Red white and blue
you know, like the colour of the French fla- wait, no...
Anyhoo, greetings, fellow traitors and saboteurs.
Brexit really is going to be one of those things where history students in 100 years wonder how everyone involved was such a moron
So did any leavers make it in or...?
I mean I'm not complaining.
Assuming most of the rest of you are Brits living in Britain, has Brexit made you re-evaluate where you plan to live in the future. If so how far along are your plans?
I moved to Germany 6 years ago and couldn't be happier with that decision.
Particularly, the fact that it appears to me that the EU is far too interested in supporting corporations (see the European Commission planning to create a law which forces websites to host a "Content ID" like system, or the fact that the full study on piracy was hidden for 4 years).
So did any leavers make it in or...?
I mean I'm not complaining.
So did any leavers make it in or...?
I mean I'm not complaining.
I voted remain, but I am now firmly of the opinion we are leaving, so stop moaning, or remoaning ( I know cheesy) and lets get on with it
Not necessarily Brexit-specific, but do you think a modern democracy should discount the possibility of changing one's mind, disagreeing, protesting, etc? Surely it's the epitome of folly to follow through with something you know to be damaging just because you said you would?
If it were so black and white, surely the EU membership debate should have been put to bed forever when we signed up in the 70s? When would be an acceptable time to revisit the subject if/when we do leave?
Assuming most of the rest of you are Brits living in Britain, has Brexit made you re-evaluate where you plan to live in the future. If so how far along are your plans?
I moved to Germany 6 years ago and couldn't be happier with that decision.
I voted remain, but I am now firmly of the opinion we are leaving, so stop moaning, or remoaning ( I know cheesy) and lets get on with it
Not necessarily Brexit-specific, but do you think a modern democracy should discount the possibility of changing one's mind, disagreeing, protesting, etc? Surely it's the epitome of folly to follow through with something you know to be damaging just because you said you would?
If it were so black and white, surely the EU membership debate should have been put to bed forever when we signed up in the 70s? When would be an acceptable time to revisit the subject if/when we do leave?
Assuming most of the rest of you are Brits living in Britain, has Brexit made you re-evaluate where you plan to live in the future. If so how far along are your plans?
I moved to Germany 6 years ago and couldn't be happier with that decision.
I voted remain, and I am a firm believer of still fighting for our EU membership. Currently it looks like we are on track for a no deal Brexit, I don't even want to imagine what that would do to our economy.
That's the bit that terrifies me - we've somehow gone from a 52% win for Leave - where nobody really knew what they were voting for - to a head on crash scenario that I can't believe anyone with much common sense wants. All because of this 'will of the people' being used to powergrab.
I voted remain, and I am a firm believer of still fighting for our EU membership. Currently it looks like we are on track for a no deal Brexit, I don't even want to imagine what that would do to our economy.
Very good points, and you are of course correct, there should be in normal circumstances all of the above, I am just sick of it, there are so many issues in our society that are now not getting any traction as Brexit is all encompassing, infact it made news the other day when at PMQ the commentator noted it took 12 mins before Brexit was raised, I want it sorted so. Education, NHS etc start gettting the main focus again
I honestly feel that won't be a no deal, firstly I don't see that getting through Parliament and secondly the tories are not that stupid
One would hope anyway
Nothing - if it happens the government will collapse before we leave. The Tories need a deal as badly as they claim the EU wants one.
I'm far from convinced on that.
I hoped we wouldn't be stupid enough to leave the EU, but there we go.
I do think there will be a last minute fudge of a deal, but this just makes all our ministers look idiotic beyond belief.
Nothing - if it happens the government will collapse before we leave. The Tories need a deal as badly as they claim the EU wants one.
The tories are more than capable to manage a crisis into a decades long recession before throwing the towel in. I fear you assume far too much good faith in them.Nothing - if it happens the government will collapse before we leave. The Tories need a deal as badly as they claim the EU wants one.
They've gone to make trade deals with gaming-age.comSo did any leavers make it in or...?
I mean I'm not complaining.
Brexit to me feels like a runaway train, and there is two tracks, one has one person on it and other has five people on it, which track do you send the train down? the one person being the current generation, the 5 people being the future
There is no stopping the train
I think the Iraq war analogy is a good one. Despite the protests, it did have popular support at the time, and by a higher margin than Brexit. Although I favoured the diplomatic/UN/weapons inspector route, I didn't think things could get much worse than the situation with Saddam - so I didn't vigorously oppose the war.
Public opinion only changed when we realised what a mess it was and how we had no plan beyond "get rid of Saddam".
Most people assumed there was some sort of plan for post-Saddam and money to pay for rebuilding Iraq - but it turned out that no-one had thought that far ahead. It turned out that giving people the right to vote doesn't automatically provide a workable solution when the population is fundamentally split.
I think anti-Brexit opinion will rise as the impacts are felt. There's a limit to how far the public will accept "It's the EU's fault" just like there was a limit to "But Saddam was a really evil man".
I expect a lot of leavers will invent some alternative Brexit that might've worked, just like some people think there's a way we could've won the Iraq war without fucking up the country. But no-one will support the Brexit we get and May/Boris/Fox/Davis/Gove will have Blair-like reputation damage.
We will allow you to recall your Article 50 notification.Now, I want it noted - I said I was going to take a break from the original Brexit thread; I never said anything about this thread.
Lovely to see you all again.
According to polls 30%~ of the population will never change their mind no matter how bad things get, they think leaving is worth any cost.
Nein, das ist natuerlich quatsch. Deutsch wird jetzt die primaere Amtssprache, niemand wird gezwungen Franzoesisch zu sprechen.
Judging by my cousins 5 years of German lessons in the UK, language training is rather rubbish....
Oh, we're shocking at it. The whole 'everyone speaks English' attitude is very noticeable in every school I've taught in. I usually get the 'I don't believe in God, so why do I need Religious Studies' insteadJudging by my cousins 5 years of German lessons in the UK, language training is rather rubbish....
This, and I am glad huw posted, as this reminded me, The Lib Dem's performance at the elections showed that the country as a whole does not have a huge appetite for a second referendum... other issues aside they were the party of no Brexit and it had little to no affect on their performance
So did any leavers make it in or...?
I mean I'm not complaining.
Brace yourselves, I think Quiche will be on the next wave in an hour or two's time.
:pIf you use the search function at the top searching by member brings up a list and their avatar he's there.
It's pretty nifty.