Yes I would rather they give up the China market entirely than just give in, in an ideal world. I would even be willing to accept some sort of euphemistic half measure, because I'm a realist. A full capitulation like we've seen here is just unacceptable. They've made their money and success off of liberalism in their home market and are now selling it out when a higher bidder comes along.While I don't agree with Blizzard's stance I'm curious what people would expect them to do..
China is arguably their largest region in terms of revenue. If not revenue now then potential revenue as well as current player base. I couldn't find exact numbers online but it looks like for Overwatch and Warcraft, China has the most players.
If China is threatening to completely lock them out of their country it would be beyond devastating for them. Probably tank the entire company overnight.
Again, not agreeing with them but I'm trying to see their perspective. I'm sure the looming threat is why they chose to punish that guy so severly. I lighter punishing hoping that China would find that good enough probably wasn't worth the risk. Lets say they took it and China still demanded more and they had to comply, it would likely be an even worse backlash for cowtowing to China's specific demands.
So from their perspective, what does Blizzard do? I honestly can't see any outcome that makes sense outside of what they did. Things look bad now but people forget and move on. Look at Chic-Fil-A. Few years ago they were in deep shit and now they having record profits and are literally the highest rated fast food brand. People just don't care in the end and are more than willing to forget and will come back when they see something they like.
Yes I would rather they give up the China market entirely than just give in, in an ideal world. I would even be willing to accept some sort of euphemistic half measure, because I'm a realist. A full capitulation like we've seen here is just unacceptable. They've made their money and success off of liberalism in their home market and are now selling it out when a higher bidder comes along.
Even the NBA, who really bungled the past week, refused to apologise and came out in support of free speech. Now, I think they only did this when they realized they already lost and couldn't recover, but they look like saints compared to blizzard here.
This is going to keep happening. It was inevitable. Hong Kong is the first true new flash point in a while, but these companies were going to all have to choose between liberal values and authoritarianism eventually. If they want to pick the CPC, fine, but they should know there are real consequences back home. They may have put themselves in a position where they had no good business options, but that's their fault.
I find it really disheartening that there is basically no mention of this or discussion about this in the WoW community thread on here. But I see alot of people in these Blizzard threads talking about cancelling their subs. So that is something I guess. I think I just expected a little more debate and discussion in the OTs as well instead of just business as usual.
I guess I can understand that even if I don't agree with it.I haven't been mentioning it there because we got these threads and I've posted several times in different threads that directly focus on this whole mess. Just felt easy to come into these and post about it. My position? I don't think I can get rid of my account, I've been playing WoW for 15 years since vanilla, I'm pretty invested at this point. Played on and off for years. It's hard to just drop. That said I do want to see Blizzard take an absolute beating on this because they shouldn't be kneeling to China and I don't want to see Hong Kong crushed beneath it's heel either.
How can you file for a Refund? I can't find an option on the launcher.
Or maybe we do all of those things instead of pretending it's an either/or? I'm sorry you think your contributions would be so meaningless. Every bit matters.Yes, I'd be so committed to fighting China that I'd be willing to boycott a US company who's games I very rarely buy while making no other changes to my lifestyle. What people really should be calling for are sanctions on China rather than expecting foreign companies to act against their best interests. But that would be more difficult than not buying or playing one company's video games.
Stand up against concentration camps and murdering people for their organs is what blizzard should do. Corporations and business are made up of people and can only do what the people that compose them decide to do.While I don't agree with Blizzard's stance I'm curious what people would expect them to do..
China is arguably their largest region in terms of revenue. If not revenue now then potential revenue as well as current player base. I couldn't find exact numbers online but it looks like for Overwatch and Warcraft, China has the most players.
If China is threatening to completely lock them out of their country it would be beyond devastating for them. Probably tank the entire company overnight.
