Platinum Games response
Bloomberg: A Tense Pay Dispute Overshadows Nintendo’s Upcoming Bayonetta 3 [UPDATE: Taylor confirms Bloomberg's reporting to be accurate]
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Like with Etika , Johnny Depp and many more before
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Situation seems figured out at this point with the Bloomberg article, but nice to see them throw support behind Hale given the harassment
I'm surprised they responded at all. Looks perfectly adequate and professional to me, and huge props for supporting Jennifer Hale like that, she needed it.
She is absolutely greedy for trying to go for six figure plus residuals over BAYONETTA, a game franchise that is only continuing because Nintendo is throwing Platinum a bone. This isn't Fortnite, League of Legends, or Minecraft.
Not only is she greedy, she's a lying TERF that intentionally used disinformation to sow chaos and incite a mob towards Platinum, Nintendo, and Jennifer Hale. You making her out to be some martyr for the voice acting industry is disgusting.
Sadly until this forum allows for open discussion it will never happen.
I feel like this response wouldn't have worked had the Bloomberg report not come out.
We would definitely see more people around here making excuses for the harassment leveled at Kamiya and Hale.
Top of page 50 let's gooo.
<3 to Platinum and all the people who have contributed to this game and this series.
Hopefully the situation is more or less at its end and people can move on and enjoy Bayonetta 3 and the hard work of all the people who helped make it. Hopefully the conversation continues about residuals for VAs. And hopefully people learn not to have psychotic kneejerk reactions to reports with little info next time (they won't).
The fucking means you folks will go to assuage the image of a woman who thinks I'm just a male rapist in waiting.
Separate the call for better compensation of actors from this bigot who doesn't even work in the industry anymore.
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Between the weekend, clearing things with Sega and Nintendo, and probably some pivoting after the Jason article was released and waiting to see reactions to that, I think it makes sense why a statement took a while.
I know Jason Schreier said that management most likely are not happy for the fact that he divulged details of their dealings, even if they paint the developers in a good light, but I think this might be the one noted exception to ever happen in gaming. If not for his investigative report, this statement would probably not fly. He pretty much helped change the discourse and deserves so much credit for getting the truth out there.
Aside from that, given the context, this is all that really needs to be said. They put Jennifer Hale over themselves, and that's a class act.
Yes I was of course talking about all voice acting pay disputes and not this one individual case of someone lying about offered pay when I said "There's MULTIPLE WORKERS RIGHTS ISSUES IN GAMING but this has turned out to not be ONE of them."
I don't know the exact quote but it goes a bit like "They're lying, all of them! But I want to put this all behind me and get on with my life"
Ya acting like the benefit of the doubt should be afforded to you after saying multiple ignorant comments.
Check you're tenor.
Her response to Scheier's reporting is to say she now wants to put it all behind her.
View: https://twitter.com/Nibellion/status/1582443334890463232
Totally. It would have been seen as another generic PR message trying to avoid the real issues.
"EVERYONE PAY ATTENTION TO ME! No, not like that."
This would sound 100 percent less disingenuous if it at all acknowledged just how much damage Taylor has done to the entire discourse surrounding voice actor pay.
Every time someone tries to tie this awful TERF to VAs as a whole, the only thing that comes to mind is that she outright lied about how much money she was going to get for her role, she lied about how much money the series is worth, and rather than confront any of these lies whatsoever or at least provide evidence that corroborates anything she said, she has instead decided that she no longer cares and just wants this to stop.
No one should EVER take seriously anyone who claims to give a shit about workers rights while at the same time championing someone who has done more in a weekend to destroy the efforts of the movement than the SAG has managed to accomplish over the past decade.
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Typical behaviour when someone doesn't have arguments past their initial heated reaction.
Like I said before... She didn't exactly lie... But she didn't tell the whole truth either. She knew exactly what she was doing.
Lots of people already hated him but knew their reasoning was "wrong", so this gave them a "right" reason to hate him.
The locked thread has like 18 bans for downplaying transphobia and people still won't listen.
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Ay, but you're proving that you're a dense fuck.I'm not a tenor, but ok.
