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I'm sort of disappointed in this season. It tried to juggle way to many threads at once for a mere ten episodes and a lot of the payoff in the last episodes ended up falling way flat. Mainly Alucard and Hector's plot lines. I think Lindenfeld plus one other plot line would've been more than enough. Even St. Germain could go, even though I like the character to give some other character developments some more pathos.
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Yeah, that Alucard twist just wasn't well handled. They clearly thought he wasn't showing them everything and wanted it all for themselves, but all malice was retroactive after the reveal.
I hadn't even remotely thought of this until now. Insane if true.
I like how the wiki for Sypha's strengths and weaknesses list the following (which is true for the game)
And Ellis and everyone were just like:
And went what if her magic basically made all of those weaknesses (except defensive, and arguably physical) irrelevant cause her magic is just fucking amazing. Like she might be my favorite magic user for how inventive and cool the shit she does is. She took some lessons from Ozai too.
I'm pretty sure she's even great at hand to hand combat at a couple points, and maybe once even had a sword?
Legion is my FAVOROTR CV boss and I was smiling like a crazy person when it showed up, and they did SUCH a good job with it too. They actually haven't done a ton of bosses (really any besides Legion and Dracula) so there's still a ton left they could pull from, With Death being the most obvious.
Wasn't the demon's sin that he gave up his friends to death (and got killed anyways?). Obviously he was only in a bad spot at all because of the times, but Isaac brought up what you brought up and the demon admitted there was more to the story.
Its this or you get a bunch of one note villains that are basically waiting to get offed by our heroes like in season 2. Actually nuanced characters with some depth > cool looking villains to beat up who don't even get any lines.
I think the thing with Lenore is
she genuinely doesn't care for Hector. It's not because of honor or compassion that she's treating him well but because he paid and he is owed. If she starts taking everything by force then her talent as a diplomat doesn't mean shit and she can't have that. Her whole philosophy (heh) seems to revolve around commerce and exchange so to deny that is to deny her worth. I think if anything can be learned from the was she so gleefully kicked the shit out of Hector is that she's over people not seeing her for what she's worth tho that last thing might be stretching it.
Can't say I enjoyed anything to do with Alucard this season. Dude should have just taken another nap.
Other than that it was pretty great. Especially the Isaac stuff. Was that Lance Reddick as the captain?
Other than that it was pretty great. Especially the Isaac stuff. Was that Lance Reddick as the captain?
Oh boy, I had no idea all the Forgemaster stuff is just lifted from Curse of Darkness. My Castlevania experience is limited to Super, Circle of the Moon and Dawn of Sorrow.
It's nuts that we now have three (hopefuly more??) seasons of a Castlevania anime in the spirit of great 80s/90s horror like Devilman, Demon City Shinjuku and Vampire Hunter D. And at its best, Castlevania's animation is breathtaking. I want every moment of Ep.9 and 10 in GIF form.
It's nuts that we now have three (hopefuly more??) seasons of a Castlevania anime in the spirit of great 80s/90s horror like Devilman, Demon City Shinjuku and Vampire Hunter D. And at its best, Castlevania's animation is breathtaking. I want every moment of Ep.9 and 10 in GIF form.
Enjoyed this season much more than the last one.
Some of my favorite scenes were the characters having one on one conversations, like the philosopher demon explaining how he got into hell to Isaac. Felt like Quentin Tarantino style dialog scenes.
I really hope we get to explore the infinite corridor and St. Germain's back story next season.
Some of my favorite scenes were the characters having one on one conversations, like the philosopher demon explaining how he got into hell to Isaac. Felt like Quentin Tarantino style dialog scenes.
I really hope we get to explore the infinite corridor and St. Germain's back story next season.
Yes, I originally thought he was Grant, but turns out he was just the reception at the Continental.
Seriously how can people call this season 3 a filler season when it's clearly a calm before a storm setup for season 4 and beyond? Lest you need reminding, a filler means a self contain media which have no progress on the main plot like all those Naruto/Bleach fillers whereas Castlevania Season 3 set up
And considering these 3 seasons have been loosely adapting Castlevania with no Grant Dynasty, Dracula being a tragic pitiful person instead of the stereotypical evil castlevania boss, Hector being a fuckhead and Camilla wasn't even in CV3. This whole netflix series isn't really true to the Castlevania games so the word filler can't be use on this.
