I bet in years to come people will still be talking about Kratos' journey to spread the ashes in God of War, or how bittersweet RDR2's story was.
Breath of The Wild Released Four Years Ago. Has any other game had a shot at claiming the title "Best of All Time" since then?
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I mean pretty clear what games you are implying by deduction of certain games in the poll, so....
Although I appreciate GoW, TLOU2, RDR2 and others like Horizon Zero Dawn I still think BOTW is the best game that has come out in the last decade and one that really rekindled my love for gaming at a time I was a bit out of it.
I know that since story and narrative are such important factors that BOTW falls short in that regards vs the other I mentioned, but gameplay is so good it makes up for it. I also think the story in BOTW is the best done in a Zelda game but the presentation of it made people hate it.
We keep seeing thread of new mechanics found in the game. Nothing huge but it was the huge amount of these small attention to detail gameplay bits that made the game so memorable. Getting hit by lighting the first time, discovering another world puzzle in the 100th hr or play, waking up on Eventide island, climbing to the top of a peak or to the bottom or a ravine and the you find the hidden item or shrine you thought might be there. The rewards or exploration and messing around with the mechanics is so damn big.
I think in these other amazing games I mentioned you see a lot of these surprises in character animations, lines of dialogue or reaction to the environment, but almost never do you see them in the gameplay department like in BOTW.
imagine if in RDR2 you went to the bottom of some ravine and found some random treasure, not necessarily having to wait for the map or anything. I wish these other games would rewards exploration in better ways but I think they do have a better balance. To me in BOTW the reward was exploration itself since the seeds and other items were just meh, but the reward or exploration was so so good. In these other games the reward of exploration is not as big but the rewards themselves are.
I know that since story and narrative are such important factors that BOTW falls short in that regards vs the other I mentioned, but gameplay is so good it makes up for it. I also think the story in BOTW is the best done in a Zelda game but the presentation of it made people hate it.
We keep seeing thread of new mechanics found in the game. Nothing huge but it was the huge amount of these small attention to detail gameplay bits that made the game so memorable. Getting hit by lighting the first time, discovering another world puzzle in the 100th hr or play, waking up on Eventide island, climbing to the top of a peak or to the bottom or a ravine and the you find the hidden item or shrine you thought might be there. The rewards or exploration and messing around with the mechanics is so damn big.
I think in these other amazing games I mentioned you see a lot of these surprises in character animations, lines of dialogue or reaction to the environment, but almost never do you see them in the gameplay department like in BOTW.
imagine if in RDR2 you went to the bottom of some ravine and found some random treasure, not necessarily having to wait for the map or anything. I wish these other games would rewards exploration in better ways but I think they do have a better balance. To me in BOTW the reward was exploration itself since the seeds and other items were just meh, but the reward or exploration was so so good. In these other games the reward of exploration is not as big but the rewards themselves are.
For me, it's a toss between Zelda and Last of Us.
Zelda released at a moment I was having a hard time at work, even needed a time out from work. Zelda had a very soothing effect on me; it was the perfect medicine/needed 'escape' from reality (maybe 2 hours a day)!
Last of Us II came along when I had just become a father. I got some extra gametime to spend between the 2 hourly nurturing of my son. I loved every fucking minute of that game..! Each encounter had me on edge and did something different from the last encounter. Not to mention the typical Naughty Dog Magic; how the fuck do they always do it?! With those graphics, animations, details, music, etc.
For now, I can't decide between the 2 games as my GOAT (at this moment).
Zelda released at a moment I was having a hard time at work, even needed a time out from work. Zelda had a very soothing effect on me; it was the perfect medicine/needed 'escape' from reality (maybe 2 hours a day)!
Last of Us II came along when I had just become a father. I got some extra gametime to spend between the 2 hourly nurturing of my son. I loved every fucking minute of that game..! Each encounter had me on edge and did something different from the last encounter. Not to mention the typical Naughty Dog Magic; how the fuck do they always do it?! With those graphics, animations, details, music, etc.
For now, I can't decide between the 2 games as my GOAT (at this moment).
And it also runs like shit. Whatever knock one might conjure up for the game (and it does deserve criticism, like all things) does not diminish my opinion that it is elegantly and holistically designed. It's a masterwork.
Same here. I adore Zelda (OOT is my favorite game of all time) but BOTW ranks in the bottom half of Zelda games for me.
I don't think any game is worth GOAT in the last few years but some definitely have come close - God of War, TLOU2 and I'd even argue Smash Ultimate, FFVIIR and 13 Sentinels on a personal level.
