked by about 200 people when I make this month's book thread lol >.<
On a side note, I look forward to being blocked by about 200 people when I make this month's book thread lol >.<
What has this got to do with advertisers? I don't think the Anime OT is bringing in more $$$.
my issue is, even if it does push OTs forward, which it does, only a few will every be popular enough to stick around the front page
so while it doesn't really fix one issue, it also needlessly divides a forums space at the same time
talking with users about how to make OTs more visible should of been introduced months ago
I do believe that you guys werent trying to separate politics from everything else, but I think (and I don't want to put words in anyone's mouth) people are concerned that separating entertainment out is likely to lead to a separation over time and lead to a natural division. Given some posters in this thread seem to be pushing for that so they don't have to listen to politics, and the general confusion on topics fitting into either forum, I don't think it's completely unwarranted.
EDIT: This is worded poorly but I'm sleepy and hope I got the point across.
Pretty sure that's misdirection, cause there are more elegant ways to affect that change.
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