Can your PC run Windows 11? (Find out!) - Your gaming PC might be obsolete.
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activate firmware tpm which is called ptt/platform trust technology on intel
IMO this could have been a worry in the past but everything is a subscription now so there is no need to lock anything to a single device. You are already locked to a single copy through the requirement of needing a corporate account to do anything.
Netflix account, Steam account, etc. The DRM happens through your account and you are kept as a customer through the subscription.
Thus locking to a single device is kind of obsolete now.
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I have to wonder if this trend of requiring latest security chip (TPM etc) version is a trend in the future too, then could Win12 require MS Pluton? And for true future-proofing I should skip straight to a Pluton-supporting chip?
Meet the Microsoft Pluton processor – The security chip designed for the future of Windows PCs | Microsoft Security Blog
In collaboration with leading silicon partners AMD, Intel, and Qualcomm Technologies, Inc., we are announcing the Microsoft Pluton security processor. This chip-to-cloud security technology, pioneered in Xbox and Azure Sphere, will bring even more security advancements to future Windows PCs and...
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how do i do this ive looked into it and seems my maximus XIII hero board doesnt have a tpm chip with it just a header
Has any other OS just ditched all recent hardware? I dont remember this being an issue with W10 and my old setup which was also rather out of date.
Arguably some Macs I would expect but can't say for certain.
As for Windows I can't recall a step change this significant
This chip will be fine, as long as you purchase a TPM 1.2 module (they're like a fiver). Your motherboard has to have a header for the chip too ofc, but i think they usually do.
Microsoft has done a piss poor job at clarifying things with this OS.
Their inability to clarifying things is what's causing all the confusion.
Between the TPM requirements, the hard floor/soft floor breakdown (especially in regards to CPU support) and the Health Check app, it's just been a massive clusterfuck.
My laptop, a ThinkPad P50 has the following specs
According to the supported CPU list, my laptop can't run the OS.
According to the hard/soft floor, it can, but isn't recommended.
That's three separate, official things from Microsoft that give my computer three different results.
No wonder people are confused.
Their inability to clarifying things is what's causing all the confusion.
Between the TPM requirements, the hard floor/soft floor breakdown (especially in regards to CPU support) and the Health Check app, it's just been a massive clusterfuck.
My laptop, a ThinkPad P50 has the following specs
- 2.6ghz i7-6700HQ (with Intel TPM 2.0)
- 32GB DDR4 RAM
- 1TB m.2 nvme ssd
- Nvidia Quadro m1000m GPU
According to the supported CPU list, my laptop can't run the OS.
According to the hard/soft floor, it can, but isn't recommended.
That's three separate, official things from Microsoft that give my computer three different results.
No wonder people are confused.
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I just read up on CPU support - I'm surprised they're soft-locking CPUs before 8th gen Intel!
I just make the cut with my 9900K!
I just make the cut with my 9900K!
I just checked my desktop, had to activate the TPM thing on the BIOS and its good to go. I have an Asus x570 Wifi Plus Mobo, a Ryzen 7 3700x, 16 GB of Ram and a 3060.
It wasn't hard to activate on the Mobo, at least on this one, its specifically stated as AMD fTPM. Came defaulted to discrete TPM, changed it to firmware TPM and was good to go.
Its on page 25 of the BIOS manual: https://dlcdnets.asus.com/pub/ASUS/...ME_PRO_TUF_GAMING_X570_Series_BIOS_EM_WEB.pdf
My laptop has a i7-7700HQ, and it seems it isn't compatible, so its gonna rock Windows 10 until 2025.
It wasn't hard to activate on the Mobo, at least on this one, its specifically stated as AMD fTPM. Came defaulted to discrete TPM, changed it to firmware TPM and was good to go.
Its on page 25 of the BIOS manual: https://dlcdnets.asus.com/pub/ASUS/...ME_PRO_TUF_GAMING_X570_Series_BIOS_EM_WEB.pdf
My laptop has a i7-7700HQ, and it seems it isn't compatible, so its gonna rock Windows 10 until 2025.
