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British people guess how much US healthcare costs

Stinkles

343 Industries
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Oct 25, 2017
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40 bucks to hold your child?
50 bucks for a Tylenol during my back surgery. Btw I didn’t actually receive the Tylenol and since it was a major spinal surgery I’m not sure a Tylenol would actually get the job done...

I’m a uk expat and probably 90% of Americans believe absolutely ludicrous counterintuitive things about foreign healthcare. The most oft repeated one is especially absurd:

in Europe if you break your legs in a car wreck you have to go on a waitlist (FALSE) and if you have to visit your doctor you sometimes can’t see anyone for days (TRUE but also true in the US).

I have one of the best healthcare plans in America but it still costs me a ton of money and yes when I broke some toes earlier this year I had to figure out where to go and what treatments made sense to save money on out of pocket or deductibles.

a couple of years ago I chopped off the top of my finger and when I got to the ER they still made me fill out paperwork before triage even though I was literally pumping blood through towels.

it’s insane. The two biggest issues are the absolutely parasitic insertion of an insurance middleman and the astonishing fact that the government signed legislation to prevent itself from being able to negotiate market rates on medicines and services. Literally passed a law mandating that it get ripped off by greedy companies.

there’s loads of other weird shit like patents getting extended so that something as simple as a tiny tube of acyclovir cold sore ointment costs upwards of twenty bucks - but the same medication costs a couple of bucks for five times as much in Mexico.
On this forum you’ll occasionally find people defending specific aspects of it but they almost always work in those industries.

most people are mad about it but the sheer hysteria on our news when a politician makes even milquetoast suggestions on something as simple as Medicare for all is something to behold. Serious “liberal”news anchors repeating healthcare industry lies as facts.
 

Kyuuji

Member
Nov 8, 2017
8,492
Only reason I know is because I suffer from chronic anxiety (lots of ER visits) and my son has had numerous health issues (ambulances, specialists, hospital stays). Let's just say that I am very poor now.
That's rough, I'm sorry to hear that. It isn't right. As someone that has had a number of ambulance trips thanks to anxiety the past few years, I can't imagine having to worry about finances in each case and how that would spiral more than it already did. It's fallen back this year thankfully, and I hope the same for yourself and that your son's health issues placate as best they can. Genuine well-wishes for 2020.
 

Kasai

Member
Jan 24, 2018
1,546
As an American, it was literally cheaper to spend $1000 on a plane ticket to Italy, €150 for a ferry ticket from Bari to Durres, and then $65 cash for a tooth extraction, x-ray, fillings, and medication in Albania.

My dentist here would've charged about $1500 for all of that
 
Oct 27, 2017
4,945
Canada
I had an Aunt years ago who worked as a nurse in Missouri. The things she told me people were charged for like tissues and bandages and the cost of that alone if you were in the hospital for a week made me sick to my stomach.
 

MoogleWizard

Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,195
I don't understand how this works in practice. E.g. if a woman from a low-income or poverty background goes to the maternity ward to have her baby, does she get a 10.000 $ bill afterwards? How is she supposed to pay that, and what if she can't? Are there hospitals where you can have your baby for free or a smaller fee?
 
Jan 27, 2019
813
Is this something they're actually planning on doing?

Because there should be some South Korea style riots if the UK healthcare system gets sold off to American profiteering corporations.
Corbyn showed some documents the tories have been trying to bury showing trade deal negotiations between the US and the UK. The NHS was a big part of it.
 

Flousn

Member
Jan 16, 2018
1,218
If I would want to find out what percentage of Germans don't like free Healthcare, I wouldn't even know how to Google that.
 

Fourman

Member
Oct 25, 2017
302
Yup, very nearly lost all my savings because of medical costs. I got it sorted and I am very thankful but if I was unable to get the help I would be fucked.
 

P-MAC

Member
Nov 15, 2017
2,165
Is this something they're actually planning on doing?

