I'm not sure why this keeps getting thrown around.
In trash them just as much. They have a bedbug on the team!
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Bernie really out here cutting ads with Joe Rogan's endorsement (SEE STAFF POST)
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In trash them just as much. They have a bedbug on the team!
You think Trump will win either way?
I genuinely believe only Bernie can win because of his cantankerous nature when it comes to 1 on 1 versus Trump.
It really isn't as all of those things are demonstrably true? I mean do we need to bring up the Pow Wow Chow receipts (in which she also plagiarized all of the content she contributed?)
Defeating Trump is literally the only thing that matters.
Four more years of this insanity, especially if the GOP retakes the House, is magnitudes more destructive than any retweet.
Can't believe that isn't obvious.
Four more years of this insanity, especially if the GOP retakes the House, is magnitudes more destructive than any retweet.
Can't believe that isn't obvious.
Clearly, Rogan is just experiencing a case of economic anxiety.
I don't think I could be even more less enthusiastic about the Democratic candidates this year. Are Biden and Sanders the best we could do?
Wouldn't this be an argument for selecting Bernie, if you wanted to be pragmatic? Why was this posted.
I didn't expect it to be so high. Not entirely surprised though.
The Warren smearing pisses me the fuck off
The Women in our primary continue to be treated unfairly and brutally compared to the white daddies
You just keep denouncing the takes and acting incredulous. Maybe it would help if you actually explain to them why they are wrong.
(I'm not endorsing their takes. Just saying that repeatedly acting shocked at what they are saying isn't actually doing anything)
Yes what Warren did was the exact same as knowingly dressing yourself in black face and claiming to be Trans Racial.
Doesn't surprise me that Yang and Sanders have the most rabid supporters.
Why is that bad? People should support whoever is going against Trump. A mannequin from a local mall is a better option than Trump.
Do you not see the numbers for Bernie and Yang supporters??
It's definitely easy to become disillusioned when I like listening to Joe Rogan (I only listen to episodes with guests I'd find interesting, recently that'd include the Black Keys, RDJ, Ed Norton, Josh Homme, Snowden, etc.) - and people in this thread would label me as a terrible person or a racist, when I'm certainly not either of those things. I just find Joe has good guests on, and the conversations often come across like a conversation between friends, and Joe often asks the questions that I would want to ask - so they're usually great. The Black Keys episode was centered around their take on the music industry, and it was super insightful.
This is what the Republicans want. Bernie and Warren are the perfect setup for Trump. They want them to be the front runners for the Dems because they know it's the easiest fight for Trump there's no way around that fact. I agree Bernie and Warren's message is more important but for this future of the election and presidency it's a terrible lie to the people that support them and believe otherwise.
If you check out the "AOC says the Democratic party is centrist" thread, every other post is an official Take Review lol
I quite clearly laid out a case of why the dems aren't rightwing/centrist.
Again, like.. LeBron James is one of the most popular and well-known basketball players.
He endorsed Hillary and even campaigned for her in Ohio.
Fuck difference that made.
Same with all the other endorsements Clinton got, including from a lot of "moderate"/traditionally Republican newspapers. Didn't make a difference. Trump still got the votes of the people that read those things.
There's just no evidence, whether individually or in aggregate, that political endorsements from anyone, whether it's celebrities, newspapers, actors, actresses, athletes, or podcast hosts matter one way or the other.
What is known, on the other hand, is that Rogan is a racist and transphobe.
That he did shit like compare black people to apes. Like, direct, unabashed racism.
That THAT is the kind of person Rogan is.
I'd rather candidates, like... they don't necessarily have to call people like that out, but at the very least stay the fuck away from them.
Because that's the thing: there's no evidence endorsement matters. That no one, and I repeat, no one is going to vote because of Rogan.
Just like they didn't because of LeBron James.
Just like they didn't because of the New York Times or Washington Post.
Just like they didn't because of local newspapers.
That just isn't how people vote.
And like, a whole lot of these arguments seem rather predicated on that not being the case, on Rogan actually being able to "reach people."
But from where I'm sitting, I'm like... where's the evidence? I wanna see the receipts. Where's the actual evidence of this endorsement being "different"? Where's the evidence of, regardless of his follower count, regardless of his amount of subscribers or listeners or whatever, of people giving more of a single fuck of his thoughts on who to vote for President than they do LeBron James?
Because if they don't, and I haven't begun to seen people give any more evidence of this than just his numbers which is not evidence in the least more so than like NYT own subscriber numbers or the amount of people that tune in to watch LeBron play, if people don't care, then we're right back to Rogan really not being a good person, and so, if that's what we're left with... Well, it should be pretty easy to surmise my feelings from there.
I never said she dressed in black face and I never said she "claimed to be trans racial" wtfYes what Warren did was the exact same as knowingly dressing yourself in black face and claiming to be Trans Racial.
I said she pretended to be a different race, as in writing down Native American on forms, giving media anecdotes about her grandpa's "high cheekbones" proving her heritage, and doubling down on this even after her DNA test proved it all to be completely false in a botched campaign kickoff. I never said any of the stuff you said but what actually happened is bad, you don't need to make things up.
Yes what Warren did was the exact same as knowingly dressing yourself in black face and claiming to be Trans Racial.
she knowingly lied and misrepresented her race and heritage. everyone has their standards and limits, and to me thats something i can't abide by. i don't really intend on having a discussion about the severity of it or whether it kills her chances for the general public, or whether its a right talking point or anything.
What Warren did and what Rachael did are two completely different things.
