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BLEEN

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If Billy G wasn't so rich, my family and I would be more well off. Hell, we all would! That's how much cash he has.
 

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Nah I'd prefer he keep his money and keep doing what he's doing, people just mad he's helping out impoverished countries instead of paying off middle class white kids college loans.
No, that's not why people are wary of Gates. This is such blatant bullshit.
If, as you imply, Bill Gates really redistributed wealth from first-world tech company workers to people in grindingly poor countries who literally survived only because of that redistribution, you should be praising the guy.

I can see why naive diehard ideologue socialists/communists wouldn't want to, though. Admitting that a capitalist can, in certain circumstances, do more good than a government shoots holes in their ideology. They kind of have no choice but to demonize them.
Gates is not 'doing more good than a government', because the places he is doing the most good are places in which his wealth dwarfs the nations' GDP several times over. It is entirely possible that if he gave his money to those nations to invest and spend themselves they may do far more good than he can (after all, they have a much better understanding of their people, their needs, and culture than he does). But he doesn't do that, because that would mean relinquishing control.
 
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You know, maybe no one needs to be a billionaire, it doesn't matter how much philanthropy you hide behind. The billionaire class is inherently immoral and perverse, no matter how you cut it.
 
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In the video, I don't find Gates to be particularly defensible on the question of taxation... He's still trying to peddle policy through his influence, and the definite thrust of his argument is encouraging moderation... that while he thinks that some specific taxes could be increased, he presents Warren/Sanders as extremists.

The "just kidding' quip seemed, to me, to be a nervous reaction to the audience being there. Given the thrust of what he said before that, I think he's admitting that he's exaggerating for comic effect, but he's definitely not saying that he would be fine being taxed down to only having $6 billion.... "just kidding" doesn't seem to me to invalidate his sentiment at all.

On the Trump/Warren issue, I still think it's nothing short of cowardice (or exceptionally self-service pragmatism) for him not to denounce Trump on the spot. The video didn't really change my view there. Given Warren vs. Trump, the notion that Warren's a bitter pill to swallow is absurd to me.

How about including the full quote in the OP?

Or this

 

Tfritz

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Nah I'd prefer he keep his money and keep doing what he's doing, people just mad he's helping out impoverished countries instead of paying off middle class white kids college loans.

Alabama literally has third world poverty rates so maybe he could throw a little money this way so folks wouldn't have raw sewage flowing into their yards
 

NinjaScooter

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"The totally unrealistic hyperbolic hypothetical thought of only having $6 billion makes me seriously consider voting for and supporting an incompetent white supremacist"

And people are giving him a pass?
 

Oticon

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He was. That's what it means to be a billionaire. Billionaires only have their fortunes because their employees are left with FAR less than they make for the company. It's theft, just strained through legality.

As for the rest of the post



Framing an entire company of people as replaceable cogs while also stanning for billionaires being self-made is a bold decision.
You have no idea how a business works.
 

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If, as you imply, Bill Gates really redistributed wealth from first-world tech company workers to people in grindingly poor countries who literally survived only because of that redistribution, you should be praising the guy.

I can see why naive diehard ideologue socialists/communists wouldn't want to, though. Admitting that a capitalist can, in certain circumstances, do more good than a government shoots holes in their ideology. They kind of have no choice but to demonize them.

Can you word that first graf to be more coherent? Because it doesn't make any sense. Correct me if I'm misreading this, but it sounds like you're saying I, as a socialist, should be happy that he stole the wages of his workers because he "redistributed" some of their money towards poor people in other countries? And you then assumed that socialism and communism can be used interchangeably and that this is a thing that socialists and communists should want?

Do I have that right, because that's sure how it reads?

I called it incoherent, because I'm assuming you can't possibly mean it the way it reads because of how wrong that would be. The alternative is that what you wrote is exactly what you meant, in which case you should probably first learn literally anything about socialism before calling ANYONE naive on the topic. But I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming some wires got crossed or something.
 

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How does it mean nothing?
by the statement "I don't want to make political declarations". There's plenty of reasons why one would choose to not declare their support for now.

From supporting another democratic nominee, to not wanting your dumb administration blacklisting his foundation on working with the government.

On the latter it's very understandable, with his foundation actually making some notable progress in the philantrophic work they chose to step in.
 

SnakeXs

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I'm not rich and it bothers me because it suggests the violent elimination of a class of people.
A class of people pushing against paying a reasonable percent in taxes to protect what they already have in abundance and will gladly throw a small piece* of the vast resources they have back to those so socioeconomically removed from them (through a legacy building foundation bearing their name) it's literally absurd. To the degree that they question supporting a slightly progressive capitalist nominee vs fucking Trump.
 
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Jeremy

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Oct 25, 2017
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How about including the full quote in the OP?

Or this



Because I don't think that the OP particularly misrepresents Gates' argument.

If I could, I might edit the thread title... I guess I don't know that he's "undecided," even though I do know that he's too cowardly/self-serving to take a stand against Trump.
 

El Bombastico

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Oct 25, 2017
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"The totally unrealistic hyperbolic hypothetical thought of only having $6 billion makes me seriously consider voting for and supporting an incompetent white supremacist"

And people are giving him a pass?

They are a lot of Temporarily Embarrassed Millionaires here, worried about all the taxes they'll pay when they finally win the lottery/inherit millions from a rich relative they never knew existed...
 

Damisa

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It is entirely possible that if he gave his money to those nations to invest and spend themselves they may do far more good than he can (after all, they have a much better understanding of their people, their needs, and culture than he does). But he doesn't do that, because that would mean relinquishing control.

I frankly think this is wrong, governments of poor countries tend to be super corrupt, but even if it's not, it's still unquestionably better morally speaking that Gates donates money to poor countries rather than the US Government or MSFT workers.
 

Poodlestrike

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The OP and the article the OP is based on are missing context, and as such, did not lead to good discussion, so we are closing this thread to further replies.

We are not barring discussion of Gates' comments in a thread with a better source and OP.
 
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