So she turned down the offer because it was too low, then went public about how terrible the offer was. Am I reading that right?
Not exactly. She turned down an offer for ~4k per session with 5 sessions. Countered with a 6 figure and residuals demand. Platinum balked, and hired Hale. Then later they decided to offer her a single session cameo for ~4k which she turned down. She then misrepresented the final offer as if it was the offer she received for the main character role instead of the cameo.
No.
She was offered $15-20 k
she delcined
She said that she she deserved at min 100K, and residuals
they declined
They came at her with a cameo role for 4K to make good.
She declined
She made a video about Platinum trying to stiff her by omitting the pay from the pitch.
Well if anything, this whole debacle is useful to expose a really ugly side of YouTube, Twitter, and yes, even Era, where there are so many people showing their arses here and how, despite everything, they just refused to apologize truthfully about how they acted.
It's a good event to reference and separate who are the posters that can be heard meaningfully and who are those who should not. For me, anyways.
It's a good event to reference and separate who are the posters that can be heard meaningfully and who are those who should not. For me, anyways.
Sorry, the Pavarotti gif was a step too far. It won't happen again.
You gonna actually engage with me or continue being an obnoxious jerk?
Engage about what? You thought I was downplaying something I wasn't. The conversation is over.
Folks participating in good faith would normally try to explain a misunderstanding. Conitnuing snark and condescending is the opposite.
Like, actually hold to a point.
She had an immensely over-inflated perception of her role and of the franchise itself - as even during her accusation she claimed that Bayonetta is a half billion dollar franchise (absurd). Taylor was under the impression that she was the irreplaceable voice of an iconic, mainstream protagonist that she could leverage for frankly an unheard of paycheck with residuals.
It's relevant to point out that Hellena Taylor is not a career VA, as her new response states her actual job is in theatre which she now says she wants to "get back to". Bayonetta's the only role she's done in the last decade, without even having any other gigs since Bayo 2 eight years ago. So in her lacking knowledge of the industry she misleadingly assumed she had much more leverage than she did, and when that assumption clashed with reality during bargaining, Taylor stayed adamant and the negotiations fell apart and P* had to look for a replacement. Cue Taylor then ranting about how Hale has no right to call herself the voice of Bayonetta after Taylor turned down the role.
This is what Taylor presented of her position, to clarify, while what others have stated is what has since been found and elaborated on by Schreier and co.
The union rate is $760 per day, she got offered 4-5 times that. And then declined.
The minimum union rate at the time would've been $920 and change per day, not 760.
That would be movie/TV rates I think?
| New Media-Interactive | ||
| Use Rate | $757.56 | This Off-Camera Rate is paid for any single Interactive Platform performance of up to 3 Voices during a 4 Hour Day. Voices used on any On-Line or Network Platform or used as a "Lift" to another program, add an additional 100% of the original rate in each case if the rights are acquired within one year of initial release and 110% after such period |
Even then she would have been offered roughly 4 times the rate.
Helena response is honestly so weak..."im leaving this mess behind" after putting one of the most inflamatory and destructive accusations to a team of people that have worked on this game for 5+ years...is honestly just embarrasing.
Anyways, im excited as hell for Bayo3.
Anyways, im excited as hell for Bayo3.
That actually makes me wonder, will also destroy her theatre career? I can't imagine many theatre groups would be thrilled to have her given all the horridness that's came out about her and be worried she'll try to screw them over as well.
That would be movie/TV rates I think?
New Media-Interactive Use Rate $757.56 This Off-Camera Rate is paid for any single Interactive Platform performance of up to 3 Voices during a 4 Hour Day. Voices used on any On-Line or Network Platform or used as a "Lift" to another program, add an additional 100% of the original rate in each case if the rights are acquired within one year of initial release and 110% after such period
Even then she would have been offered roughly 4 times the rate.
This is I and others have been using. That website doesn't say when was the last time it was updated.
Not only is this statement classy, but it seems to reaffirm that PG did jump through hoops to try and get Taylor back. Despite all the drama she caused, they still thank her for helping to grow the Bayonetta franchise, even if they had to be indirect about it.
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