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Bob Iger: "Following 'The Rise of Skywalker,' Star Wars will go on hiatus"
- Thread starter Kalmakov
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I like the show just fine, I'm just questioning the whole "every Star Wars movie would make tons of money if they just had diverse environments/characters like Clone Wars!".
I don't think so, I think you would quickly hit a saturation point no matter what. Just because something appeals to hardcore Star Wars fans doesn't mean it has mass appeal to Joe Average shelling out $12 a movie ticket or has appeal to say the Chinese market.
Ashoka is not one of the most popular Star Wars characters either, not by a long shot. Most average people don't know who the hell that is.
It's not like Solo was a terrible movie either, it was OK to "good". Star Wars is a event movie franchise, you can't just change it 35 years in and now say it's a yearly Marvel like series. That was always gonna end as a big problem for Disney and I would've said that 8 years ago, 5 years ago, whatever.
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CinemaScores discussion is always funny to me. I mean...by that metric a most people loved The Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones. They did get A- after all on CinemaScore.
Yeah, CinemaScore has never meant much to me.
Yes, it's really overrated here.
People.. Did enjoy them. The general audience went to see them and they performed very well at the box office.
General audience is different from folks who discuss SW online.
People keep conflating the two which is why we get misleading and sometimes flat out untrue narratives.
Every unit of measurement we have shows that the general audience largely enjoyed them.
Maybe they did..? People who love the prequels show up in these threads all the time.
Just CTRL-F "worldbuilding".
Inflation adjusted even, the Disney trilogy is going to destroy the prequel trilogy head to head.
Force Awakens - $2.06 billion
Phantom Menace - $1.67 billion (inflation adj + 3D re-release included)
The Last Jedi - $1.3 billion
Attack of the Clones - $900 million (inflation adjusted)
The Rise of Skywalker - ?
Revenge of the Sith - $1.1 billion (inflation adjusted)
The prequel trilogy is by objective metrics the most poorly received of the three trilogies, and it's not really even a small gap either.
Well, it's definitely popular now. It's the number 2 most watched show on Disney+
You can't just directly compare the trilogies in this way (adjusting for inflation), the movie industry wasn't the same in 99 as it is now. Also those movies had almost half the budget.
The bottom line is that the prequels were a shining success, financially. There's no way to spin it.
After TLJ, I decided to quietly just not be a SW fan anymore. I have had no interest in watching a new SW movie or show since.
No one I know came out of TLJ and has brought up any interest in SW since then. Purely anecdotal, ofc.
Honestly, it saddens me that they are gonna put the film efforts on hiatus for awhile. I may loathe TLJ, but for the people who enjoy the new Star Wars stuff, I wouldn't wanna deny them something they enjoy. I'm sure this icing won't last too long though.
lol i forgot what year it is. i think it'll be back in 2022 at the earliest and they'll alternate with the avatar sequels
coming off of one movie a year, that's as big of a gap I think we'll see
So weird to make a trilogy where the second movie doesn't set up anything interesting at all for the final movie. The hype just died after that movie and it doesn't help that the other movies are just prequels that doesn't help building the new universe in any way.
Good. Star Wars films have always been events spaced apart perfectly to create hype. That's what made them special. Treating them like the MCU was always wrong. Now that they have Disney +, they can tell their "stories" that way. Leave the theater for the epics.
It's weird reading posts like this when, imo, it did the exact opposite. By trying to wipe away what had been done in previous films, it created a blank canvas for the next director to go ape shit and use their imagination without the restraints of the Skywalkers. That was until they announced JJ Abrams. I knew he would go and make a film full of fan service if it meant making a Skywalker zombie film. I can't wait for the next trilogy because hopefully the Sywalkers are not in it. Give me originality any day.
It's weird reading posts like this when, imo, it did the exact opposite. By trying to wipe away what had been done in previous films, it created a blank canvas for the next director to go ape shit and use their imagination without the restraints of the Skywalkers. That was until they announced JJ Abrams. I knew he would go and make a film full of fan service if it meant making a Skywalker zombie film. I can't wait for the next trilogy because hopefully the Sywalkers are not in it. Give me originality any day.
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The prequels could've been Lucas taking a dump on a toilet for 2 hours and they would've made a good deal of profit, I'm just saying they are going to be by objective metrics the lowest box office Star Wars trilogy and the worst critically received as well.
Thanks for the link to CinemaScore. I'm having a blast looking at the scores for notably bad movies like Jack and Jill and That's My Boy getting Bs. XD
I don't understand why so many people can't wrap their head around this.
You can't take an "event" franchise that's even know for *decades* in between movies for all the top grossing ones and then suddenly 35 years into that established pattern say you're becoming a yearly film franchise now.
People who thought that would work with no problems were naive.
Star Wars movies are not easily digestable either ... it's not like popping down a slice of pizza. It's more like a steak dinner.
