The Inner House of the Court of Session is booked for a hearing on Monday. If he fails to comply with undertakings given to the court, I'd be positive they'd issue a remedy on Monday or Tuesday by the latest.
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BREXIT |OT2.0| A parade of endless victories for Boris Johnson
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The Inner House of the Court of Session is booked for a hearing on Monday. If he fails to comply with undertakings given to the court, I'd be positive they'd issue a remedy on Monday or Tuesday by the latest.
I wonder if BJ will try to get around benn by asking the EU to delay the decision on a extension for another week or so.
Depending on how well negotiations are going i could see the EU calling a emergency summit for late october to offer some good will to boris and ERG.
Boris can argue he requested a extension and will stay away from legal trouble.
Depending on how well negotiations are going i could see the EU calling a emergency summit for late october to offer some good will to boris and ERG.
Boris can argue he requested a extension and will stay away from legal trouble.
Surely it specifies a minimum duration for the extension? Otherwise he could just ask for an extra 5 minutes.
As I understand there is 20 Labour MPs who will support a deal as they are in a leave area.. obviously this is what Kinnock is saying, the number could be lower or higher
The format of the letter is mandated by the act. It asks for an extension until the end of January 2020.
I'm worried this could be a ploy to get a shorter extension 'to get the deal done and through parliament' and that somehow renders Benn inert so they can then run the clock down to no deal. Or 'my deal or no deal' kind of thing.
Wow this is shit. "Yeah it's a bad idea but... What if it helps us"
Looks like a deal is nearly done. Barnier has told the GAC that there's a good chance the EU and UK could have a consolidated legal text to present by Thursday.
Edit: maybe not, the briefing is all over the shop.
Looks like the DUP are saying nope as well.
Edit: maybe not, the briefing is all over the shop.
Looks like the DUP are saying nope as well.
they just don't want the blame. They'll try until the last minute but everyone knows the problem is the UK
I mean if the UK agrees Level Playing field provisions then this deal is a million times better for them than May's deal. There's the blame game to consider as well for both sides. No one can now say they didn't give it a go.
They're not supposed to do anything retrospectively. What they are supposed to do is acknowledge he is unfit to be on the BBC and will no longer be invited on, which is what I asked them to do in my complaint, and something they singularly failed to do.
Hold on I've taken my eyes off of Brexit for a few weeks - are we now saying that all the ardent ERG surrender bill lot are going to fold and vote through whatever deal Johnson comes back with?
I think it will go through on it's own, there are enough Labour leavers to take it over the line and the ERG know that it's either this Brexit or no Brexit. The Tories know that no deal or a further delay are electoral poison, Boris never cared about this stuff to begin with so he will compromise on anything if it means getting a deal. Getting a deal is the best route for him to win the next GE which is all he cares about at this point.
The Tories would rather retain power with a softer Brexit than lose power with a no deal.
I'm seriously hoping this is all posturing, as I can't believe we could end up at this half arsed, negotiated in a week, hodge podge of a deal.
We've basically negatived ourselves into a corner, we didn't want THE deal, we didn't want no deal, the electorate is sick of it all and we end up with whatever comes out of these talks.
We've basically negatived ourselves into a corner, we didn't want THE deal, we didn't want no deal, the electorate is sick of it all and we end up with whatever comes out of these talks.
The commentariat always thought it would come down to the last days before the deadline, it's not a great surprise. It's not like they are coming up with new ideas, just regurgitating a previous version of the backstop. It will come down to whether Boris can spin it as a glorious Red White and Blue Brexit that also doffs the cap to our dear friends in Europe. With the power of the newspapers behind him he will probably be able to pull it off.
It's actually more than the backstop, a lot more. This is NI in the SM (for goods) and a defacto Customs Union with the EU. The only difference is the UK is pretending that NI is still in the UK's 'custom union' (it is legally but in practice it'll be using the EU customs code and enforcing EU tariffs so practically it's in a CU with the EU)
The backstop was only a halfway house, this the permanent end state in NI.
This is a very good deal for the EU if they can get LPF commitments, if they can't I doubt they take the risk.
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The EU only makes internal deals at the last minute to keep unity, external deals it doesn't. The EU is very concerned with precedent on external deals: it doesn't rush into external deals.
The thing is, I suspect the majority of the public would have been happy with May's deal, many then were happy to default to no deal. So I again, suspect, they will be happy with Boris's deal, even though it represents a climb down from our government.
