ARM cuts ties with Huawei, threatening future chip designs
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The way trumps mind works he'll probably order an invasion shortly after the recession starts thinking that he can go in there, take Iran's oil and thus kickstart the economy again. He's a pathetic idiot.
Lol keep drinking the doomeraide and spitting out iamsmart view points.
Bingo. A lot of people say that China exploited the companies that set them up as the world's primary manufacturer, but those companies exploited their labor while depressing the population back home. It's not like those companies gave a shit about Chinese labor conditions either. Hell, a vast majority still don't.
Sucks hard for the small guy, but that frustration should be targeted at the people that are fucking the Chinese labor as well as domestic labor, but here we are pointing our finger at China because the help doesn't get to get a seat at the table.
As recently as 2008 the dems held all houses. But keep telling yourself that the US is sliding totally to the right. Never mind the dems just easily took back the House and the president despite a great economy has awful approval ratings.
Man the PRC defense force isn't trying hard at all anymore. Just throwing out nonsense in the hopes no one will call them on it.
the GOP can gerrymander their way to victory in every election from now until the end of the republic and the supreme court, which is increasingly just an arm of the GOP will back them up every time. to say nothing of the fact that as red states keep getting depopulated the electoral map will become even more favorable to republican presidential candidates.
give me one piece of evidence to contradict any of that since you're super smart and definitely not a panglossian liberal with no skin in the game
The U.S. has a lot of problems but to suggest it is heading toward one party rule is absurd and seems to indicate you are not seeing what is going on around you. Tossing out your paranoia isn't helping anything.
I didn't say there wouldn't be challenges.
If you claim I'm optomisitic to a fault then you're ignoring straight up Trump can be voted out of office in 2020. It isn't a given that he is but there's zero guarantee he'd gets reelected either, despite what you'd say.
Gerrymandering is still being disputed in the courts and the GOP doesn't control the entire courts system.
Finally, its our country, we all have skin in the game.
Apperently many stores in Asia are now no longer accepting Huawei phones in trade-in, either. Brutal times for them.
https://www.investing.com/news/stoc...tradeins-on-google-suspension-worries-1875587
https://www.investing.com/news/stoc...tradeins-on-google-suspension-worries-1875587
Thanks! We agree on that. Now imagine living in a country that does shitty things and there's absolutely nothing the citizenry can do about it. That's the country you're defending. You're doing it poorly, but you're doing it.
They probably will, but gearing up on an entirely independent tech sector will take time. On the other hand it's clearly one of their contingency plans so who knows how well or badly things will go.
It's not. The US is further left now, and going further, than ever before. The majority of the country is left of center.
Depends on what happens next regarding the US ban really
That's already happening for many companies in many different sectors - they're moving manufacturing out of China.
Why are you giving the Chinese government a pass for abusing their domestic labor? They're not allowing the little guy at their table, either. They're working with American companies hand in hand to do this.
The hate for Trump, and by extension the US, can have that effect. I totally get it.
China is getting hit significantly harder (like it's not close). If someone is going to "blink", it will likely be them. Regardless, hopefully some kind of deal get struck soon.
The Chinese aren't exploiting US workers and the "help" in that sentence is referring to the Chinese becoming a peer on the world stage instead of an easily exploitable labor force that will do anything for a dollar.
Thanks for the straw though.
Pretty much. China has already long blocked many major US entities and nobody cares, but when the US finally takes action against Huawei, people flip out.
I wasn't talking about the US workers, why are you ignoring what they're doing to their own people?
We'll see if China's willing to take the hit. Clever escalation on Lighthizer's part.
Actually I wouldn't be surprised if they manage to legitimately lawyer that out. Say, there's a clause that they get full rights if ARM stops existing or something, and they can claim this is such a something.
I think it is going to be hard for either side to back down and be seen as the 'loser'.
I don't know how they can manipulate it so that both sides can say the other back down and declare themselves the winner. We have put them in a corner and I wonder how it ends.
You might be right that China just lays down, but somehow I am doubtful of that happening.
This is so perfectly on point. I hope it makes certain posters reflect.