The movies are not "light", they are usually fairly serious and require you to have some understanding of the lore/meta-universe in a way that say Marvel does not. There's not much joking in Star Wars movies, there's no "New York City" in Star Wars movies to contemporize the films when they need to be brought down to earth.
Star Wars fanatics can't understand that stuff like that is important to average/casual movie goers.
That's not what my point was, my point was that it's pretty clear that general audience enjoyed the prequels; it's reflected in the box office returns and the CinemaScores.
How else can we interpret 2.5B off of a 350M budget and A- scores?
I never argued anything about it's critical reception or whether its quality is on par with the other trilogies.
Personally, i highly disagree. It's a Trilogy, which means by nature, it's a three act show. Leaving director number three nothing to go off of aside from Kylo vs Rey leaves way too much time open for a presumed 2 hour film to cover. TLJ wrapped most of the plotlines up by nuking them off the face of the earth and left me completely apathetic to any sequel. There's nothing left to cover aside from JJ having to clean up the massive trainwreck TLJ did to the narrative.
That's strange because they have an A+ to F scale:
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This is like...worse than game industry standards then. At least if a game averages 75 it's still considered a "good" game. Which would be a C on the CinemaScore scale.
But Bs are considered terrible? Shesh...dont say that to the rare movie that gets C and Ds. They must be mega awful. I mean worse than the considered worse movies of the decade but... *shrug*
Objectively the box office for the prequels is lower than the other two trilogies too. It's not just critical opinion.
This is fair. Even though I generally think the sequel trilogy is pretty good as standalone films, as a coherent trilogy, it's pretty clear this was not thought out in advance and Rian Johnson, while a talented filmmaker who did make a competent film really did not care much for a cohesive trilogy over doing what he wanted.
JJ Abrams gave notes for where VIII and IX were supposed to go, if you're hiring JJ as the director of VII, then you've kinda made your bed. You can't now just change half way through and go into a radically different direction.
That said there are plenty of poor Terminator, Ghostbusters, Aliens, Transformers, Independence Day, etc. etc. fans who would give their left leg to have a new franchise instalment in their series' anywhere near the quality as TFA or TLJ. I mean shit, TFA is a much better movie than Star Trek 2009, and Star Trek fans were over the freaking moon for that film.
You keep using inflation as a 1:1 comparison of a trilogy that began in 1999. This is unrealistic and misleading.
That being said, whether or not it being on par with either trilogy is irrelevant to my point.. That audiences generally enjoyed the prequels, as evidenced by the metrics we have available to us.
There's no way to spin 2.5B off of 350M as "audiences didn't really like these movies" lol
It's not really that misleading at all, you have to use some form of inflation to compare films from disparate time points.
If you use no inflation, you do realize the results are actually worse for the prequels right?
.. Yes, I'm saying it's misleading to just focus on inflation over the span of decades.
Regardless, are you going to argue that audiences generally didn't like them? They just.. Continued to see them and throw obscene amounts of money at them?
And their CinemaScores are irrelevant because.. Reasons
Depends on what your definition of "like" is. They were going to make money just because of how huge the Star Wars IP was coming off the 80s/90s.
It's like the next Call of Duty could be an average game, but it's still going to sell millions of copies no matter what.
You know, it's quite possible that a lot of people also like CoD. It's almost like people spend money on things they enjoy. Like=enjoy
What's your argument here? People don't like SW or CoD, but fork over their hard earned money on them? Lol
I don't know why you keep bringing up quality when it never had anything to do with my argument.
Venom is sitting at 29% RT yet made over 850M WW. Critic reception doesn't always reflect audience reception.
Also, comparatively, TFA's budget to domestic and WW totals matches TPM.
Fake news.
Despite what Daisy Ridley said and how media outlets with an agenda ran with her comments, there was no outline for eps 7 and 8.
Abrams and Kasdan were under intense pressure to finish a script for 7. And Rian Johnson was writing his script for 8 as TFA was shooting. He was literally writing as dailies were coming in. There was no time for Kasdan and Abrams to write sequel outlines.
And Abrams was closely involved with Johnson in the hand off:
"The script for VIII is written. I'm sure rewrites are going to be endless, like they always are. But what Larry and I did was set up certain key relationships, certain key questions, conflicts. And we knew where certain things were going. We had meetings with Rian and Ram Bergman, the producer of VIII. They were watching dailies when we were shooting our movie. We wanted them to be part of the process, to make the transition to their film as seamless as possible. I showed Rian an early cut of the movie, because I knew he was doing his rewrite and prepping. And as executive producer of VIII, I need that movie to be really good. Withholding serves no one and certainly not the fans. So we've been as transparent as possible."
"Rian has asked for a couple of things here and there that he needs for his story. He is an incredibly accomplished filmmaker and an incredibly strong writer. So the story he told took what we were doing and went in the direction that he felt was best but that is very much in line with what we were thinking as well. But you're right—that will be his movie; he's going to do it in the way he sees fit. He's neither asking for nor does he need me to oversee the process.
It's not "fake news" unless you are saying Daisy Ridley was lying about what she said, and as far as I know she's never back tracked on that comment.