The details of Brexit have never mattered, if they did, we wouldn't be leaving Europe, as it's stupid. It's all about the aesthetic of sticking it to the man, the man this time being our closest neighbours, who we have convinced ourselves are trying to fleece us.
I just want us to leave with the best deal possible, if we must leave. Instead it feels like we have just ended up with wahtever deal was available because all th bluster turned out to just be bluster. We are not so vital to everyone else in Europe that they will significantly disadvantage themselves our our benefit. Who knew?
I am actually expecting nothing to be completed, as I think this is just posturing from all sides, who also expect nothing to happen. The air of acceptance, even from the ERG is just making me nervous .
As you say, this was never about leaving with the best possible deal.
The Tories had two prorities once the Leave vote happened:
1. Retain power
2. Get a deal that allows for financial deregulation
Nothing else matters. If they have to piss on the DUP then they will do it, there are enough idiots on the Labour side who will push it through.
There's no way a deal can be reached this week if the UK hasn't provided a legal text.
Just the translation and legal scrubs to be presented to the EU 27 will take some days.
Obvious posturing from the EU
Just the translation and legal scrubs to be presented to the EU 27 will take some days.
Obvious posturing from the EU
I stand corrected... I think. It's still a weird argument when we have data showing this helps the Tories and only supposition that it doesn't.
Actually I believe it's different for different forms of ID. For example people with driving licences are more likely to lean Tory, while people with bus passes are more likely to lean Labour.
Says something about where we're at that leaflets are going to start dropping through letterboxes suggesting The Brexit Party will block Brexit.
1. Don't book him in the first place, this isn't his first rodeo being a shithead by FAR, you're booking him to cause controversy not for his nuanced and informed takes
2. DON'T BOOK HIM AGAIN THE NEXT WEEK
Obviously preparing them alongside that ditch.
In some cases. All depends on the rules for what they're being used for.
I hope to god the Tory and Brexit scum eat each others' votes. It's the only way I can see a reasonable outcome to the next election.
It's not surprising they seem resigned to an extension. Said it before but if Boris can't get the DUP to back his proposals then its hard to see how it possibly passes. I'm not convinced they'll be able to get the most hardcore ERG members on board if they can't get the DUP either. The facts seem to be there is nothing that is both acceptable to the EU and to these groups. There are also 9 Independents, expelled Labour or Tory MPs, who voted against May's deal so they can probably be ruled out too. Even with the ERG and retaining all the votes of those no longer whipped to vote for it they'd be needing over a dozen Labour MPs to get it through. If that happens then the Labour party is done at the next election.
Even if we accept that they'll somehow work out a deal... we still very much need them to extend as the last thing we want is some rushed mess that could end up screwing us all even more than we're already getting screwed.
The BBC keeps inviting these fringe right-wing figures on to say whatever the fuck they like. Doesn't matter if the presenter pushed back, the BBC continually gives these freaks a platform and handwaves any accusations of irresponsibility.
Yeah, the more I read up on the talks the more this is a play by the gov to try and get around the Benn act. They trotted JRG to say the HoC could vite in principle on a deal. So just a bunch of nothings from the gov.
It makes precisely zero sense the government of leave are folding like cheap suits when the majority of them can cash in in a no deal brexit and be set up for multiple lifetimes. This is all trying to avoid any extension, and trying to throw the dup under the bus in the hope of doing so at any cost. Much like may tried, and did a better job of doing so, it's going to crash hard.
Barnier has told the eu peeps an Irish sea border must be erected for the deal to pass. The negotiators migh agree to this, but it won't pass damn near anywhere else.
It makes precisely zero sense the government of leave are folding like cheap suits when the majority of them can cash in in a no deal brexit and be set up for multiple lifetimes. This is all trying to avoid any extension, and trying to throw the dup under the bus in the hope of doing so at any cost. Much like may tried, and did a better job of doing so, it's going to crash hard.
Barnier has told the eu peeps an Irish sea border must be erected for the deal to pass. The negotiators migh agree to this, but it won't pass damn near anywhere else.
Moran's extended comments don't particularly explain her weird framing of the issue (except maybe some 4th dimensional flip-flopping), and neither do statistics about what kind of ID voters of X party are more likely to have.
It's still voter suppression on the basis that it becomes harder to vote, especially for marginalised and impoverished people. Don't buy the bullshit from certain Lib Dem/establishment stans in here.
Eh, I'm just not that incensed that people like him appear tbh.
But fair enough, understand the point.
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