Finally got on my gaming desktop PC (HP Omen 25L) and the PC health check says i'm good to go on that as well.
Yeah this seems like quite an inconvenience tbh. I'm doing my best not to upgrade given the costs but this seems to be putting a deadline on my pc. I get the feeling I may end up having to buy on finance since I just don't have the cash
- 2006 MacBooks were dropped in OS X Lion (2011)
- 2009 MacBooks were dropped in macOS Sierra (2016)
- 2011 MacBook Pros were dropped in macOS Mojave (2018)
- Early 2013 MacBook Pros were dropped in macOS Big Sur (2020)
- 2014 MacBook Pros are being dropped in macOS Monterey (2021)
There is not a single Mac owned by my family that can run a modern release of macOS any more, because Apple seems to drop support after 7 years (or less).
Microsoft uses strict requirements for their beta of Windows 11 - that they have said will be relaxed in later builds - and suddenly they're worse than Apple for extended hardware support.
People are also ignoring that there are soft and hard caps for what can run Windows 11. Many are probably running Windows 10 on "unsupported" CPUs as well, without even knowing it.
They're also making this far more "difficult" for themselves by doing an upgrade install rather than a clean install.
A clean install of Windows 11 is likely to only support UEFI rather than Legacy installs - so you don't have to deal with things like converting an MBR disk to a GPT one.
It should be noted that Apple has also required disk conversions for OS upgrades in the past, too - which I had to do manually via the terminal on some systems because their automatic conversion would fail.
I still don't know how so many people here have apparently managed to install Windows 10 in Legacy mode on their PCs.
Alternatively, just do a clean install of Windows when your system is configured to boot in UEFI mode.
I don't know why so many people are freaking out over this and doing potentially dangerous things like converting their Windows 10 drives to GPT.
UEFI has been a thing since Vista in 2006.
I don't know how so many people here have managed to be running Windows in the legacy mode.
The five requirements that we know of so far are:
- Your CPU must be on the compatibility list: Intel / AMD. Note: this is a "soft" cap where you fail the compatibility check, but it will not prevent you installing the OS.
- Secure boot must be used, with compatibility support mode (CSM) disabled.
- TPM 2.0 must be supported and enabled (currently).
- Virtualization needs to be enabled. ASUS disables it by default on my Crosshair Hero VI for example (first-gen Ryzen).
- 60 GB free space is required on a GPT-formatted boot disk.
The average/casual user is running an OEM (pre-built) system from a company like Dell, HP, Lenovo etc. which should be configured to work with this out of the box.
This is a problem for people that built their own PC - and mostly for those who don't have their BIOS configured correctly.
ASUS, for example, has terrible defaults on their gaming motherboards - and it's likely that most others do as well.
It should also be noted that the average person is never going to upgrade from Windows 10 to 11 themselves anyway.
Most people will 'upgrade' to Windows 11 when they buy a new PC.
I was speaking with someone recently that was still running Vista on an old PC because they just use it for things like record keeping for their business, and they asked me why they couldn't run some newer piece of software.
When I said that support for Vista was discontinued several versions ago, and suggested that it might be possible to upgrade it to a newer version of Windows, they said they'd just buy a new PC because that would be easier.
Intel has been absolutely terrible about feature support across their CPUs.
They arbitrarily disable features on many CPUs to create artificial product segmentation.
It would not surprise me at all if people find out that older K-series CPUs (unlocked/gaming versions) do not support security features like TPM.
They have also locked out things like Virtualization extensions and ECC support. They still do lock people out of the latter, unless it's rebadged as a Xeon.
don't want to disappoint you, but this chip doesn't work in my Asus Z97-Pro Gamer motherboard.
The older Asus 1.2 TPM does though.
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Knowing Microsoft, there's gonna be a point when they are going to throw requirements out of the window and I'm going to start seeing pop-up messages recommending me to install 11 :/
Yeah a clean install is definitely the best option. There are reasons why someone would choose to convert. Whether that is worth the potential problems is up to them. Its nice there are options.
