0.4 is docked at FP32 (0.2 Undoked). And what I read more is people talking about a 3 - 4x that.
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[Bloomberg] Nintendo to Use New Nvidia Graphics Chip in 2021 Switch Upgrade (DLSS) [Analysts saying $350-399 MSRP]
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Things are different now, New 3DS completely replaced OG 3DS on market few months after New 3DS launch,
this seems not same case.
You're not wrong, but I think it will depend on when the thing actually comes out. More than two years after the Pro launches, and I don't think the public will balk at the idea.
this has been said every time since the wii was made and unfortunately hasn't been true
Those sources are also wrong. Switch is about 392 GFLOPS docked, around 196 GFLOPS undocked. Current low end estimate for the device talked about here are something like 500 GFLOPS undocked, 1 TFLOPS docked. And that's a very low end estimate. Could go up to 750 GFLOPS undocked, 1.5 TFLOPS docked towards the higher end.
Pretty excited for this. If they're going so down the tech-hole with nvidia with dlss, hopefully they can work gsync/vrr in as well.
Really? Wii U gpu was better than the PS360 in real life despite having less flops, so in this case being 7 years and on a far superior uArch shouldn't be that hard at all vs the 2 years the GPU in the Wii U had over the other two systems.
7 years is the difference between Ampere and GCN 1.0
I vehemently disagree. And anyway I think it has a shot at a 2022 release.
It was true for the Switch...
At this point it's a longshot to say BOTW2, MP4, Bayo 3 and Splatoon 3 will be Switch Pro titles amd Nintendo have been secretive all this time around them (and other titles) for this reason.
re: revision-exclusive games
While the Switch does have a massive install base as is, many current Switch owners are people who only play one or a handful of games, or who bought it years ago and haven't touched it since. On the other hand, people who buy a more expensive revision touting better performance are, broadly speaking, going to be more of an engaged "core" that's looking to justify their recent investment in more powerful hardware. The install base size is somewhat misleading as it pertains to the majority of games that aren't one of Nintendo's flagship franchises because a relatively small subset of base Switch owners would be interested in those to begin with.
I wouldn't expect much in terms of first-party exclusives because those tend to appeal the broader userbase; even beyond your Marios and Pokemons, there's a lot of people who might be considered "casuals" who'd want to grab those. But for some third-party ports, going Pro-exclusive might be a worthwhile endeavor depending on the game and the market they're angling for.
While the Switch does have a massive install base as is, many current Switch owners are people who only play one or a handful of games, or who bought it years ago and haven't touched it since. On the other hand, people who buy a more expensive revision touting better performance are, broadly speaking, going to be more of an engaged "core" that's looking to justify their recent investment in more powerful hardware. The install base size is somewhat misleading as it pertains to the majority of games that aren't one of Nintendo's flagship franchises because a relatively small subset of base Switch owners would be interested in those to begin with.
I wouldn't expect much in terms of first-party exclusives because those tend to appeal the broader userbase; even beyond your Marios and Pokemons, there's a lot of people who might be considered "casuals" who'd want to grab those. But for some third-party ports, going Pro-exclusive might be a worthwhile endeavor depending on the game and the market they're angling for.
Ironically an ampere flop is actually much less efficient than a Turing flop.
I wouldn't necessarily call that kind of practice anti-consumer. If Metroid Prime 4 were to be developed and optimized exclusively around this more powerful hardware, then it may have unacceptable performance on the original Switch, making it unsellable (if they did choose to sell an obviously more subpar performing and looking version of the game, like we're talking unacceptable Cyberpunk-levels of performance, that would be more anti-consumer).
However that said, Nintendo will probably not do this (develop games only for Switch Pro) simply due to business reasons, as you are not selling to the majority of the user base and thus making less money. It's likely development will start on the base Switch, and we will then see massive improvements to Image Quality/resolution and framerates and overall performance. The difference will be noticeable enough for most people (core gamers) to feel the need to upgrade. New games will still 'run' on the Switch, but they will be poor in the same way some late 3DS games were (also, current Switch games are already shows that the current Switch is already on it's last legs, barely being able to keep up with more graphically demanding ports, and even Nintendo's own games are getting to that point. I'd go as far to say that choosing to stay with the current Switch, if you do play a lot of Switch games and will do so in the future, is just a bad idea).
