And when people come in here and say "he's got a good point though!" and especially when they agree with his bullshit about trans people, that's when I get mad. Not at all surprised, but mad. Because it IS wrong.
Btw, those 2 Chappelle Netflix specials are up
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Again I'm not a child I get it he likes to say a gendered insult a lot.
I think you're taking this joke way too literally. His joke is outlandish, he's comparing an actresses' dream to MLK. It's just a joke playing on the famous "I have a dream." Literally anything by a comedian can be twisted into something hateful, ignorant and offensive if you take it that way.
Also, this:
Is a correct observation (i.e. spelling out the joke). Dave is not making a statement saying "Ohhh it's just mild sexual abuse get over it bitch" he's actually making a well-written joke about the recent revelations.
You've made a new fan of Jim. Dude is legit funny. Been watching clips on youtube and noticed he has specials on Netflix too. Can't wait.
They are agreeing at his comments on outrage culture and fighting back against societies sins like men abusing women and laughing at his jokes .
Just so it's clear I wasn't calling you a child.
Freedumb appears to be on Netflix, so any who subbed for Dave should be able to see it. From the transcript, it appears Trump is going to take a bit of a beating! I kind of thought that from the "Freedumb" naming lol
I'm talking about people who specifically agreed with him saying the women have brittle spirits and comparing them to MLK
He is using offensive words as a joke and mixing with commentary that women should always fight back against such evil men and his point that good men are the grEatest ally all women will have when these evil men stop being afraid and start reacting against women again
His subtext and subtlety is great and needs to be studied
Yeah you know I've heard that before and it honestly sounds like a threat or blackmail.
" just remember women us good men are all you'll have!"
Not saying that's what Dave is saying, but the way you say it sounds a little sketchy to me.
If you actually saw the 2nd one which I assume you did in no way can anyone conceive that as a threat but as a stretched hand
Is this satire because you just proved his point.
No, Sandler did not repeatedly put his hand in her leg and no, Foy did not indicate that "she did not want it there". And the blanket statement that "Men are too handsy" is funny when Foy did the exact same thing to Matt Smith in the same context in the same show.
And Chappelle absolutely did not say that every victim of such behaviour is "a weakling".
Jesus, talk about misrepresenting things...
It's hard to explain jokes to people who don't get them and try to take anything literally.
This works both ways. Some people might think Dave is serious about certain things he obviously is not serious about because they cannot separate the joke from commentary.
And some others might consider everything he says offensive because they don't understand why people would use such offensive words in jokes to begin with.
Also any comedian after being told that something is offensive would double down on it and make it even worse.
The dumbest thing you could do is to write Dave a letter about how it offends you, because then your letter becomes the next joke or punchline.
In reality though there probably never was a letter and he just responded to social media outrage about what he said in general.
This works both ways. Some people might think Dave is serious about certain things he obviously is not serious about because they cannot separate the joke from commentary.
And some others might consider everything he says offensive because they don't understand why people would use such offensive words in jokes to begin with.
Also any comedian after being told that something is offensive would double down on it and make it even worse.
The dumbest thing you could do is to write Dave a letter about how it offends you, because then your letter becomes the next joke or punchline.
In reality though there probably never was a letter and he just responded to social media outrage about what he said in general.
It's clear to me that lots of people here don't give a shit about cis- and transwomen.
Scott Adams is a nazi apologist and a Trump supporter, so not sure why you would want to align with his views
Scott Adams is a nazi apologist and a Trump supporter, so not sure why you would want to align with his views
Basically, as long as I get my yucks, then any marginalized group can fuck off is the opinions of many in this thread.
Mmhmm, whatever you need to tell yourself.
Comedy isn't sacred. Comedy isn't above criticism.
Just watched the first one, Equanimity. Lot of great laugh moments but holy shit that last 5 mins was just insane, my wife doesn't like Chappelle and was wandering in and out of the room while it was playing but she started crying and then I bawled like a bitch ass too as he unwrapped the story, could have heard another 10 mins of that even though I know the Till story.
Chappelle really is the GOAT, he just jumps from pure potty mouth humor to deep philosophical musings in a heartbeat and you don't even feel the transition.
Chappelle really is the GOAT, he just jumps from pure potty mouth humor to deep philosophical musings in a heartbeat and you don't even feel the transition.
