So it must be easy to point it out and not rely on someone editorializing.
It has to do with a society that shits on people for speaking out, especially young people, and especially women. There's no way that doesn't color a lot of people's perception when they want to frame it a certain way.
Also, damn you have a lot of insults ready for this girl. Like, a lot.
Do you have a link that she did? Because if she did that school district needs to be investigated. Is hard for me to believe that none of the students didn't say anything to their parents about a drunk teacher getting arrested in front of them. Especially during this Snapchat era were kids would film any drama at school.Do you have a link that shows she didn't voice her concerns earlier?
The world would stop functioning if every complaint by every person was aired in the most public and dramatic way the person can possibly achieve.
And she was probably driven to this because she tried to raise concerns that were ignored.Is not what you know is what you can prove. Kids will cheer at anything. Because if she really gave a shit she would have voice her concerns to the district a long time ago. If not by her, her parents. I refuse to believe a teacher gets arrested in front of students and said teacher kept their job.
Do you have a link that she did? Because if she did that school district needs to be investigated. Is hard for me to believe that none of the students didn't say anything to their parents about a drunk teacher getting arrested in front of them. Especially during this Snapchat era were kids would film any drama at school.
God, what a meaningless post.If the world now fits your definition of functioning, I'm sure we would be fine.
Lol. Come on.Do you have a link that shows she didn't voice her concerns earlier?
No need to put "insults" in quotes, those were pretty cutting critiques aimed at her character.Of course I have a lot of "insults" ( or rather, valid criticisms of specific behavior) ready. I've been practicing criticizing conceited inappropriate public speeches a lot these last 2/3 years.
I mean, plenty of kids at 2:11 look pretty uncomfortable, the way they keep putting their hands to the face, but I already know you're going to claim you don't see anybody being uncomfortable at that part so why bother.
The problem with this speech is that everyone knows what school you are going to. There is now a 100% probability that some bitter counselor or administrator will call it to the university's attention in hopes that they rescind their offer of admission. If that happens then you are basically screwed because it's too late to apply anywhere else and deadlines for signing up to other schools have passed.Ah, if she's Valedictorian, she has almost certainly been accepted somewhere and have stuff like classes and possibly dorm room scheduled/assigned. She should be fine, hopefully.
That isn't even remotely what I said. Keep being disingenuous tho.As opposed to "OMG the world would end if everyone started to publicly complain about gross systemic incompetence"
Lol. Come on.
This girl would very obviously have brought it up if she had.
That isn't even remotely what I said. Keep being disingenuous tho.
Hey, but dumb kids, right? What do they know?
You really are a piece of work.
I don't think that will happen, which is of course a good thing. The only element that could present a problem is the whole misrepresenting the content of her speech thing.The problem with this speech is that everyone knows what school you are going to. There is now a 100% probability that some bitter counselor or administrator will call it to the university's attention in hopes that they rescind their offer of admission. If that happens then you are basically screwed because it's too late to apply anywhere else and deadlines for signing up to other schools have passed.
Yes, that could be a possibility but I don't buy it. Because that means every single parent in that room failed their children in allowing a drunk teacher be around their kids.And she was probably driven to this because she tried to raise concerns that were ignored.
That makes more sense than sue just felt like causing this much fuss for nothing.
I don't think that will happen, which is of course a good thing. The only element that could present a problem is the whole misrepresenting the content of her speech thing.
She doesn't deserve any academic action taken against her. She did what she thought was right.
Yes, that could be a possibility but I don't buy it. Because that means every single parent in that room failed their children in allowing a drunk teacher be around their kids.
You really are a piece of work.
My point was that there is a correct venue to air complaints, and this wasn't it. Not everyone needs to go nuclear.
Keep being toxic and gross.
You were the one going off about "bad faith" arguing earlier, right? So what exactly was the point of demanding timestamps and proof about people being uncomfortable, if nothing someone could provide, be the direct quote from the article or literal timestamp, would sway your already made up mind?
Cool it with calling people idiots.
I buy it because it's far more likely this young women uses a platform to stand up in front of everyone who knows the truth and speak about it.
Chances she stood up like this and lied when people could just prove her wrong easily are so much lower.
A Lot of institutions do not really care. But like you said, it depends on institutions, which goes back to not caring because some will get resources/money allocated to them from state or other funds for the programs for the valedictorian. State schools will already bring them in regardless, it's a free ride for most. But yea will depend, but i feel they will definitely be able to secure a spot in most of their choices.Probably true for the most part, but I feel like higher institutions, such as what a valedictorian might be applying to, are probably more concerned with 'proper etiquette' than your average mid-tier school. I dunno, I never went to an ivy league, but a lot of them can afford to be overly zealous about proper procedure. I doubt most schools would want a graduate that might create their soap box during important moments. Always depends on the institution of course.
Again, as an advisor, that's not necessarily the case.The things that affected her, if true, would have affected the other kids.
She was speaking for everyone.
