The question "would you consider expanding private services within the public system to be expanded?" was asked multiple times and she refused to say "no". It's obvious why she wouldn't say no.Christine Elliott just said that they are keeping the public health care system. But I don't believe in anything from her mouth.
Mainstreet Poll:
In Quebec.
42% PLC
19% CPC
13% BQ
8%-9% NDP
Women Nationwide
42% PLC
28% CPC
I am sure that Doug is pissing off away enough support from Sheeeer to the point that Doug causes Sheeer to lose OntarioNice. If Trudeau could sway Ontario (I doubt, but federal Liberals are different than OLP), BC and Maritime, I think he could secure a government.
I am sure that Doug is pissing off away enough support from Sheeeer to the point that Doug cause Sheeer to lose Ontario
Keeping public health care doesn't preclude private from being brought in. They use Caroline Mulroney when they want to back pedal on an issue.Christine Elliott just said that they are keeping the public health care system. But I don't believe in anything from her mouth.
Nah, one doesn't cancel the other.I just ordered the Ontario health card the other day. Does anyone know if that automatically cancels my Québec health card?
I'm surprised you have to hold your nose at the Liberals rather than the NDP. You'd think that an orange vote would smell pretty bad considering the decaying state of their organization. But yes, please hold your nose and vote red so conservatives don't win and maybe one day the NDP will have a chance to not fulfill all their promises.
You should always do anything it takes to keep The Conservatives out of power.
We're never choosing between Liberals or NDP or Conservatives. It's Liberals/NDP or Conservatives, and right now that's the Liberals.
I had to hold my nose and vote NDP in the ontario election and they lost! But go ahead and lament a liberal win just to stay a conservative government.
There is more at stake than electoral reform in this election.
What is with these hostile reactions to someone expressing discontent with the Liberals and wanting to vote for the NDP? The Liberals aren't guaranteed a vote. They reneged on some major promises, and that is cause enough for someone to not want to vote for them. If someone does not want to reward their behaviour then that's their prerogative, not ours to decide for them. And if the Liberal lose then perhaps they should realize that it is a result of this sentiment.
That's just the shitty way the system works, and is why Trudeau lied about changing to PR. Some enlightened communities like yours can vote for a party that actually aligns with their values, some have to vote ABC, and some, like my urban/rural hellscape get dragged into backwater moron territory by mouth breathing right wing oil fanatics. I wish the NDP could get their shit together and raise more than 6% of the money the second best fundraisers could but it seems like they can't. That doesn't bode well for a national campaign.Too many Liberal supporters seem to be under the impression that the federal Liberals are entitled to non-rightwing votes.
I think we are on the same page a lot of the time. The broken PR promise was the biggest black eye of this mandate. I identify more with NDP policy as a whole, despite having a strong dislike for people like Ashton (who I think are crazy). For me it's just a matter of spending time and money on a party that can win.But alas. I'm going to hold my nose and vote Liberal. Because t'is is the plight of the NDP voter, and the alternative is much, much worse.
Next budget could include a modest expansion of pharmacare coverage. This is not the entire burrito and is not comprehensive. Seems to be more like a stop gap between a national program and none.
I can already hear the pundits saying either it's not enough or will cost too much...
Next budget could include a modest expansion of pharmacare coverage. This is not the entire burrito and is not comprehensive. Seems to be more like a stop gap between a national program and none.
I can already hear the pundits saying either it's not enough or will cost too much...
Some of us are NDP fans who can read the writing on the wall. Unless you live in an NDP stronghold your vote is just a waste of your time. They don't get money for it thanks to the CPC, and their fundraising game is amateur level. I voted NDP last time around. I'll likely never vote for them again. More believable change involves donating money to a big tent party and trying to get people enthusiastic about dragging it to the left rather than convincing Canadians to donate to a party with a proven record of losing. They need a leadership race and they need marketing and they can't afford either. NDP outside of provincial Alberta level are dead to me. Holding your nose and voting Liberal for most people is far more effective than breathing the beautiful scent of socialism and democracy in a place in the middle of nowhere called "obscurity".
Oh? I believe we are in the same riding. I wonder how that's gonna affect the results... especially since Ms. Laverdière is retiring. :(I did not know that the last riding redraws affected Laurier (mine) and Outremont's
Outremont used to end east bound on St-Laurent boulevard but as been redrawn east ward towards St-Denis street.
"now"
For Outremont and Laurier. Little Portugal used to be divided in half across both ridings, the redraw has Little Portugal now entirely in Outremont which means more LPC votes for that riding but less for Laurier. So Laurier may stay in NDP hands.Oh? I believe we are in the same riding. I wonder how that's gonna affect the results... especially since Ms. Laverdière is retiring. :(
"now"
I'm not saying they're dead outside of AB, I'm saying they're dead "to me", ie, I don't give a shit about them federally at this point because they're a circus.And you can't really say they're dead outside of Alberta when they're going to get wiped out there soon. At least they have a presence in Ontario. And if not for Liberal voters putting the party first then we wouldn't be shackled with Ford.