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IMO this could have been a worry in the past but everything is a subscription now so there is no need to lock anything to a single device. You are already locked to a single copy through the requirement of needing a corporate account to do anything.
Netflix account, Steam account, etc. The DRM happens through your account and you are kept as a customer through the subscription.
Thus locking to a single device is kind of obsolete now.
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I have to wonder if this trend of requiring latest security chip (TPM etc) version is a trend in the future too, then could Win12 require MS Pluton? And for true future-proofing I should skip straight to a Pluton-supporting chip?
Meet the Microsoft Pluton processor – The security chip designed for the future of Windows PCs | Microsoft Security Blog
In collaboration with leading silicon partners AMD, Intel, and Qualcomm Technologies, Inc., we are announcing the Microsoft Pluton security processor. This chip-to-cloud security technology, pioneered in Xbox and Azure Sphere, will bring even more security advancements to future Windows PCs and...www.microsoft.com
So what is it used for then? There is not really any other reasonable explanation to make it a hard requirement for the average home user and it's not like MS has not tried exactly this approach before with Palladium (and failed), i don't give them the benefit of doubt anymore sorry.
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Yeah that kinda insane to me. Basically none of my work fleet from 2018 purchase can run windows 11. Wtf Microsoft.
If the adoption rate is as bad as I think it will be, they'll throw out the requirements or extend Windows 10.
Great summary. The PC Health Check app in particular is a janky, poorly thought out piece of software that is torpedoing any good publicity Microsoft may be getting around Windows 11.
Not giving users feedback about what is incompatible is shady and is as big an oversight as lumping together recommended and minimal specs and giving all those users a "not compatible" message.
Then there's the issue of excluding users with perfectly capable e.g. Ryzen 1st Gen or Intel 7th Gen CPUs from that "soft floor" list.
App Update Planned
agreed thankfully they're going to update it
but they really shouldn't have released it in that state in first place
That's not how TPM works at all. All the trusted computing stuff already exists in your CPU, and even browsers on Linux have to use the proprietary codecs if they want to play protected content. The TPM is just a key store. Linux will use it for encryption same as Windows, and Linux also needs to UEFI key store that fTPM is based on for secure boot same as Windows.
Not without having a dedicated TPM 1.2 module in your mobo (as far as I understand it)
so many 4790k's coming up in this thread :D
Again there is not really any other reasonable explanation to make it a hard requirement for the average home user and it's not like MS has not tried exactly this approach before with Palladium (and failed), i don't give them the benefit of doubt anymore sorry.
It's a NO here, but my PC is very old (Z68/2500k) so to be expected, however seeing nearly 50% in this poll being in the same boat I guess something may have to give. As long as I can still run the games I want to run on PC then I won't feel compelled to upgrade for Win11... not that it'll be an issue as Win10 will not lose support from devs or MS any time soon.
Along with crazy PC component prices, things like this do dent confidence in the platform as a viable alternative to consoles.
Along with crazy PC component prices, things like this do dent confidence in the platform as a viable alternative to consoles.
My Ryzen system is good to go after activating fTPM, but my old but still very capable X99/xeon machine looks SOL.
The product page on the gigabyte website says it does, but I'm not sure which module since it doesn't mention it
GA-Z97X-Gaming 7 (rev. 1.0) Gallery | Motherboard - GIGABYTE Israel
The reasonable requirement is so we can have a hardware root of trust available to anything that wants it in the OS. The functionality is already there. Mac's already have it with their T1 chip. If you don't want it, don't run Windows. The hardware itself is totally use-case agnostic. You can use the same technology to create a more locked down and secure Linux environment.
They are standard. Remember to look in your BIOS first to make sure you really need one!
Yeah I'm very surprised that they're taking an Apple approach on this - I "get it" but even this cut-off is almost unprecedented from Microsoft!