And saying that makes her bad or morally the same as an actual racist or Joe Rogan is shameful.
Well then hopefully you aren't defending Joe Rogan or Bernie retweeting him.
I never compared her to Rachel Dolezal! But what she did is still bad! What you're saying has nothing to do with what I'm saying.
Nevermind different person.
Still, what your implying doesn't make her morally equivilent to a racist/Joe Rogan type.
Not even close.
Yep, the marginalized people who have voiced their concerns in this thread live in an internet bubble. Holy fuck, listen to yourself. Just the opposite, in fact. Some people are fucking shitting all over themselves and bathing in their privilege in this thread while handwaving away takes they're not interested in shutting up and listening to.
The issue is not with Bernie getting the endorsement of Joe Rogan. The problem is allowing Joe Rogan's bigotry and hateful views to go unchallenged and accepting his support without calling it out and making it clear that it has no place in this party. Political expediency isn't something new and getting people to vote for you is a good thing; the thing is, those people are not voting because they're behind Sanders' policies. They're voting because the daddy of their straight white male angst is an influential voice to them and they'll do whatever he tells them to.
Even worse, there are numerous people in this thread that argued the fact that Joe Rogan isn't as bad as he actually is while completely glossing over the fact he called an entire theater of black people the "Planet of the Apes" and constantly engages in transphobic and homophobic slander. You do you.
these are the same whataboutisms i always get. only 1 person among those 3 went around calling themselves cherokee. warren killed her chances with me and that's that.
I don't wanna jump into the middle of this shit thread, but that's not necessarily true about endorsements not mattering.
Why are you comparing a man who plays basketball to someone who hosts a long form podcast that often covers culture and politics in a way that average people can connect with?
Not only that but Bernie was on the podcast directly talking about his policies/politics so that was literally heard by the audience, so regardless of whether they agreed or not it's clear this is like comparing apples to oranges.
Real talk.
What is the real difference between this and the signal boosting of Never Trump figures to this day who have done far more to hurt marginalized communities than Rogan ever will?
We just had most of this board in a tizzy about the endorsement of a newspaper that's published two pieces signal boosting white supremacy in recent months.
What is the real difference between this and the signal boosting of Never Trump figures to this day who have done far more to hurt marginalized communities than Rogan ever will?
We just had most of this board in a tizzy about the endorsement of a newspaper that's published two pieces signal boosting white supremacy in recent months.
You're confusing me with someone else in this thread, go check my post history seriously. If you want to defend Warren defend what she did don't make things up and try to work an argument around how she isn't as bad as this other worse person who again, I didn't compare her to.
No I did not. I thought they were saying it was bad that they would support whoever the candidate is.
I mean, one of them is a verified transphobe and clearly says racist things but ok whatever.
Bernie can do no wrong.
Purity tests will again lose elections for the Dems like they did in 2016 and era is leading the charge.
So how can Bernie fans get upset at Pete, Biden or Clinton for palling around with CHUDs if that's, "just what you have to do to win"?
The reason why I did was because the people complaining loudest here had no issue with Warren accepting their endorsement e.g. (rightly) criticising Joe for supporting the IDW whilst ignoring the fact the NYT created it and did it's best to normalise them. I have zero issues with anybody holding both candidates to the same standard.
Because policy and history is kind of important in politics? Bernie's not saying Joe's his VP? Nor is he friends with Joe.
It's fucking so stupid and such a blatant fallacy that you're presenting this situation as "SO YOU WANT TRUMP TO WIN HUH??" when all Sanders had to do was not fucking signal boost an endorsement from Rogan.
You're not fucking slick, nobody in this thread is fooling anyone.
If he advertised a David Duke endorsement, I'd feel gross.
If David Duke decided to vote for a Jewish dude who says immigrants are great, is that not a good thing though?
Edit: Not in a "I want David Duke's vote" way but in a "By some miracle he made David Duke stop being David Duke" way
So you and a few others attacked me for daring to say "I'll vote for Biden or Warren or anybody and "maybe" they'll drone strike but we'll get all this progressive stuff done.
And your big brain take is "let's use swamp nazi's and alt right shitheads as a reliable voting block to beat trump. Smash that subscribe button!"
Yeah that's just what I said lmao get the fuck out of here
Just because he smokes weed doesn't make him left leaning. (See: Bill Maher)
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Let's be real: if the Democratic base was largely comprised of any other ethnicity besides black Americans people wouldn't be so willing to throw them under the bus.
As an European fellow that listens to Rogan pretty often, I didn't know at all that the opinion here of him was so negative. I think I didn't read a single positive comment lol. Why so many hate? He brings pretty interesting people and I find his personality enjoyable.
Haven't read that, but just seeing AOC's name is in of itself interesting right off the bat.
Because speaking of her, she certainly did not have the backing of the "establishment." She wasn't the one raking in the endorsements. That's, like, the whole story of her race.
She won anyway. And like, in the aftermath of her win, that was like, getting people to question how much stuff like that mattered one way or the other versus just like, y'know, being in touch with your constituents concerns and being in touch with them and stuff. That's what immediately comes to mind for me, which is something I forgot to talk about 'til now. That she herself is a perfect case in point.
So to suddenly turn that around... That the opinions of members of Congress didn't matter for AOC's own congressional race, but now that she's a member of Congress herself AOC's own endorsement matters when it comes to that of people like Sanders in a way all the congressional endorsements for her opponent in her own race didn't... Like, I haven't read it yet, I admit, but I'm immediately skeptical from the word "go," y'know?
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