But.. his routiunes contain commentary. When one of your punchlines is "Why do I have to switch up my pronoun game for this motherfucker?" that's social commentary moreso than a joke really. What he said previously might have been part of a joke (with the butt of the joke being the cliche trans person with a beard), but when you finish it up like that, how is that not blurring the line between pure comedy and commentary?
Comedians include commentary in their routines all the time; Dave even backed up that aspect of his routine in interviews.
edit: And yeah, as said below this post.. that entire "joke" was barely a joke.. it was basically "laugh because I saw a trans woman and refuse to call them anything but 'he'."
seems like people are still on the "it's a comedy show so it's alright" and don't get that the most offensive parts of his specials weren't jokes, but a story, with no set up, no punchline, nothing joke-y about it which will make you laugh if it tickles your transphobia.
How I felt. His last specials were pretty good, but by the end of these two, I felt like he had really elevated his comedic skill.
26 pages...wow.
Dave Chappelle already suggested how to handle these kinds of things...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mo-ddYhXAZc
Dave Chappelle already suggested how to handle these kinds of things...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mo-ddYhXAZc
He makes fun of everyone. Including himself. If it's not your brand of comedy that's alright, but he's not making these jokes specifically to delight bigots. He specifically says if you're a piece of shit don't associate yourself with my comedy
we've gone down this road many many times, here and in two other chappelle related threads that were locked, people have explained time and time why this is different and "he makes fun of everyone and even himself" doesn't explain the bigotry of the trans jokes, but no one who holds that position of "he makes fun of everyone" seems to back down.
it's exhausting and i'm not gonna try and explain it again
Please explain how the trans jokes are bigoted. Colorful? Sure. Offensive? I can see that. But bigoted? Wouldn't that be stretching things? When I think of bigoted trans remarks, I think of a dude saying he will kill us gladly on air while people laugh in the background. That's what I think of when defining bigots, but I understand this is a personal thing and it comes down to the individual. We can and should respect that. But can you explain why you feel it is bigoted?
The ones in the new special I wouldn't call bigoted, but definitively the ones in the previous. Like about how we should allow trans people on the front lines because if the enemy sees a man with huge fake fits running at him, he'll be scared as shit, or about how the person he saw was "definitely a man in a dress". Just the bigoted language.
i'm talking about the man in a dress bit in the previous special, i would consider that bigotry. not really feeling like explaining something that should be obvious
I completely agree with you. But we are not talking about the last specials, are we?
Why does Mazi think the latest specials are bigoted?
Ah. The last special. From a year ago. Not this one. Do you know which special Amory was talking about then? Why are you arguing for the bigotry of the last specials in a thread for the new specials which people don't find bigoted? Yet expect people to go along with it and assume you're talking about the latest specials? Is making a point against his old specials being bigoted, while most of us are talking about his new specials, truly something that can be said to be made in good faith? I don't. At best, it's being intellectually dishonest because we are arguing two different things and you know we're arguing two things.
i shouldn't have jumped in without reading the last few pages as i had stopped participating in this thread since this morning. you're right, my bad
i didn't have any bad intentions tho
I get what you're saying here but I really don't think mazi was arguing in bad faith or trying to paint a broad stroke about which jokes are bigoted and which jokes or not. I think they were just making the general statement in that post "Dave Chappelle makes bigoted trans jokes" which is true.
Eh, I'm pretty sure trans-continental people know the most about being discriminated against.
Nope. When a comedian makes fun of EVERYONE (literally everyone) equally (and yes, it's equal, in fact his biggest target is *gasp* white people) then it's just COMEDY.
This is comedy.
He's right about thin-skinned people now. Holy shit.
The first special was mostly fine. So far I fucking hate this second one. Anything can be funny, but your jokes reveal your point of view, and Chappelle's point of view reveals he doesn't know or care what it's like to be on the victim side of a sexually oppressive culture. He doesn't respect their trauma because he hasn't experienced it.
Not every woman who wants to be in comedy should have to be Martin Luther fucking King, Jr.
Not every woman who wants to be in comedy should have to be Martin Luther fucking King, Jr.
That title goes to Paul Mooney. But Paul is too real, raw and honest for most people.
Honest question: How did you interpret the transgender content of the first special such that it didn't bother you like the female comedian content of the second one did?
If you have a problem with specific posts, report them or challenge them. But please avoid making generalization one-liners about the community like that.
Knock off the personal jabs like that. You're not helping making this thread less toxic.
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