You were doing this earlier with Minecraft. This kind of "Ha ha, they'll never defend Minecraft of all things." approach. But there's nothing wrong with kids' games, or kids' media. They generally contribute to making the world a better place. I'll take Minecraft and the Muppets over GTA and Breaking Bad any day of the week.
For me personally there are a handful of games that have matched or exceeded BOTW since it came out. If you took any kind of consensus poll, especially in this corner of the Internet, I think BOTW still walks away with it.
And considering that a top tier ND and R* have released since then, that is no small accomplishment. Even if I preferred both of those two games.
And considering that a top tier ND and R* have released since then, that is no small accomplishment. Even if I preferred both of those two games.
I really don't think so. I don't think people appreciate the subtlety of Nintendo's design ethos. Breath of the Wild kind of effortlessly stepped into the open world game design realm and made something far superior to anything of that style that came before or after it, in my opinion.
I can see an argument for Red Dead 2 but honestly I have a million criticisms of that game. the design of the game was fine but the actual missions were incredibly annoying for the vast majority of the game. I don't really see what defines as distinct from say, red dead one. At the end of the day it's just more of that. Which is fine but it's not like it was some paradigm shift.
To me, breath of the wild is just a thing of beauty. A real work of art. As a piece of game design, all it's interlocking parts were just incredibly inspiring. I still play it to this day where as I can't ever see myself going back to the endless slog of something like red dead after I've already absorbed the story beats. The actual mechanics of the game are just another open world shooter.
I can see an argument for Red Dead 2 but honestly I have a million criticisms of that game. the design of the game was fine but the actual missions were incredibly annoying for the vast majority of the game. I don't really see what defines as distinct from say, red dead one. At the end of the day it's just more of that. Which is fine but it's not like it was some paradigm shift.
To me, breath of the wild is just a thing of beauty. A real work of art. As a piece of game design, all it's interlocking parts were just incredibly inspiring. I still play it to this day where as I can't ever see myself going back to the endless slog of something like red dead after I've already absorbed the story beats. The actual mechanics of the game are just another open world shooter.
I never said that though?? All I said was Minecraft would be considered the GOAT if going off stream numbers. I wouldn't call Nintendo games kiddy games either, because it's deductive. Same with calling games "gotybait". Implying that these people spend years making games just to win awards and don't put anything else in. What is the point of just being generalizing of entire "genres" of stuff?
The controls, combat, breaking weapons, repetitive enemies on the map, repetitive shrine puzzles, general emptiness of the world, light story, and focus on exploration but no reward incentive makes it far from a masterwork. Its a good Nintendo game, probably the most ambitious thing they have ever produced, but actually playing it for me was tedious and just boring. I hope BotW2 actually feels fun to play as Link with a variety of enemies and exploration leading to interesting areas to say the least
I love Yakuza 0, but I wouldn't say that it really pushes the medium forward. Still need to play Tetris Effect
My point is that Nintendo makes kiddie games, and there's nothing wrong with acknowledging that. Just like there's nothing wrong with a game being called "gotybait" or "prestige" games, cause that's very much what they are. These are games whose creators and fans are very invested in their status as serious art. As something that's not like those other, common-denominator, popular games. Just look at the number of people (including you) who brought up Minecraft and Fortnight in response to what I said earlier.
Then why do people get bothered when people say Nintendo is for kids?
I don't think that any of those games (or any game from the last four years) tops Breath of the Wild. Something like Red Dead 2 is an impressive achievement - it can be very immersive, has great visuals and a solid story, etc. - but I don't think that it's actually that great of a game.
A toss up between Breath of the Wild and Last of Us Part II in my eyes.
There are some games like Red Dead Redemption II, God of War and Hollow Knight that comes close, but i would still put Part II and BOTW ahead as the most impressive games of this decade. Both games are almost perfect and will be talked about for years to come.
There are some games like Red Dead Redemption II, God of War and Hollow Knight that comes close, but i would still put Part II and BOTW ahead as the most impressive games of this decade. Both games are almost perfect and will be talked about for years to come.
They make games for all ages so pigeon holing them to just kids is moronic.
Hmm...correct. Just like pigeon holling all Sony games together is moronic. Maybe we can just not generalize anything and just say we all have different preferences.
I think RDR2 is the only game in the running. What's neat is that RDR2 and BotW are, broadly speaking, the same kind of game. Detailed open world exploration with a strong story plot. But they are such different takes on that genre it's fun to compare. Long run I think I prefer the RDR2 take because it has more complexity. But then BotW is fantastic for its perfection and simplicity. It's great to have both.
