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Can We Just Admit that Joe Rogan is Alt-Right Already?
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Why do you think that?
Purity tests are a very real problem with the left right now. It was a major reason they lost the election and it's causing problems going forward. It would be foolish to ignore it.
Yeah I had to skip that episode half way through after he had Sam Harris on to talk about home invasion movies? Since when was Harris a film critic?
Also I'm never not going to laugh at people defending Peterson. The guy couldn't be more inane and vacuous.
It's astounding, coming from other places like work, other forums, a bar, socializing with friends, any other spots on the internet. Seeing ideas like this one be proposed, and then seeing the massive swath of support to the point where the people who don't agree are "sketchy AF". I don't mind at all though, because it's a glimpse into the far left. Where progressive ideas are sometimes born; some good, some bad.
Richard Spencer is a Nazi. Literally. He allies himself with the side of white supremacy. "Alt-righters" don't actually have factual, rational beliefs, but rather a vapid dedication to /pol/ talking points and anything that will make the lives of those who are not while and male miserable. Accelerationism and Nationalism.
Joe Rogan hit all the bare minimum requirements to be called a nazi/white supremacist years ago, and as we all know that's not something that you can ever change about yourself. The only option is to deny him listens and hope he goes away.
I dont know what to do if that doesnt work
I dont know what to do if that doesnt work
This is an absurd opinion to have. What sliver of evidence has there been that he is a white supremacist/actual nazi? Do you know what these words mean?
The dude has friends of literally all nationalities, races, sexualities -- everything. He's never advocated for hatred or hinted at the supremacy of his race.
I shouldn't have to defend him, but it's using these terms in this way that softens their meaning.
Providing a platform to nazis/white supremacists, after a long enough time, makes one a white supremacist/nazi supporter. There is no difference between that and being a nazi/white supremacist, therefore Joe Rogan is one.
It also follows that those who continue to give Rogan the time of day after still knowing all this are at the very least sympathetic in a way they shouldnt be, as well.
So you're saying that all of Rogan's millions of listeners are Nazi sympathizers. What the fuck am I reading.
Thank You! It's like people haven't actually listened to his podcast just going by twitter comments. His podcast with Dave Rubin is also another good one to see him not just rolling over but actually calling things out
This place is the most center left, lib forum imaginable. Just because that's the farthest left you see in mainstream America doesn't mean it's actually far left.
So you are saying a guy that constantly calls for open borders is a white supremacists?
At least I know as a white guy I will have defenders to the last breath no matter who I hang out with or give a platform to.
Good looking out bros. Poor that 40 out for me on both sides of the curb.
Good looking out bros. Poor that 40 out for me on both sides of the curb.
Really though
I love how their point is "everyone you disagree with isn't a Nazi", yet they turn around and act like this forum is so far left
They don't even respect their own ideas
This is pretty disturbing. The notion that not only is someone as moderate and politically and ideologically open as Rogan is is a white supremacist, but that he's a lost cause and needs to be shunned from society is baffling. He's a talk-show host that is open to having guests from varying political spectrums on his show. Does this give a platform to ideas you don't like? Yes, I guess so. Should Rogan hold them more accountable? Maybe. Honestly, I'd much rather have the broad opinions of the alt-right well aired so they can be dismantled and criticized, if not by Rogan, then by another commentator who picks up on it. Better than just shoving our heads into the sand and patting each other on the backs.
He's trying to engage with all corners of the country not because he wants an ethno-state, it's because he thinks engaging with people is the best way to understand them and their views, and if they are as broken and ill-informed as you imply then they can be challenged, addressed and studied. Maybe he's naive and ignorant. He's not close to a white supremacist.
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I suppose Bill Maher is also a Nazi for having both Milo and Shapiro on his show.
This seems a bit extremist, don't you think?
I don't know, if you are hanging out, with Jared Taylor. I would say, you are very close to being one.
The topic's about someone calling Joe alt-right because he hangs out with far right activists, signal boosts them, and doesn't do the same with the far left.
Now it's about people being fucking upset because someone (literally one poster) had the gall to call him a Nazi for hanging with Nazis. Let's not go into semantics about this, one person suggesting another person's a Nazi doesn't suddenly weaken what it means. There's good to have a discussion about if hanging out with/signal boosting a group makes your just as responsible or a part of that group. What's the sense of people derailing a topic because their upset about one person calling a podcast host they like listening to a Nazi, let alone labelling the entire site far left because of it. Just logically this place is going to lean further right than the old place due to banned folks being free to sign up here and I think that's pretty well represented across the site.
