I think this is the biggest issue tha the sequels have. It's basically retreading old ground, but Star Wars has so, so much lore that it can pull from and a vast universe to use, but we're getting the same story and I actually like the sequel trilogy.they also rely on something new to tell, a different plot than superweapons get destroyed by young wizard with lasersword. Not sure they will ever get this on track again.
People fell in love with Star Wars first because of the amazing and charismatic characters. On top of that you had well designed space ships and everything else...
Now SW is just another thing in the world. It's not special anymore.
The new movies are duds to me, honestly. Not surprised that kids aren't into them.
I wonder if he realizes calling someone a Mary Sue is bannable here (since it's a sexist term used to put down women). I am guessing no.
Mary Sue is an extremely sexist and offensive term and belittling of women across the board.
No one is going around calling Luke a "Mary sue" when blew up the Death Star having never flown a space ship or even been in space before for a reason.
Because he is a man. It's a a blatant and vile sexist term against women. And here you are doubling down on it. Really sad.
There is a reason the alt right love the term Mary Sue. Because it's fucking sexist.
It's beyond sexist and offensive you really should stop.
Mary Sue is a sexist term. It's slur against women. This isn't pre-Me Too anymore, it's not up for debate.What?
Luke would be a Gary Stu.
People have used these terms for years and years prior to the ST to describe flawless fictional characters. I've seen Superman called a Gary Stu a thousand times!
Mary Sue is a sexist term. It's slur against women. This isn't pre-Me Too anymore, it's not up for debate.
It's offensive, this isn't news here.
So what's the term for a fictional character that is overly competent in several areas and overcomes difficulties without much issue? It's a common trope in fiction that needs some kind of identifying term.
I am not sure why you are asking me. It's been accepted by society as a whole outside the alt-right that Mary Sue is a sexist term and seen as an insult towards women. There are countless articles on this and why it's a hateful sexist term that is seen as offensive.So what's the term for a fictional character that is overly competent in several areas and overcomes difficulties without much issue? It's a common trope in fiction that needs some kind of identifying term.
How about Luke's? Luke blew up the Death Star having never flown an x-wing before or even being in space before that day.
That might actually work lol.
This is also true. A large part of the success of the MCU comes down to having a man with a singular, wide-spanning vision for how all the stories interconnect and evolve. Not dissimilar to the role Lucas used to play.they just want to throw blame on the audience rather than their poor decisions. their movies just aren't that interesting
Mary Sue is an extremely sexist and offensive term and belittling of women across the board.
No one is going around calling Luke a "Mary sue" when blew up the Death Star having never flown a space ship or even been in space before for a reason.
Because he is a man. It's a a blatant and vile sexist term against women. And here you are doubling down on it. Really sad.
There is a reason the alt right love the term Mary Sue. Because it's fucking sexist.
It's beyond sexist and offensive you really should stop.
How about Luke's? Luke blew up the Death Star having never flown an x-wing before or even being in space before that day.
That description fits Luke in ANH a hell of a lot more than it does Rey in TFA or TLJ.
Yet people tend to get more bent out of shape when it's the woman character. I wonder why? 🤔
Nah, male version would be "Kirito" or "Kvothe"
Your pathetic attempt to make it seem like we think only female characters can have such writing flaws is not going to work,
Marvel pretty much took over with lots of movies, cartoons, lego games and tv shows.
Star Wars just has the movies and no cartoons or shows and the games have been disappointing (battlefront 2 was alright) so it's easy to see why kids don't like it. Solo didn't help either
Rey is perfectly fine
You know he's just as bad
"I just lost my virginity with the sexiest of spirits and I am now the god of sex"
"I really enjoy playing my instrument, let me create a new song that's the bestest song ever written while I play with a broken cord"
Thread title says that. But the posts in here do not.
There are a lot of people in this thread who are so deluded they actually think the sequel trilogy has been poorly received.
People being idiots isn't new.