However, its important to note, this is Nvidia tech we're talking about here. The jump in tech from the Tegra X1 to this new DLSS-capable NVIDIA mobile SoC will absolutely destroy any comparison point between Switch>Switch Pro vs 3DS>New 3DS. I don't think people should be making similar comparisons too much cause the 3DS tech and the vendor that Nintendo went with for the 3DS were always shitty and low tech, and definitely not as scalable or future proof, even by 2011 standards. NVIDIA is whole different beast and Nintendo gamers are very lucky that Nintendo went with them for the Switch, the advantages (exclusive access to the most advanced cutting-edge tech like DLSS and powerful mobile SoC's) are already notable.
It's a hell of a longshot to say they will be exclusives.
I do agree with the general message here.
People should not be viewing this hardware as a successor. It's a revision and will be treated as such. Will it get some exclusive releases? Yes; but most will remain compatible across Switch OG and Switch Pro/Revision.
I don't know about that. I mean.. they haven't specifically done that, but they've announced games for one platform that got moved to another one, like Super Paper Mario.
It's anti-consumer announcing a game for one platform and then years later saying "just kidding, it's not coming to that platform".
You're selling people a product under false pretenses.
Holy shit how did I never know that.
Was there a big uproar about that?
I mean, Mother 3 was originally announced for the N64. Roadmaps change :)
i could be wrong, but i don't believe the wii u gpu had superior architecture to xenos, just a bit more of what it had (clock speed, transistors, etc.)
i know?
the wii was merely overclocked, literally no change in architecture whatsoever. as i said above, latte was xenos with more stuff tacked on. switch, i believe had to be powered down to be able to accomodate for the handheld portion.
Alright, Nintendo, my wallet is open. Just go ahead and grab what you need in there and give me the damn thing.
I thought that was always a Wii game or at least announced as one?
There was some but I don't remember exactly. The game was announced at Wii's big E3 so it was kind of weird.
The Switch's GPU is absolutely more perfomant in practice than what paper Flops would suggest and that is due to years of architectural improvements. To state otherwise is false the fact that the GPU is not running max clocks does not chsnge that.
Nope
Super Paper Mario announced for GameCube
Nintendo has revealed Super Paper Mario, a new 2D/3D side-scrolling platformer for the Nintendo GameCube.
www.videogamer.com
There were rumours about it becoming a Wii exclusive before the Wii launched though!
Anyway, can't really say I expect that to happen in this situation. MP4 and Bayo3 would be the likeliest options if they did do that kind of thing. Splatoon 3 was shown off as a game with no antialiasing and BotW should be safe as a 'cross gen' game which is kind of tradition at this point.
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Wii U had better GPU and more RAM but worse CPU than PS3/360.
Dinosaur Planet?
Also, MP4 is kind of a special case. It was announced suuuuuuuuper early, and then production was totally rebooted a long time after that initial announcement. Anybody buying a Switch solely for MP4 over the last couple of years is being foolish.
Dinosaur Planet I kinda get since it became a totally different game altogether.
But Super Paper Mario is a good example of this.
Still I think it's really shitty and would best be avoided.
MP4 is a game that exists largely for prestige and goodwill. There's no sense in risking that by making it revision-exclusive.
But they are about 10x as powerful and have better ecosystems, better online/voice/party work and get games that run far far better on their hardware.
And....portability for switch means zero to me personally. I never use it portably.
This is one of the only uses of anti consumer I agree with. Commit to the platforms you announced.
Apple's to oranges. Both types of product have their niche in the market and will sell easily. The more variety we have in gaming systems the healthier the market is in general.
And I only use it portability. It's by far my favorite thing about the system. I've had it since 2017 and I would bet that I've used it docked a total of 5-ish times.
Hold up, really? There are rumours about exclusive switch pro games? That sounds exciting.
Exclusive as in won't run on the base Switch, but will be on other platforms.
Nintendo won't hold third parties to release as many exclusives as they like. And this would turn Switch Pro into another GBC situation. It all depends on how fast Switch pro sales are.
GBC was supposed to be a GB revision but Nintendo allowed third parties to use full 56 color games. In the end GBC was a separate console with hundreds of exclusives even some from Nintendo.
There absolutely was not. At the time though people were pretty over the Gamecube and the Wii had a ton of hype behind it.