I think there's a history of whitewashing out the militaristic aspects of "Peaceful protests" MLK's painted as the leader of the civil rights act in the US, much like Ghandi's painted as the soul cause of India's independence in the UK. Whilst not dismissing what they achieved it's important to note that there was a much bigger military force that wielded a distinct amount of power behind these men, even if they were not associates of their groups directly. History tells us peaceful protest will be enough to overcome oppression but that's only because history's taught by people who benefit from the idea that peaceful protest is the best way.
I only say that because I believe the only way to combat fascism is with violence and not teaching once a mass of people are indoctrinated. Yes, they'll be people who can be converted back without but that never seems to be the majority. Thus giving the leaders a chance to talk to the masses only ever carries the risk of more people adopting their dogma.
The best option's to never give people the chance to hear from the other side and never legitimise them by putting them on an equal podium with other intellectuals.
Now it's about people being fucking upset because someone (literally one poster) had the gall to call him a Nazi for hanging with Nazis. Let's not go into semantics about this, one person suggesting another person's a Nazi doesn't suddenly weaken what it means. There's good to have a discussion about if hanging out with/signal boosting a group makes your just as responsible or a part of that group. What's the sense of people derailing a topic because their upset about one person calling a podcast host they like listening to a Nazi, let alone labelling the entire site far left because of it. Just logically this place is going to lean further right than the old place due to banned folks being free to sign up here and I think that's pretty well represented across the site.
I think there's a history of whitewashing out the militaristic aspects of "Peaceful protests" MLK's painted as the leader of the civil rights act in the US, much like Ghandi's painted as the soul cause of India's independence in the UK. Whilst not dismissing what they achieved it's important to note that there was a much bigger military force that wielded a distinct amount of power behind these men, even if they were not associates of their groups directly. History tells us peaceful protest will be enough to overcome oppression but that's only because history's taught by people who benefit from the idea that peaceful protest is the best way.
I only say that because I believe the only way to combat fascism is with violence and not teaching once a mass of people are indoctrinated. Yes, they'll be people who can be converted back without but that never seems to be the majority. Thus giving the leaders a chance to talk to the masses only ever carries the risk of more people adopting their dogma.
The best option's to never give people the chance to hear from the other side and never legitimise them by putting them on an equal podium with other intellectuals.
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I feel myself drifting further and further from the echo chamber of this forum.
I know next to nothing about Jordan Peterson. Nothing. All I know Is that hes a bad guy around these parts, thats it. I see a thread every now and then that I assume the titel means hes a moron.
I just listened to his interview with Rogan from yesterday. Im about 1 hour into it while im getting work done. All Im hearing is him pushing people to better themselves and exercise and all good things with it. Unless I'm missing something, Im fucking lost.
This thread is fucking stupid, all it takes is one person to say Rogan is an alt right nazi and look at all the people parroting it.
I know next to nothing about Jordan Peterson. Nothing. All I know Is that hes a bad guy around these parts, thats it. I see a thread every now and then that I assume the titel means hes a moron.
I just listened to his interview with Rogan from yesterday. Im about 1 hour into it while im getting work done. All Im hearing is him pushing people to better themselves and exercise and all good things with it. Unless I'm missing something, Im fucking lost.
This thread is fucking stupid, all it takes is one person to say Rogan is an alt right nazi and look at all the people parroting it.
Maher is a huge tool and a bigot, but maybe not a Nazi. Either way, he isn't intelligent in any capacity and willingly invited Nazis onto his program, so take that as you will.
For real, the centrism often displayed on ERA is a sad example of people being afraid of taking a real stance or opinion.
Dang he didn't mention his idea for men being entitled to brides on his interview on a show people actually watch? Imagine my shock
Gladwell is one of the first 'big names' to boost Peterson's name. He's a nice enough guy but he has an extreme blind spot when it comes to both Harris and JBP.
At which part does that line of thinking not track with you?
1. Rogan consistently supports white supremacists. This is a fact. He gives them a platform, attention, and all the financial gain that brings.
2. Due to his consistent support of said white supremacists, and his own knowledge of the bile they spout, he himself is a sympathizer and a white supremacist himself. Ignorance or apathy towards the harm being done by his alt right guests is something he's aware of. How does advancing his agenda despite that make him anything other than a white supremacist? He's benefitting.
3. The millions of listeners who continue to support financially this type of person are complicit. That millions of people are either dumb or racist is not a revelation; we have the current President.
And there is the problem.
These people initially appear (or try to at least) as harmless, deep and profound thinkers that keep it simple but the more you look into them and listen to the counter points against them you realise they are full of shit and just peddle fluff or worse harmful ideas that can potentially influence others.
I suggest watching a few videos of people countering petersons ideas like majority report and loads of others and you will start to understand why peterson et al either aren't as smart as they think they are and/or they are disingenuous in their arguments and ideals.