What! People do name male characters Mary Sue. Look at fucking Kirito from Sword Art Online, or the hundreds of other isekai protagonists.Mary Sue is an extremely sexist and offensive term and belittling of women across the board.
No one is going around calling Luke a "Mary sue" when blew up the Death Star having never flown a space ship or even been in space before for a reason.
When the heroic sacrifice of Luke Skywalker is completely overshadowed by fucking Tony Stark's
You know you fucked up
Kids should be talking about it like TLJ shows them doing it (lol). They aren't.
But we are talking about kids, many of whom were in diapers or didn't even exist a decade ago. They've never known a world where comic book movies weren't the most mainstream form of entertainment. To them it's as if Iron Man has always been a bigger deal than Batman or Superman. Luke was last on screen in 1983, I wasn't even born then! Why wouldn't Tony Stark be a way bigger deal by an entire order of magnitude to this generation?Especially when a decade ago, no one outside of the hardcore comic nerds even knew who Tony Stark was.
Well yeah that's easy to understand, to a kid Luke is just some bitter old man who doesn't want to teach Rey cool shit, his sacrifice doesn't mean much if you don't have the OT nostalgia. Where as with Stark kids are growing up with him. The shadow of the decades old OT looms large over the ST, shit we got Sheev coming back.When the heroic sacrifice of Luke Skywalker is completely overshadowed by fucking Tony Stark's
You know you fucked up
Kids should be talking about it like TLJ shows them doing it (lol). They aren't.
When the heroic sacrifice of Luke Skywalker is completely overshadowed by fucking Tony Stark's
You know you fucked up.
In what way?The box office threads will be a hilarious read this December. No matter what, there will be spin doctoring.
"It made a billion dollars. Of course it didn't do Endgame numbers but what does?"
You think EP9 is going to only do 1B?"It made a billion dollars. Of course it didn't do Endgame numbers but what does?"
Some facts though:
1.) TFA domestically is easily still the no.1 movie, beating every MCU film.
2.) Of the 21 MCU movies only *three* (3/21) made appreciably more money than The Last Jedi and all three are Avengers films which are basically All-Star movies (something Star Wars can't really do unless they can somehow figure out how to put Qui-Gon, Darth Maul, Obi-Wan, Luke, Leia, Han, Lando, Chewie, Rey, Poe, Finn, BB8, R2, 3PO, Vader, Palpatine, Snoke, Kylo all into one movie).
3.) Rogue One made more money than more than half of the MCU films.
4.) Star Wars Battlefront, despite EA's best attempts to destroy/cripple the game IP before it even had a chance to get going still shipped 16 million copies.
5.) Toy sales for all toy lines, including Marvel are declining.
6.) Inflation adjusted even, the Disney sequel trilogy is going to make more money than the prequel trilogy. TFA beat TPM and the TLJ beat AOTC, likely Rise Of the Skywalker will also beat Revenge of the Sith even when you account for inflation. Which means Star Wars is more popular today than it was in the 2000s.
7. Solo made $400 million WW.
Actually, that is not a fact. It didn't even make that much.
..what?C'mon man...
I think that sentence can be read as a defense force quote or a troll quote, depending on inflection.
And only two MCU movies made less than it, the last in 2011.7. Solo made $400 million WW.
Actually, that is not a fact. It didn't even make that much.
And? One flop in 40 years as a film property is not too shabby.
Lets see where Marvel is at in 15 years, let alone 30.
Let's see where SW is 23 films in. I guess we'll see after the forced 2 year hiatus that SW will be on after this year.
Imagine Marvel needing to release in ideal windows in December for success.
Imagine Marvel not being able to release multiple films per year. Could SW release 3 films that all hit $1 Billion EACH in a year?
Imagine Marvel getting pushed off the release slate for blue smurfs.
Imagine Marvel having a massive universe watered down to being focused on one dysfunctional family.
Imagine.
I was talking about the sentence I wrote in quotes.
And yet you couldn't refute a single thing I posted.
Cause they are all facts.