Because there should be some South Korea style riots if the UK healthcare system gets sold off to American profiteering corporations.
Yup they’ve been selling off the departments “we can do without” for a while now and the documents referred to above suggest an acceleration in this pretty soon
 

Qwark

Member
Oct 27, 2017
3,227
I don't understand how this works in practice. E.g. if a woman from a low-income or poverty background goes to the maternity ward to have her baby, does she get a 10.000 $ bill afterwards? How is she supposed to pay that, and what if she can't? Are there hospitals where you can have your baby for free or a smaller fee?
You're pretty much expected to ask for a smaller bill and they'll accommodate you, it's so stupid. Most people don't end up being charged the full amount, as for what happens if what's left can't be paid, I'm not sure, probably some goes to collections and some is forgiven.
 

Sunster

The Fallen
Oct 5, 2018
3,455
If i weren't moving out of the country in July then my only option would be to declare bankruptcy due to my medical bills. At age 26. American dreammmmmmmmmmmmmm baybay. at least i have the FREEDOM that those poor souls in Britain surely don't. $40,000 in debt in my 20's YASSSS home of the FREE
 

C.Mongler

The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
1,697
Washington, DC
How are you guys not rioting over this?
Primarily because half the country thinks the way healthcare works currently is fine or even good.

Then the other hold-up is your healthcare 90% of the time is tied to your job, so if you go off on a rioting adventure and miss a shift or two of work because you got arrested, you lose your job and consequently your insurance. Not to mention that if you get injured by a cop while rioting, that's gonna be expensive to get patched up.

Basically capitalism has made people complacent.
 

Zombegoast

Member
Oct 30, 2017
5,002
A trip to an ER is $2531 and the total service is $3390 for 8 stitches on my right pinky finger

$1191 for a 10 second doctor to tell me not to get my finger wet.

It's cheaper to not have ACA to pay my bill.

I keep sayings this. It's about profiting people who're suffering. There shouldn't be a market for this.
 

collige

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Oct 31, 2017
5,588
I had an ER visit earlier this year and I kept waiting for a big ass bill to show up. Thankfully, my job has really good insurance, but it really shouldn't depend on that.
I don't understand how this works in practice. E.g. if a woman from a low-income or poverty background goes to the maternity ward to have her baby, does she get a 10.000 $ bill afterwards? How is she supposed to pay that, and what if she can't? Are there hospitals where you can have your baby for free or a smaller fee?
A woman in that position would presumably be on Medicaid, which would act like a normal insurance company and take on the bill.
 

Wrestleman

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Oct 25, 2017
1,929
Worth mentioning most people who work pay a National insurance tax in their wages, it is just it goes into general taxation, so yes it is free at the point of care, but we technically pay for it
I mean, yeah? No one thinks it's free doctors and medical supplies pulled from the aether. The amount paid in taxes in the NHS are absolutely incomparable to the heinous prices and debts in the American health system. Even as an American, when I lived in Massachusetts, the big increase in taxes felt like a fucking steal for the social and healthcare benefits I got. While I lived there, I had a panic attack and got hospitalized. I would have owed thousands and thousands for a fucking panic attack if that same thing happened in Virginia where I live now.

Primarily because half the country thinks the way healthcare works currently is fine or even good.
wHaT if I LIkE mY CuRRenT InsURanCe

I had an ER visit earlier this year and I kept waiting for a big ass bill to show up. Thankfully, my job has really good insurance, but it really shouldn't depend on that.

A woman in that position would presumably be on Medicaid, which would act like a normal insurance company and take on the bill.
Depends on the state, too though... some of the states I've lived in have STUPID strict requirements for what makes you impoverished as a single person living alone.
 

empyrean2k

Member
Oct 27, 2017
328
Do Americans have generic Tylenol? Their prices for that stuff are outrageous whenever I’ve had to get some on holiday. In the U.K. I can get like a pack of 36 or so for 50cents.
 

Kmonk

Member
Oct 30, 2017
1,578
US
What if you're shot in the street and someone else calls? Do they take you to hospital and then thrust the bill in your face as soon as you're stable?

That's pretty gross if so.

Yes, this is a common occurrence. It's pretty easy to find stories of people being chased out of a hospital with a massive bill when they're still recovering.
 

Orb

Member
Oct 27, 2017
6,831
USA
How are you guys not rioting over this?
Most of us have never known anything different

But yeah it's terrible and honestly it feels like there's very little that we can do about it as regular citizens

My dad had a heart attack and needed open heart surgery and if we didn't have insurance the cost would have been over $100,000.
 

Apharmd

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,470
What the f??

