Beto O'Rourke Introduces Voting Rights Plan (Term Limits for Congress & Supreme Court, Automatic and Same Day Voter Registration, Vote By Mail + More)

[Deleted member 2426]

No Bernie was close last time, and people are already tired of him again. He also is losing the most support in polling over time compared to everyone else. Harris and Warren will pick up steam, they have a good point of difference and also have support from key demographics, and speak very well so debates will help.

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Bernie polling has remained consistently in the 18-20% and every single polls has it in second place. He will benefit the most from Biden's implosion if it happens. Warren doesn't even have money lol and she is not charismatic. Once she loses Iowa it's over for her. Plus she's unelectable and only lousy liberals think otherwise.

Harris is stuck and will flop in the 3 first states.

And ah, Beto. Didn't know he was running still.

 

[Mr. Wonderful]

Yeah Federal oversight of state gerrymandering would also be constitutionalally challenged.

 

[LordByron28]

Bernie polling has remained consistently in the 18-20% and every single polls has it in second place. He will benefit the most from Biden's implosion if it happens. Warren doesn't even have money lol and she is not charismatic. Once she loses Iowa it's over for her. Plus she's unelectable and only lousy liberals think otherwise.

Harris is stuck and will flop in the 3 first states.

And ah, Beto. Didn't know he was running still.

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Lol they'll surprise you then. Warren is doing okay financially. She has the largest infrastructure in Iowa out of any of the candidates. Her strategy is different in that she's using less money on TV spots and TV shows, more on hiring staff to engage voters.

 

[The Albatross]

I've always been mixed/against term limits for congress and SCOTUS, but I've gotta read the plan and proposal before having an informed take.

The SCOTUS term limits introduce a real element of intrigue to the role of the senate and its ability to stonewall a nominee, ALA Merrick Garland. It's ... bad intrigue... but intrigue none the less. Like, you wonder how an obstinate senate would behave if it knows a Justice is coming up for their limit, say, next year, just prior to the election or something, and how that will affect legislating.

I'm not conviced that congressional term limits achieve anything that proponents of them want.

 

[Balphon]

Congressional term limits are a terrible idea.

Staggered 18-year terms for SCOTUS justices is a more compelling idea in the abstract. However, I'm not sure how it would work in practice.

 

[gutter_trash]

Term limits for Congress is super stupid.

you will end up like Mexico

 

[Sordid Plebeian]

Congressional term limits are a bit of a misstep but the rest of the bill is pretty solid, I'm glad some effort is being put toward improving our democracy. However, some of the more loftier goals will hit constitutional obstacles, but it's important to get the conversation going on them.

 

[Deleted member 2426]

Term limits for Congress is super stupid.

you will end up like Mexico

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Well, imagine that Donald Trump just decides to re-elect himself and his people around for 30 years straight...wouldn't you be a little too eager to set term limits too?

But I do agree that term limits are stupid and only create more corruption than it solves.

 

[Kirblar]

Well, imagine that Donald Trump just decides to re-elect himself and his people around for 30 years straight...wouldn't you be a little too eager to set term limits too?

But I do agree that term limits are stupid and only create more corruption than it solves.

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Executive and judicial term limits aren't controversial.

Googling it up, Biden/Bernie/Warren all oppose term limits, which is good. Buttigieg/Harris have never really talked about them.

 

[808s & Villainy]

On the flip side though you will not get these never-ending positions who for decades show they don't care about their constituents knowing that they will never be voted out.

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Yeah, but the problem there is with apathetic/uninformed voters, not with the lack of a term limit. The system is built to vote those people out, but they get enough votes to stay. Easier voter registration and voting, more polling places, and mechanism to combat gerrymandering should solve those issues

 

[Carthago Delenda Est]

Beto has no chance though. Yeah its early but its between Biden, Warren and Harris IMHO.

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Trump had no chance at this stage. The battle hasn't even begun. Bernie and Biden both could be out in 6 months.

 

[collige]

Like everyone else is saying, congressional term limits are dumb

I've always been mixed/against term limits for congress and SCOTUS, but I've gotta read the plan and proposal before having an informed take.

The SCOTUS term limits introduce a real element of intrigue to the role of the senate and its ability to stonewall a nominee, ALA Merrick Garland. It's ... bad intrigue... but intrigue none the less. Like, you wonder how an obstinate senate would behave if it knows a Justice is coming up for their limit, say, next year, just prior to the election or something, and how that will affect legislating.

I'm not conviced that congressional term limits achieve anything that proponents of them want.

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It'll definitely be interesting, but I can't imagine it could possibly be worse than the current system which allow someone like Kennedy to tactically retire an ensure a partisan successor.

 

[PrimeBeef]

I feel like term limits could backfire as the politicians won't be accountable to voters anymore in their final term, and you also lose many years of experience when electing someone new (imagine the election had been Obama vs. Trump instead)

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Term limits outside of the executive offices are bad. Unless the terms equate to 36-42 total years in public office. There is nothing inherently wrong with wanting to be a career politician. But just look at all the states where term limits for state seats were implemented. More radical legislation gets passed, transparency gets worse, and public confidence in government erodes.

 

[Deleted member 2426]

Executive and judicial term limits aren't controversial.

Googling it up, Biden/Bernie/Warren all oppose term limits, which is good. Buttigieg/Harris have never really talked about them.

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Ah yeah was mostly talking about the legislative term limits. They are dumb. In the case of Mexico, is historically based. A whole revolution started due to executive reelection, so it kind of become a taboo for anyone running on elections. The perception is changing though, thankfully.

 

[Spenny]

I've just read the highlights here but it seems as if the abolition of the electoral college isn't in his plan?

 

[BlastProcessing]

As many people in this thread have already said, term limits are a bad idea. It does nothing to solve the core problems of how our democracy works and just creates new vulnerabilities to be exploited.

 

[spx54]

people think this guy is an empty suit but he is much more substantive than a platitude machine like Buttigieg

 

[Pooh]

I'd be more in favor of "age limits" than term limits

 

[Critch]

Bernie polling has remained consistently in the 18-20% and every single polls has it in second place. He will benefit the most from Biden's implosion if it happens. Warren doesn't even have money lol and she is not charismatic. Once she loses Iowa it's over for her. Plus she's unelectable and only lousy liberals think otherwise.

Harris is stuck and will flop in the 3 first states.

And ah, Beto. Didn't know he was running still.

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Wait, why would Bernie benefit from Biden imploding? Bernie is the polar opposite of Biden. Biden voters are not going to go for a hard-left socialist.