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If Maher continued a dialogue with them both and kept inviting white supremacists on, who wouldn't think that?
So then how could the dude I'm replying to think he's a totally normal and cool guy?
I feel there needs to be a concrete definition of what "Alt-Right" is.
To me they are a subset of people who are just openly racist, do not care for others but themselves, and mean to do harm to members of other groups.
I don't doubt that anyone in that picture is "right leaning", but Alt-Right feels like it is a word that has lost all meaning because of how frequently it is thrown around
To me they are a subset of people who are just openly racist, do not care for others but themselves, and mean to do harm to members of other groups.
I don't doubt that anyone in that picture is "right leaning", but Alt-Right feels like it is a word that has lost all meaning because of how frequently it is thrown around
I dont think hes a deep and profound thinker. I like Rogans format and Peterson seems fine. I approve of bettering yourself and so far thats all hes been talking about.
Its a 3 and a half our podcast. Im only about an hour in and probably wont ever go back to finish it tbh
Alright well if you actually listen to the whole thing you'll understand why people refer to him as the incel professor and generally mock him.
i just want to correct this in case people are interested in looking it up, i think you mean Majority Report
This forum isn't far left. That's as reactionary as saying Rogan is far-right. If your view of the world is everyone is either far-left or far-right you're being incredibly silly with politics. Cue jokes about telling some people to stop living on the internet and actually go out in public.
Resetera like GAF simply has pockets of communities where not everyone see's eye to eye on everything. It's true this is a left-leaning forum and I seriously doubt there's one Conservative or Republican on staff, unless there are any who don't mention who they vote for. A few members who posted in that political compass test were on the right, but the vast majority on the right in membership simply won't post in that topic. They exist. IIRC there's even a Conservative OT in the community section. On a true far-left forum that wouldn't be allowed.
What causes most arguing on here is infighting on the left where some claim you're not good enough to call yourself part of the lefts political camp so you best shoo off. Some people when they try to stand their ground end up losing it and being aggressive or name-calling, resulting in some of the waves of bans. It can be emotionally draining if you debate with someone and they just go to "bet you're a Nazi" or the favourite around here "I'm suspect about you". Yeah, many people lie and do deceive, but not every single person who isn't a carbon copy of yourself is a liar.
The forum ever since the GAF days does enjoy having large 30/40+ page topics going after individuals, but welcome to the internet. That's not a far-left thing. It's what happens with public figures, they get discussed. Especially when they have a podcast the size of Rogan's. Still, many will argue not against them being discussed but trying to dissect them honestly. You don't have to like someone or be in support of them simply because you question someone else saying they're a Nazi.
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It was coined to make white supremacy palatable. We usually cut to the chase and say Nazi but obviously there are different sects of white supremacists groups that overlap.
Obviously Rogan isn't out here like Spencer saying America is a white nation but he definitely supports those kinds of people as does Youtube, Facebook Twitter. Rogan isn't special, he's part of a machine
Like, if you're bringing on Ted Nugent and playing footsie with him; it's safe to say you're pretty trashy.
If you refer to a group of black folks as "planet of the apes"..... I notice the Rogan supporters don't seem to be addressing that one though
That's like 100 fucking pages. I don't have that kind of time. I can barely keep up with the threads that do interest me
Is there a list of alt-right types Joe Rogan has interviewed on his podcast?
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If you care, just watch some interviews with him in full. I did not see his bit with Rogan so i can´t really say how much of what he is usually saying it encompasses.
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The way you are posting this, you seem to know about him supporting white supremacists...who did he invite?
Don´t bother with the thread because it´s not about information, but mostly hot takes. Filtering that takes a lot of work and i have frankly given up on it.
If you care, just watch some interviews with him in full. I did not see his bit with Rogan so i can´t really say how much of what he is usually saying it encompasses.
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Oof.
Still I think there needs to be a concrete definitive definition of Alt-right. Because to me "alt-right" are people who have intents to harm or mock the injury or harm of minorities or people who want to defend the rights of minorities. Example people on /pol/ openly making fun of the hit and run victims in Charlottesville.
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You should really check out Era's Jordan Peterson thread. Peterson says some dumb shit, constantly.
Yes, the thread openly mocks Peterson. But when you have a guy who says--loosely--that heterosexual marriages are better for children than homosexual marriages because children of single, heterosexual parents are worse off mentally, you can't help but mock him.
Rogan eats Jordan's shit up, but I still wouldn't consider him alt-right. He has had many liberal people on his show, he's not alt-right just because he's had people like Jordan Peterson on. People want to see Shapiro and Peterson, he has them on. Gets him views. That's the free market for you. To call him alt-right is, quite frankly, absurd.
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