I didn't call anyone an idiot, but the statement was certainly idiotic.
I envy you in that you obviously haven't met many of the crazies that make up America. I want to remind you that 40% of the population thinks that Trump is a model president.
A Lot of institutions do not really care. But like you said, it depends on institutions, which goes back to not caring because some will get resources/money allocated to them from state or other funds for the programs for the valedictorian. State schools will already bring them in regardless, it's a free ride for most. But yea will depend, but i feel they will definitely be able to secure a spot in most of their choices.
Again, as an advisor, that's not necessarily the case.
We regularly give more attention to underprivileged and underperforming students than the valedictorian.
I remember the parents of an extremely high-performing and wealthy student freaking out because a scholarship that was awarding a free laptop went to a student from a poor family with a slightly lower GPA (the girl had also recently lost her home in a fire).
When I heard this rant, that's the sort of student I'm reminded of. The privileged and entitled ones who always demand more attention, not the underprivileged kids that actually deserve that attention.
K I'm going to stop talking to you now, because you're not internalizing anything anyone is saying.
When I heard this rant, that's the sort of student I'm reminded of. The privileged and entitled ones who always demand more attention, not the underprivileged kids that actually deserve that attention.
yikes.
We've gone from accusing her of being a brat and a liar, to this.
"You were always unavailable to my parents and I."
Valedictorian eh?
Instead of concentrating on the fact that she's a callous dumbass who attacks people with diseases, I pointed out the irony of her being the valedictorian. Both are examples of her not being all that bright.
So go after the school administrators, not the person with the disease. That's something someone with little to no empathy or intelligence does.
Thus why I'm not going to celebrate when they act like idiots.
Your ceaseless attempts to zero in on her intelligence are frankly disturbing. Unless you operate in a STEM or academic field, she's likely smarter at this moment than you or anyone else in here, as the knowledge she's gained hasn't begun to burn away post-high school yet. I would imagine this would extend to a good chunk of the class you and others have been making ageist digs at too.But asking a child to act like an adult is asking too much so yeah she handled this stupidly, but hopefully she'll learn from it.
Why wasn't this it? Why is publicly challenging complete systemic incompetence in this venue wrong?
She should have submitted the proper forms in triplicate to the school administration and waited 3-4 weeks for a notarized response, that is the responsible thing to do after all. Everyone knows change always comes from only going through the proper channels, just look at another system with no systemic inadequecies like the police.What a disgusting thread.
Good on her for calling out those that failed her during her time there, fuck all this "not the right time and place" bs.
It's really gross, crazy that's an okay thing to do.Your ceaseless attempts to zero in on her intelligence are frankly disturbing. Unless you operate in a STEM or academic field, she's likely smarter at this moment than you or anyone else in here. I would imagine this would extend to a good chunk of the class you and others have been making ageist digs at too.
Strawman much?She should have submitted the proper forms in triplicate to the school administration and waited 3-4 weeks for a notarized response, that is the responsible thing to do after all. Everyone knows change always comes from only going through the proper channels.
Clearly.she's likely smarter at this moment than you or anyone else in here
I think it's a perfect reason not to use them if you know a surefire alternative to get your message heard.Strawman much?
Also, just because the proper channels don't always work is not a reason to never use them.
If she gave the school any heads up about her speech, it would have been denied and they would have been ready to cut off the mic if she followed through. Staff was completely caught off guard so they didn't have time to react. I applaud her bravery, and am confident she's going to be very successful in life. We need more boss women like her.
I think it's a perfect reason not to use them if you know a surefire way to get your message heard.
Because she had YEARS to bring it up in venues that would have allowed for investigations to be conducted and the truth to be determined.
EVERY school has procedures in place for this type of thing. Complaints, both true and false, are extremely common in schools from parents, teachers, and students... in good schools and bad schools. I work in a small school of only 700-800 students and I know of at least a dozen or so accusations a year that go through the process.
Instead she was a bully who decided to use her platform to publicly crucify people who have no ability to defend themselves against the accusations.
Who knows, maybe she went through the correct channels and was ignored, but I doubt it considering the content of her speech. If she was ignored then her speech is justified.
(Now to wait for your shallow knee jerk response.)
She was not an employee of the school.When a person at my work is job to me I should immediately record it and post it online rather than asking my supervisor to counsel the person on what type of conduct is expected at work.
Just for the sake of argument, what if this girl used her speech to start talking about a teacher who had an abortion and that the immorality of it ruined her school experience, and that her inability to pray in school at the start of each class caused her undue suffering? Would we be applauding her bravery of speaking out in this venue?
How are you sure her goal was personal attention? Are you going to just say because she used personal anecdotes on stage? Is it not at least equally as likely she did that as examples of the dysfunction she was addressing?Yes, it is indeed the best path if your goal is personal attention.
When a person at my work is job to me I should immediately record it and post it online rather than asking my supervisor to counsel the person on what type of conduct is expected at work.