If there's a VoNC, the PM would stay in place for 14 calendar days unless and until a new Government is agreed on and a motion of confidence passed. Then the PM would have to instruct the Queen to invite the newly agreed upon leader to form a Government. If those 14 days elapse without a motion of confidence in something being passed, then we have new elections.
If Hunt and Johnson are being honest about wanting the backstop gone, then they're basically making no deal official policy. So we'll see fireworks very soon.
Didn't an amendment recently pass (by one vote) to explicitly prevent proroguing?The thing is - they must see that as likely, unless they think every single Tory that's talked about getting in the way is bluffing (could happen, mind you). This is why the talk of not ruling out proroguing worries me.
IDS on talk radio, saying parliament can mess around all they like, article 50 was voted through. Boris has to accept a delay offer from the EU, so even if he is told to ask for an extension there is no remit to force him to accept said extension, and he won't
Didn't an amendment recently pass (by one vote) to explicitly prevent proroguing?
I don't think this is correct. I believe the EU can unilaterally grant an extension once it's been asked for.
I still think the boris strategy is delay until it's too late and then ignore parliament to hard brexit and hope it goes well.If there's a VoNC, the PM would stay in place for 14 calendar days unless and until a new Government is agreed on and a motion of confidence passed. Then the PM would have to instruct the Queen to invite the newly agreed upon leader to form a Government. If those 14 days elapse without a motion of confidence in something being passed, then we have new elections.
If Hunt and Johnson are being honest about wanting the backstop gone, then they're basically making no deal official policy. So we'll see fireworks very soon.
I still think the boris strategy is delay until it's too late and then ignore parliament to hard brexit and hope it goes well.
Can the queen not actually do something for once in her life and refuse a request to close parliament?
I feel like remainers dance on so many parties (legal action, parliament not being fucked, hoping boris caves, new referendum, whatever labour is doing) in the end it will amount to nothing.
So what if a court blocks suspending parliament? What will keep him from ignoring parliament anyway?
I don't think BJ is that suicidal and surely a bill can be worded to avoid it being "ignored"I feel like remainers dance on so many parties (legal action, parliament not being fucked, hoping boris caves, new referendum, whatever labour is doing) in the end it will amount to nothing.
So what if a court blocks suspending parliament? What will keep him from ignoring parliament anyway?
"I stood on a manifesto that said I would deliver the outcome of the referendum," she said. "I would obviously prefer to leave with a deal, but if it comes down to no Brexit or no-deal then I would go with no-deal because the consequences mean that Labour will not be in government in the future and we will lose seats. For me that is a far worse scenario than any Brexit outcome would be."
Labour recognises that leaving the EU with "no deal" is the worst possible deal for Britain and that it would do damage to our economy and trade. We will reject "no deal" as a viable option and if needs be negotiate transitional arrangements to avoid a "cliff-edge" for the UK economy.
I will always remember an industry event, many moons ago, that brought me to London. The company in question arranged a huge shuttle (a full bus, really) with a Spanish speaking guide to entertain us, since our hotel was far away from the airport and we basically had to cross much of London to reach our destination. This was barely at the tail end of the crisis or so, mind you, so back when Spain was still reeling.
As we passed though some government building I can't recall, the guide would mention that, unlike some other countries (WINK WINK) the UK had a reputation for being straight and avoid corruption scandals, with politicians being absolute professionals at their job, no part timers or amateurs allowed. That was one of the things that managed to turn London into the powerful, modern, all reaching metropolis that it was and an excellent reason for being proud of her nationality, she said. Half of the bus sunk their heads in shame and wished to die, myself included. I don't think I can describe the absolute agony of some of the journos there. And to be honest, I don't think she was trying to be hurtful at all. She really felt that way.
About two years later Cameron moved on with the referendum.
Now the UK is trying to make the Italian government look thorough, clinical and germane, from the executive to the opposition.
It's insane how quickly the political situation of a country can degenerate from stoic to years-long constitutional crisis. Also, how people can ignore structural weaknesses and political decay during good times.
The guide was telling the story Britain likes to tell itself, and, sure, there has been a general flow of talent and relative lack of corruption that has enabled London to thrive (and thus much of Britain - not to say things are perfect, but I am talking long-term here) for a long, long time - back to the decline of Spain and the rise of England>Britain as its hegemonic replacement, and even then, since WW2 via services.
Of course, like all stories, this ignored the bullshit underside of the same system that built this flow of talent from public school>Oxbridge>Whitehall/City (again, talking generally, and again, this obviously brought myriad problems, and again, this ignores much good stuff that the tour guide's story ignores cos it's not the establishment story, e.g. history of radical reform movements that have had such an effect; ditto bad stuff like, uh, colonialism) and that is spivs, chancers, greedy fucks and complete frauds. They've always been there, but today we have a perfect blend of capitalism-as-rampant, democracy-as-populism and culture war where they can pose as champions. It's all coming out in the worst way: there's a long history of absolute fucking mediocrity burnishing itself with the glories of other people. Those mediocrities are now in charge. Previously they were minor officials sent post-haste to East Africa, or banker bores, or sent off to be shot up in the army, or pensioned as viccars in a rural backwater (I'm speaking in cliches now, but hey, it's a release of resentment).
Also, interestingly, there's a tradition in British thought about amatuerism being preferable to professionalism, for many things - at least culturally preferable, if not economically/politically. But that's subtly different to the mess we have now.
Stupid as fuck. It feels like they only care about having the type of power that they can use to fuck people over at a whim. Being in the EU means they can't unilaterally tell everyone to fuck off out of the water when they want, but being out of it does, even if the situation will continue to be the exact same as before, and they will likely never ever use that power in any situation.
I fucking hate this stupid Brexit project.
hahahahhahaha
fucking hell
Essentially: Amber Rudd and the grassroots want to campaign explicitly for remain
The People's Vote staff and Alesteir Campbell don't and are trying to sabotage the march at the weekend for being too Pro EU
I hadn't even heard there was a march this weekend
I've been saying for a very long time that one of the biggest challenges with Remain is that a great amount of remainers are thoroughbred eurosceptics who simply like the idea of vacationing at Benidorm.Fucking incredible that some of the campaign for a second vote on leaving the EU are somehow against it because its too pro EU. What the fuck does that even mean? Its a binary situation, you're either in or out. People can talk shop all they want about Norway+ and other stupid situations but you still fundamently out of the European Union with those "deals".
Looks like every political party is fucking eating themselves apart in the UK. Tories can't decide on who should swing the wrecking ball through the UK, Labour has their anti-semitism shitstorm and a feckless leader, Lib Dems are sitting on the fence and bleeding their arseholes out with powerless centrism statements, and the SNP recently had a wee doozy over some transphobic party members.