Issac amassing an army of demons to take revenge on Camilla and Hector for betraying Dracula. Camilla also setting up her own army of demons to conquer lands which will come in conflict against Issac.
Hector and Lenore plotline is definitely a setup for Curse of Darkness because it seems Lenore is a replacement for Hector's wife Rosaly and Issac is definitely gonna kill her. Lenore wearing a 'wedding' veil when she met Hector, ' nursing ' him back to health with food, clothes and a better living quarters not to mention the 'wedding ring' despite how twisted this plotline is.
Alucard plotline with the Sumi and Taka is definitely one of the character progress setups for Alucard going to put himself to sleep until SOTN where Alucards appears very cold and distant when it come to human interaction and maybe also a future throw to Aria of Sorrow where he now lives as Genya Arikado in Japan. Pretty sure Warren Ellis didn't just out of the blue just throw in 2 Japanese characters with no link to Alucard.
If you want to talk no progression in the main plot then its clearly Trevor and Sypha, those 2 were clearly doing Bill & Ted Excellent Adventures for the past few months and this plotline is definitely one of them.
Hector and Lenore plotline is definitely a setup for Curse of Darkness because it seems Lenore is a replacement for Hector's wife Rosaly and Issac is definitely gonna kill her. Lenore wearing a 'wedding' veil when she met Hector, ' nursing ' him back to health with food, clothes and a better living quarters not to mention the 'wedding ring' despite how twisted this plotline is.
Alucard plotline with the Sumi and Taka is definitely one of the character progress setups for Alucard going to put himself to sleep until SOTN where Alucards appears very cold and distant when it come to human interaction and maybe also a future throw to Aria of Sorrow where he now lives as Genya Arikado in Japan. Pretty sure Warren Ellis didn't just out of the blue just throw in 2 Japanese characters with no link to Alucard.
If you want to talk no progression in the main plot then its clearly Trevor and Sypha, those 2 were clearly doing Bill & Ted Excellent Adventures for the past few months and this plotline is definitely one of them.
And considering these 3 seasons have been loosely adapting Castlevania with no Grant Dynasty, Dracula being a tragic pitiful person instead of the stereotypical evil castlevania boss, Hector being a fuckhead and Camilla wasn't even in CV3. This whole netflix series isn't really true to the Castlevania games so the word filler can't be use on this.
What people really mean is they feel unsatisfied by the lack of anything concluding
Man...hector is really fucking dumb or is too desperate for any kind of affection.
Keep being the best character Isaac. All in all this whole season felt like filler.
Because Judge love to play Judge, Jury and executor, controlling the town and take pleasures in killing if they don't comply to his town orders. He hated Sala and his cult because they were out of the Town's Jurisdiction control so the Judge couldn't kill him so now Judge would have a chance to do that in Hell.
It doesn't matter to me if this is filler or not, I loved the season regardless. Alcuard was a snore but the others are all very engaging and fun. I continue to be blown away by the action, especially all the inventive ways Sypha uses her magic.
It's not like he had much of a choice.Either he went aliong with Lenore or he would rot away in a cell.
so the MMF into a non-consensual BDSM scene was hot huh? but that exposed chest kinda spoiled it for me, knew it was coming even if motive seemed weak.
judge sure was a dick.
loved seeing legion getting represented
are the forgemasters this seasons main characters?
judge sure was a dick.
loved seeing legion getting represented
are the forgemasters this seasons main characters?
The season was a mixed bag.
The original trio's storyline were needlessly mean and cynical. None of them really learned anything new and they just end up where they began I felt. Doesn't help that both of those arcs felt like they could have been finished in a single episode rather than stretched across an entire season.
The forgemasters on the other hand were sublime. Isaac had the best scenes and the best dialogue this season, and his revelation at the end was very cathartic.
Hector is my least favorite character so I actually enjoyed seeing him get knocked around by the Sisters.
Next season is going to be amazing.