The victim must PAY ambulance calls?

childbirth cant cost, right?

is this a joke?

neither of these cost anything in scandinavia... in fact no doctor call cost more than 20$ regardless if it is an operation or a meeting..
My 13 year old son was born prematurely. The bill was over $200,000. 13 years ago. Things are worse now.


How are you guys not rioting over this?
There are a lot of US posters on this supposedly left-wing forum who defend this monstrous system. I don't understand it. It's actually an indictment of how shit Americans are at caring about anyone but the well-off.
 

Coyote Starrk

The Fallen
Oct 30, 2017
20,218
DFW, Texas
What if you're shot in the street and someone else calls? Do they take you to hospital and then thrust the bill in your face as soon as you're stable?

That's pretty gross if so.
Yes that is exactly what happens. When I was in high school I got into a bad car wreck and was loaded into an ambulance before I could really understand what was going on.

When my dad got to the hospital he had to fill out the insurance and billing information before he was allowed to see me.
 

Fulminator

Member
Oct 25, 2017
8,949
How can you even charge money for basic neonatal baby care. Like at what point are you a doctor and go, you want this baby to bond with its mother, tsk, sign here first.

I guess a doctor that thinks 2500 for an ambulance ride makes sense too.
Doctors arent really the ones who decide this kind of stuff, afaik it’s the hospital board members and admiinistrators that run hospitals like businesses
 

Red Liquorice

Member
Oct 27, 2017
3,665
UK
That inhaler cost. O_O

Tories should get wiped out for this but give people the argument, NHS or Brexit, watch the UK burn. How thick and hateful can you be. The NHS is reason alone for voting remain in another EU referendum but people can't see past their hate. Bloody boiling, how much does it cost to cure that.
Spot on. This election is infuriating.
 

djplaeskool

Member
Oct 26, 2017
6,892
Recently fucked my ankle in a way that impressed the Doctor.
Clean broke through the joint itself, bones broken around it and 2 sets of ligaments torn.
  • A&E Visit
  • 4 X-Rays
  • 1 MRI
  • 1 General anaesthetic keyhole surgery
  • Full foot surgery with 2 screws put in
  • 2x nights in hospital
  • Crutches
  • Support/Compression Boot
  • Numerous Doctors visits
  • 40 doses of Clexane
  • Upcoming surgery to take screws out
  • Ongoing physiotherapy
£0

No idea how much that would have been in the US but I am ever thankful for the NHS.
Damn.
Have a friend who screwed up his knee and needed arthroscopic surgery to get ACL reconstruction.
He was working some contract gig and had no comprehensive coverage during an accident, and he got hit with a $17,000 bill (procedure only, not including any medication or therapy).
He's been yoked to the decision to go into bankruptcy for nearly a decade.

Did a google image search of "childbirth cost USA" this was one of the results



Insanity
Heaven forbid there's a major problem and you need to be admitted for an extended period of time.
My grandfather was admitted to an ICU ward for about 12 days before he succumbed to organ failure and passed on.
The bill for his end of life care was damn near $200,000. Mercifully, being a long-tenured military veteran afforded him good coverage, but the sticker shock is still there.
 
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Ripcord

Member
Oct 30, 2017
607
A trip to an ER is $2531 and the total service is $3390 for 8 stitches on my right pinky finger

$1191 for a 10 second doctor to tell me not to get my finger wet.

It's cheaper to not have ACA to pay my bill.

I keep sayings this. It's about profiting people who're suffering. There shouldn't be a market for this.
I saw an elderly woman trip and fall on some stairs (about 6, to a tiled floor) at a Burger King food court few years back. We called the ambulance immediately and the woman literally spent her last minutes on Earth moaning in pain, and begging us not to call an ambulance because she couldn't afford it. It got there about 10 minutes after she stopped breathing anyway and I knew deep down they were likely going to bill her survivors one way or another. I felt guilty for thinking that while they carted her off.

Primarily because half the country thinks the way healthcare works currently is fine or even good.

Then the other hold-up is your healthcare 90% of the time is tied to your job, so if you go off on a rioting adventure and miss a shift or two of work because you got arrested, you lose your job and consequently your insurance. Not to mention that if you get injured by a cop while rioting, that's gonna be expensive to get patched up.

Basically capitalism has made people complacent.
Yes, but we're not complacent. We're captive.