Again, not agreeing with them but I'm trying to see their perspective. I'm sure the looming threat is why they chose to punish that guy so severly. I lighter punishing hoping that China would find that good enough probably wasn't worth the risk. Lets say they took it and China still demanded more and they had to comply, it would likely be an even worse backlash for cowtowing to China's specific demands.
So from their perspective, what does Blizzard do? I honestly can't see any outcome that makes sense outside of what they did. Things look bad now but people forget and move on. Look at Chic-Fil-A. Few years ago they were in deep shit and now they having record profits and are literally the highest rated fast food brand. People just don't care in the end and are more than willing to forget and will come back when they see something they like.
The comment is disgusting - I said nothing about the person. Choosing your entertainment above everything else, then posting that fact for the whole world to see, is in fact, a disgusting comment to make.Can we not insult people for being honest? Let's not turn this into an attack session
Or maybe we do all of those things instead of pretending it's an either/or? I'm sorry you think your contributions would be so meaningless. Every bit matters.
This idea that most of Blizzard's revenue comes from China, or a considerable amount of it, is this in any way based on facts? That the minute Blizzard closes the door on China, the whole company will go under? Like I'm not denying that there would be financial loss but the whole company being so reliant on China specifically? That sounds like scaremongering.
Oof...I'm not going this far.Nope. If the game is good I'll buy it. Even if it's made by Adolf Hitler himself.
What the actual fuck dudeNope. If the game is good I'll buy it. Even if it's made by Adolf Hitler himself.
NoNope. If the game is good I'll buy it. Even if it's made by Adolf Hitler himself.
I can separate the art from the artist, work from the author.
Otherwise I'd have to hate H. P. Lovecraft, Koichi Sugiyama, Burzum, Lostprophets and so on.
Nope. If the game is good I'll buy it. Even if it's made by Adolf Hitler himself.
And who in this thread has even been mentioning an alternative? Until people start asking for the government to do something to intervene in China's problematic issues nothing will happen but companies bunkering down and making it clear to employees that no one does or says anything contraversial. Going after Blizzard feels good, but it doesn't actually address the issue which is that the world governments should have levied sanctions against China long ago. As it is sure Blizzard rightfully gets a lot of blow back, but the rest of the US companies continue business as usual with the Chinese government as long as they can keep their heads down. The fact that Disney and other domestic companies even do business with China should be just a big a deal as Blizzard getting caught trying to appease them in the first place. The world is addicted to cheap Chinese goods, and are loath to do anything that upsets the status quo.
Co-opt blizzard characters into propaganda against China. It worked for winnie the pooh, it worked the ok-hand sign, they're already doing it with Mei. There's your alternative, now quit complaining and actually take a stance.And who in this thread has even been mentioning an alternative? Until people start asking for the government to do something to intervene in China's problematic issues nothing will happen but companies bunkering down and making it clear to employees that no one does or says anything contraversial. Going after Blizzard feels good, but it doesn't actually address the issue which is that the world governments should have levied sanctions against China long ago. As it is sure Blizzard rightfully gets a lot of blow back, but the rest of the US companies continue business as usual with the Chinese government as long as they can keep their heads down. The fact that Disney and other domestic companies even do business with China should be just a big a deal as Blizzard getting caught trying to appease them in the first place. The world is addicted to cheap Chinese goods, and are loath to do anything that upsets the status quo.
art before artist is a stupid fucking idea tooThis is my opinion. Also, read this.
And since I'm not disrespecting you, I humbly ask that you do not disrespect me when we are discussing. =)
I was planning to play ArcheAge Unchained, but EQ is also something I've always wanted to try out. I missed the boat with the 20th anniversary servers earlier in the year, I'll have to check this out, thanks for posting about it.Just a reminder to any MMO players who can't get into the other MMOs out there,
Project 1999 is an officially endorsed Everquest classic server that is launching their green server later this month which is what they've been running servers for years to build towards. P99 has one of the best communities and stable servers I've ever played on, and it's a private server with no cost. If you're looking for a 'rough leveling experience with RPG mechanics' you're about to make WoW classic look like Toontown.