To contrast, a game I'm enjoying very much right now is Assassin's Creed: Valhalla. Also in the same genre. But it has that trademark Ubisoft open world blandness. The world is beautiful but not very rich or varied. The story is well written and acted and yet kinda flat. I still love this game and will easily dump 100 hours into it, but it's just a level or two below RDR2 and BotW.
To contrast, a game I'm enjoying very much right now is Assassin's Creed: Valhalla. Also in the same genre. But it has that trademark Ubisoft open world blandness. The world is beautiful but not very rich or varied. The story is well written and acted and yet kinda flat. I still love this game and will easily dump 100 hours into it, but it's just a level or two below RDR2 and BotW.
Didn't enjoy botw tried to come back to it trice and never clicked on me
as for others like tlou2 it started great.. middle is eh.. and the last part especially towards the end fells flat.. gameplay is a evolution of tlou1 tho but doesn't really add anything special apart from accessibility
as for others like tlou2 it started great.. middle is eh.. and the last part especially towards the end fells flat.. gameplay is a evolution of tlou1 tho but doesn't really add anything special apart from accessibility
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Yes how I feel, too. TLoU2's story and performances really moved me. It was phenomenally well done.
The pure child-like joy I felt playing BoTW hasn't been close to being replicated by anything else since, besides Mario Odyssey.
BoTW is cemented as my GOAT.
That child-like giddy/excitement I got when I first played OoT and Mario 64 was recreated for me too in BOTW. Truly remarkable.
You guys articulated what I feel playing BotW - a child-like joy, a sense of wonderment and maybe the only genuinely compelling sense of exploration in a video game I've ever felt.
I wonder if I'll ever see another open world game like this again.
Yeah this is the exact same way in which my father describes how it felt playing BoTW (hes put 300 hours into the game and hasn't played a game to completion since Halo 2).
He says Mario 64 was the first and only "holy shit" moment hes had playing a video game before BoTW.
Breath of the Wild seems like the only one that will be remembered in the vein of Mario 64 or Ocarina of Time even a decade from now.
Not that the other games don't have merits of their own, but only a handful of titles become milestones in videogames. BotW is that.
Not that the other games don't have merits of their own, but only a handful of titles become milestones in videogames. BotW is that.
fully agreed. in 10 or 20 years, botw will be spoken about on the same level as other timeless classics.
Yeah, Outer Wilds is one of the scariest non-horror games I have played. Where BotW is often about the child-like joy and wonder that exploring the natural world can give you, Outer Wilds is often about the sheer terror and overwhelming sense of dread that can come with exploring a strange and dangerous new environment and being confronted with vastness of space. Both games nail these particular feeling, which is why I hold both of them in such high regard.
More people voted for it.How is TLOU2 in front of God of War?!
I was gonna say Resident Evil 7 VR but I guess it came out 2 months before BOTW. But still. Resi 7 VR.
I don't think anything's released since BOTW that people could collectively agree is a potential GOAT candidate.
It's a better game.
How is TLOU2 in front of God of War?!
It's a better game.
Half Life: Alyx - the only true next gen, fully realized VR campaign. Greatest of all time. Walking dead SS and boneworks are fine but not in the same league.
God of War 2018 is a good pick too.
Breath of the Wild couldve been the best zelda if it had good main dungeons instead of the divine beasts. No, the puzzle rooms around the world dont make up for it. Reminds me of the almost great status of Windwaker, a game plaged by an atrocious back half and brain dead easy difficulty.
Hollow knights map is atrocious and a slog to get through. Looks good though.
Red Dead 2 is a slow, shit controlling, boring ass game with one, if not the most impressive open world.
Havent played Last of Us 2 but a homage to 1970's revenge movies dosent sound too appealing. I had my rotten.com fascination when i was 15 and grew out of it. Also, im not a graphics whore, so the mediocre feeling of movement and shooting of naughty dog games will get judged by what it is. Still, it can impress me, I will play it someday.
God of War 2018 is a good pick too.
Breath of the Wild couldve been the best zelda if it had good main dungeons instead of the divine beasts. No, the puzzle rooms around the world dont make up for it. Reminds me of the almost great status of Windwaker, a game plaged by an atrocious back half and brain dead easy difficulty.
Hollow knights map is atrocious and a slog to get through. Looks good though.
Red Dead 2 is a slow, shit controlling, boring ass game with one, if not the most impressive open world.
Havent played Last of Us 2 but a homage to 1970's revenge movies dosent sound too appealing. I had my rotten.com fascination when i was 15 and grew out of it. Also, im not a graphics whore, so the mediocre feeling of movement and shooting of naughty dog games will get judged by what it is. Still, it can impress me, I will play it someday.