The original trio's storyline were needlessly mean and cynical. None of them really learned anything new and they just end up where they began I felt. Doesn't help that both of those arcs felt like they could have been finished in a single episode rather than stretched across an entire season.
The forgemasters on the other hand were sublime. Isaac had the best scenes and the best dialogue this season, and his revelation at the end was very cathartic.
Hector is my least favorite character so I actually enjoyed seeing him get knocked around by the Sisters.
Next season is going to be amazing.
I felt kinda the same. I understood the arc of where Alucard and Sypha's arcs were going, but the characters that were intended to be part of that revelation, the Japanese siblings and the judge, felt like they went from reasonable to unreasonable too suddenly to feel natural, even with the foreshadowing. Though it might be too late to complain about unnecessary meanness in this Castlevania adaptation now.
Carmilla
I did enjoy the minor lamp shading with Striga questioning why Carmilla's plan required Hector and why she beat him up. Seemed illogical to mistreat the key to your success but Carmilla's petulant response reframed it so that her actions were a result of her personal issues. Unnecessary meanness but rooted in character.
Though it's still fun to watch Trevor and Sypha banter and in action, St. Germain was a cool guy, and it did establish a strong personal tone with Alucard so it's not a waste, just that the dramatic climaxes felt off in a way the forgemasters didn't.
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the show is 85% slow drawn out conversations...
...and I love it for that. Hell, I need more. I need more Alucard cooking.
also this lol
...and I love it for that. Hell, I need more. I need more Alucard cooking.
also this lol
Assuming they even decide to go beyond Trevor Belmont's arc, they're probably adding threads to jump to Richter specifically. What they're doing with Alucard seems to be the biggest hint there.
If Carmilla survives after all of this, they can use that as a thread for Simon Belmont, as in the games she goes from a random vampire who exists in the world of Castlevania (at the time of Dracula's Curse in the games, she's only killed Sypha's parents) to serving Dracula, being one of the key figures behind the plan with Dracula's remains in Simon's Quest.
If they jump to the next Belmont chronologically, there's a lot they can do with Christopher's story and foreshadowing later events. The cult that exists in Christopher's time include the Bartley family, who later get prominence with Elizabeth Bartley, who is resurrected and starts World War I to try and bring back Dracula.
As you can see, there's a lot of shit they can do. But it's gotta involve more than profanity and the emphasis of fecal matter. :p
I like how the wiki for Sypha's strengths and weaknesses list the following (which is true for the game)
And Ellis and everyone were just like:
And went what if her magic basically made all of those weaknesses (except defensive, and arguably physical) irrelevant cause her magic is just fucking amazing. Like she might be my favorite magic user for how inventive and cool the shit she does is. She took some lessons from Ozai too.
Yeah Sypha is just amazing in general. She's ruthlessly effective in a fight, smart and capable when things get serious, great in comedy scenes, and super adorable to boot when she wants to be.
Probably my favorite character of this adaptation and I say that as a long time Alucard fan.
I can't with people moaning about "lack of progression" or "filler". Other than the silly sidestory with Alucard this is easily the best season yet.
It's the best kind of dumb fun, and it still boggles my mind that someone actually made a really pretty great adaptation of Castlevania of all things.
It's the best kind of dumb fun, and it still boggles my mind that someone actually made a really pretty great adaptation of Castlevania of all things.
So assuming they move the story along at all to kind of go with the games.
At some point Alucard will go to sleep and all of Rictor vs Drac (so no Alucard that season or 2?) then Rictor gets possessed, Dracs back again, and Alucard wakes up.
Or perhaps Alucard is always awake and just helps every new Belmont that pops up?
At some point Alucard will go to sleep and all of Rictor vs Drac (so no Alucard that season or 2?) then Rictor gets possessed, Dracs back again, and Alucard wakes up.
Or perhaps Alucard is always awake and just helps every new Belmont that pops up?
The odd thing about this season is that beyond Isaac vs. Carmilla I'm not really sure what else they can do. Like I GUESS they could do Curse of Darkness but the amount of work they'd need to put into getting Hector free just to let that story happen seems...unwise?