I'm not saying they're dead outside of AB, I'm saying they're dead "to me", ie, I don't give a shit about them federally at this point because they're a circus.
If anything I'd say they're strongest in BC. Their presence in Ontario is official opposition; which is what they'll be in Alberta if they lose in May (or whenever). They haven't had more presence than that in Ontario in the past 20 years and couldn't seal the deal getting through to Liberals with the best opportunity they've had in two decades. Alberta's NDP (although admittedly quite centrist) were able to peel votes off the PC's (and benefited from vote splitting) in the most conservative province in the country. Doug Ford is an a living, sweating, heavily breathing testament of the ineffectual ONDP leadership.
That salt stings even more considering the party is broke and who knows how much they'll spend in Alberta this spring. Hopefully they aren't pinching their pennies for a futile federal campaign. Or maybe I'm misunderstanding the way the party is structured and there's more distinction between federal and provincial parties like Libs and Cons.
how about flipping PC seats?I say the fact that Doug Ford is premier is a living, sweating, heavily breathing testament of how many Ontario provincial Liberal Party supporters have their heads far up their asses.
How about running a party that isn't a fucking piece of shit that makes the people want to kick them out. I mean, it's not hard to not privatize a crown corporation. You just keep the status quo and don't do it. Electricity prices were pissing people off well before 2018. You know if they actually did something back in 2015 when it first became a problem, people wouldn't have been as pissed off at them.
A party that can't shake the ghost of Bob Rae after 23 years when a rival party (of racists) can shake off a sex offender leader in around 23 days isn't a party that's breathing a fresh spring breeze.I say the fact that Doug Ford is premier is a living, sweating, heavily breathing testament of how many Ontario provincial Liberal Party supporters have their heads far up their asses.
The story of pretty much every party ever that gets voted out is "they're a fucking piece of shit that needs to be kicked out".How about running a party that isn't a fucking piece of shit that makes the people want to kick them out.
Except in the case of the OLP it couldn't have been more apparent. When they are a year and a half out from an election and they suddenly realize "oh shit. People hate us because of Hydro. We need to call an emergency parliamentary session to redo a budget outside of budget season to fix this thing that people have told us for years was a problem and is the number one reason they hate us". You can just tell that they were phoning it in.The story of pretty much every party ever that gets voted out is "they're a fucking piece of shit that needs to be kicked out".
we are relegating the past again but if you really want to prove me wrong, flip a PC seat
lol at BC wanting nothing to do with the Rest of Canada.
We really need to stop calling it "The West" and start calling Alberta n' Co "The Prairies" instead.
More like Sask n Friends because it's neighbors love it and it isn't that mutual apparently. Lol at AB liking SK more than SK likes AB.lol at BC wanting nothing to do with the Rest of Canada.
We really need to stop calling it "The West" and start calling Alberta n' Co "The Prairies" instead.
According to that study no one does? Sask certainly isn't reciprocating the love.
Inferiority complex 8/10My favorite question of that study is this one:
Canada, the country where everyone feels disrespected.
Pfft. Ontario's superiority complex is showingMy favorite question of that study is this one:
Canada, the country where everyone feels disrespected.
Inferiority complex 8/10
Kudos BC for being the best Province with no fucks to give
Let it burn. Centrist voters deserve this shit for being reliably terrible, and now that the middle class is facing the same shit that the poor have faced forever people want to complain? Womp womp.Except in the case of the OLP it couldn't have been more apparent. When they are a year and a half out from an election and they suddenly realize "oh shit. People hate us because of Hydro. We need to call an emergency parliamentary session to redo a budget outside of budget season to fix this thing that people have told us for years was a problem and is the number one reason they hate us". You can just tell that they were phoning it in.
They knew in 2014 that the only reason they won was because Tim Hudak made a major political blunder on day -1. A smart person would have realized this and not done things that would have made the people mad at them. Selling off Hydro One, acting arrogant about the costs of Hydro for several years, clearly trying to buy off the public in the last minute with watered down policies literally ripped out of your oppositions playback days after they announced them. They pretended that problems just didn't exist. They kept on running scandal after scandal despite knowing that people were tiring of their BS even when they got elected.
That Manitoba/Saskatchewan thing is hilarious. It's like a love triangle with Alberta winning.lol at BC wanting nothing to do with the Rest of Canada.
We really need to stop calling it "The West" and start calling Alberta n' Co "The Prairies" instead.
The people who say there's more in common with Manitoba are probably the Indigenous, as their communities have a lot more in common with each other between those provinces (larger sections of the population, larger urban presence, etc.)Let it burn. Centrist voters deserve this shit for being reliably terrible, and now that the middle class is facing the same shit that the poor have faced forever people want to complain? Womp womp.
That Manitoba/Saskatchewan thing is hilarious. It's like a love triangle with Alberta winning.