Which party won the last elections we held as a country
Right? "There Will Be Conflict" seemed to indicate Huawei/China will not back down
Did they say that before or after the ARM news though? If even non-American companies are joining in it'll be quite something else
Again, eventually they will strike a deal, and both sides can spin it easily however they want. In the mean time, though, China is getting wrecked by this trade war, while it's been little more than an inconvenience to the US and the west.
Because we're talking about 2 completely different things on 2 completely different scales and I was describing the relationship between US capital with domestic/foreign labor.
I have no interest in going down your rabbit hole of banality.
Yeah, seriously. Could lump some other people in these threads with him. I'm shocked and appalled.
China bans those services IN China, the US bans is affecting everyone.
Probably going to end with China banning the sale of iPhones or something. So much winning from pointless trade wars.
All this means for the average person is that you will have less choice when buying a phone and people will lose their jobs. Consequences don't matter as long as you get the 'win' basically the Brexiteer mentality.
All this means for the average person is that you will have less choice when buying a phone and people will lose their jobs. Consequences don't matter as long as you get the 'win' basically the Brexiteer mentality.
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Driving Huawei out of the United States and Europe is "10 times more important" than a trade deal with China, according to former White House chief strategist Steve Bannon.
He also said he would dedicate all his time to shutting Chinese companies out of U.S. capital markets.
The remark by Bannon, a strong advocate of an "all-encompassing war" against China, came days after U.S. President Donald Trump signed an executive order effectively banning Huawei from the U.S. market and cutting off its vital components supply.
"It is a massive national security issue to the West," Bannon said, in a phone interview on Saturday with the South China Morning Post. "The executive order is 10 times more important than walking away from the trade deal. It [Huawei] is a major national security threat, not just to the US but to the rest of the world. We are going to shut it down."
Bannon did not elaborate on the supposed specific security risks of Huawei's products. The Chinese tech company has openly challenged the US claim and some major Western countries, such as Germany, have also said they have seen no hard evidence so far to back up U.S. allegations.
https://www.politico.com/story/2019...ZaMfWIOPCi9AkWDK-3hh0hnGYnv8UjrSwX-CuBR2ENZcg
foregin policy, economics and infosec genious steve bannon weighs in
He also said he would dedicate all his time to shutting Chinese companies out of U.S. capital markets.
The remark by Bannon, a strong advocate of an "all-encompassing war" against China, came days after U.S. President Donald Trump signed an executive order effectively banning Huawei from the U.S. market and cutting off its vital components supply.
"It is a massive national security issue to the West," Bannon said, in a phone interview on Saturday with the South China Morning Post. "The executive order is 10 times more important than walking away from the trade deal. It [Huawei] is a major national security threat, not just to the US but to the rest of the world. We are going to shut it down."
Bannon did not elaborate on the supposed specific security risks of Huawei's products. The Chinese tech company has openly challenged the US claim and some major Western countries, such as Germany, have also said they have seen no hard evidence so far to back up U.S. allegations.
https://www.politico.com/story/2019...ZaMfWIOPCi9AkWDK-3hh0hnGYnv8UjrSwX-CuBR2ENZcg
foregin policy, economics and infosec genious steve bannon weighs in
Didn't Trump say that trade wars are easy. So he was right then. If he get's China on it's knees he will get reelected. And rightly so. Because this is a very big deal.
It's not going to get China "on its knees", but eventually some kind of deal will likely get made, and both sides can spin who won to their liking.
If all these escalations is due to Steve Bannon, yikes. He has successfully made China a boogeyman out of what-if scenario. Rest of the world have to re-think about their reliance on the US technology as well.
There is so much compliance and supply chain oversight this is basically not remotely true. The federal US government buys most if not all of its compute and storage hardware from Dell EMC, for this sole purpose as zero percent of their server line hardware is sourced from China and they have unreal supply chain QA and regulation.
Huawei is bascially the opposite of that, and other infrastructure companies are a blur in between. There is a major reason why most enterprise companies in the US stopped buying Supermicro as well. The private sector is starting to follow what the feds have been doing for years, because security matters more than ebeda and people are waking up.
If that is the case why hasn't it been done yet?
You could be write that they will find a way to spin it, but this is Donald Fucking Trump. As soon as the deal is reached he is going to say he made China his little bitch. I don't see them accepting that.
This seems to be an actual war. They want the other side to lose.
But hope you are right and I am wrong.