There was an outline for VIII and IX provided by Abrams. Rian Johnson chose not to use it, per Ridley. If you can discount that, please post the link.
It's not as if an outline takes 8 years to write. You can write a basic outline in a week or two.
According to we got this covered test screenings was a disaster before Lucas was called in to fix it.
They seem to be having issues locking down a final cut of the movie and that has me a little worried,
EDIT: There may be SPOILERS in the article.
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They seem to be having issues locking down a final cut of the movie and that has me a little worried,
EDIT: There may be SPOILERS in the article.
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We Got This Covered isn't reliable
Also this article at least links to spoilers
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Maybe he can get around to fixing Phantom Menace, Attack of the Clones, Revenge of the Sith, Star Wars A New Hope Special Edition, and Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull while he's at it.
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Iger's statement seems to have caused some of the fake entertainment news sites and YouTube channels (the kind that use the phrase "get woke, go broke" unironically) to generate some elaborate new stories. A few popped up in my Google news feed, which I laughed at before filtering out their sources.
Let me think of some of their claims, as they're jumbled together in my head:
- Disney held screenings of ROS (they do not hold public screenings for Star Wars movies.... they're more secretive than the Game of Thrones production was) and the crowd laughed at the first cut, which made Iger angry so he forced a second cut which audiences liked more, but finally George Lucas was commissioned to redo the movie and completely change the final act. Yes, they're expecting people to believe that Disney ran to George Lucas to direct the final reshoots of the film
- Disney has spent 300 million dollars on reshoots (haha)
- They used George Lucas's idea to write in a new secret Skywalker character
This whole thing is quickly becoming a circus. I just want to see the final film in this saga I've been watching since I was four then never participate in Star Wars debate or speculation on the Internet ever again.
Let me think of some of their claims, as they're jumbled together in my head:
- Disney held screenings of ROS (they do not hold public screenings for Star Wars movies.... they're more secretive than the Game of Thrones production was) and the crowd laughed at the first cut, which made Iger angry so he forced a second cut which audiences liked more, but finally George Lucas was commissioned to redo the movie and completely change the final act. Yes, they're expecting people to believe that Disney ran to George Lucas to direct the final reshoots of the film
- Disney has spent 300 million dollars on reshoots (haha)
- They used George Lucas's idea to write in a new secret Skywalker character
This whole thing is quickly becoming a circus. I just want to see the final film in this saga I've been watching since I was four then never participate in Star Wars debate or speculation on the Internet ever again.
It's totally dumb fan fiction because you can tell they used the whole Rey = Mary Sue to highlight the Palpatine being beaten so easily beat and of course the bit with
Mannequin Skywalker back
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Totally clears George Lucas, thank you!
I don't think this is true at all either and introducing a new skywalker like that would be the mcguffin rule of storytelling and no way in hell would they do that.
Luke kinda forgot about the kid he had with that stripper on Mos Eisley.
Made it one of the biggest franchises on the planet? Rian Johnson and Disney sent it spiraling down in a nosedive.
I have this from a pretty reliable source (my cousin's uncles aunt's sister's brother's nurse works for Iger)
- Iger saw a screening of Episode IX and raged at Abrams for 30 minutes yelling "I fucking knew it! Shoulda hired Fiege! You'll never work in this fucking town again! Someone call Ari Gold!"
- He greenlit 5 more Marvel movies on the spot to shame Abrams and proclaimed "I'm done with this fucking space wars laser sword shit"
- George Lucas was brought on board and suggested reworking the film around a CG character named Darth Icky Wicky Sticky and a musical number where Rey encounters singing microscopic midicholorians. This sequence also has her Force training like Rocky for 30 minutes just to make it clear you have to train in the Force.
- Anakin Skywalker shows up at the end and destroys Palpatine with Force Lightning from his penis. The last line of the trilogy will be "I hate sand ... but I love dick lightning", which ties all the trilogies together.
Some details may be off a bit, but I'm pretty confident in my sources.
- Iger saw a screening of Episode IX and raged at Abrams for 30 minutes yelling "I fucking knew it! Shoulda hired Fiege! You'll never work in this fucking town again! Someone call Ari Gold!"
- He greenlit 5 more Marvel movies on the spot to shame Abrams and proclaimed "I'm done with this fucking space wars laser sword shit"
- George Lucas was brought on board and suggested reworking the film around a CG character named Darth Icky Wicky Sticky and a musical number where Rey encounters singing microscopic midicholorians. This sequence also has her Force training like Rocky for 30 minutes just to make it clear you have to train in the Force.
- Anakin Skywalker shows up at the end and destroys Palpatine with Force Lightning from his penis. The last line of the trilogy will be "I hate sand ... but I love dick lightning", which ties all the trilogies together.
Some details may be off a bit, but I'm pretty confident in my sources.
Do not link to that website, their "source" is a alt right Youtuber.
How hard is it to check sources before posting things? God damn.