Like you'd need at least two more seasons to capably adapt CoD and I don't think there's anything else for Trevor, Sypha and Alucard to do until then.
Like you'd need at least two more seasons to capably adapt CoD and I don't think there's anything else for Trevor, Sypha and Alucard to do until then.
I think much of the fanbase as well as the crew have grown very fond of Trevor, Alucard and Sypha and would like to further develop these characters and their relationships instead of throwing them away after season 4 to start over with a complete new set of characters. So I've given up on seeing Simon or Richter and I'm completely fine with that. This series is its own thing even if it's taking inspiration from the games.
Is there any reason they couldn't just add those character to the cast? Saint Germain was a new main character this season and he gelled in with Sypha and Trevor perfectly. I dont know anything about Castlevania outside of the show but I see those names popping up every now and then during discussions about future seasons.
well Simon and Richter and whatnot are descendants so it's hard to have them along Sypha and Trevor isnt it :p
or ascendants? I'm not sure how the timeline works. I know it goes Simon > Richter but I forget if Trevor is before them or after.
Lol, I knew some would get upset about it. Just made that scene even better.
It would require a pretty significant timeskip as Richter is a descendant.
Trevor -> Christopher -> Simon -> Juste -> Richter -> ??????? (and John Morris, kinda) -> Julius.
thought so.
And Alucard just sleeps in and out a few decades in between I guess?
Ah I see thanks for that. I guess that would be hard to do. Although..
We did get what was essentially a wormhole this season. Maybe we get a portal leading from the future or something.
Beautiful scene (in a twisted sense) and great for representation.
After killing Dracula with Trevor, Sypha and Grant, Alucard goes to sleep until Shaft's meddling around Richter's era wakes him up. Then he disappears again until around 1999.
I think it's beyond clear that Warren is branching himself out of the games and going for a standalone tale.
HOWEVER
Thanks to IGA requiring him back in 2005 to immerse himself in the Lore of the series, every new development is still based on something, like we saw this season with Saint Germain and the memory corridor, or the mention or Leon Belmont in past seasons.
It's safe to say that no matter how different the plot seems to be developing from the original series, it's still heavily rooted on it.
I suppose a loose adaptation of CoD is what we're actually heading to, but one very heavily rewritten.
I'd like to expand on this a bit. You missed a bit near the end :p
After Dracula dies by the hands of Trevor Belmont, he goes to sleep until 1797, when he senses there's no Belmont to stop Dracula. This is because Richter is possessed by Shaft. After SotN, Alucard eventually lives with Maria Renard, and during a period where the Belmonts could not wield the Vampire Killer - Richter is the last true heir until Julius, with a 200 year gap between the two - he creates the Alucard Spear, a weapon to compliment the "weakened function" of the Vampire Killer in its non-Belmont hands, until Dracula is prophesied to be resurrected in August of 1999. He hands the Alucard Spear to the Lecarde family while the Morris family holds the Vampire Killer until Julius finally uses it to defeat Dracula.
He's only ever really confirmed to be asleep between Dracula's Curse and Symphony of the Night. He's still around right after the events of that game with the radio drama Nocturne of Recollection, and is clearly around in the late 1800s as he creates the Alucard Spear to aid the Lecardes, as the danger of the Vampire Killer in non-Belmont hands starts to be known when Quincey Morris uses it. Unless I'm mistaken, Grimoire of Souls also implies Alucard knows of the Order of Ecclesia, so while he wasn't a part of that game, he was aware of the attempt to bring Dracula back.
He's only ever really confirmed to be asleep between Dracula's Curse and Symphony of the Night. He's still around right after the events of that game with the radio drama Nocturne of Recollection, and is clearly around in the late 1800s as he creates the Alucard Spear to aid the Lecardes, as the danger of the Vampire Killer in non-Belmont hands starts to be known when Quincey Morris uses it. Unless I'm mistaken, Grimoire of Souls also implies Alucard knows of the Order of Ecclesia, so while he wasn't a part of that game, he was aware of the attempt to bring Dracula back.
This thread is taking forever to go through because I have to keep clicking spoilers ha ha. I really loved everything with the exception of Alucard as the the endgame of the two made no sense at all to me.