Yeah, sketchy for sure. I don't trust her. Defiantly wouldn't vote for her. Its pure 'scare tactics'.
Chelsea Manning: Cautionary Tale of Not Chilling with Alt-Righters If You Want Plausible Deniability
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I guarantee you it's the opposite. The alt right actively fights against trans rights and will continue to do so.
This one of the alt-right's main tactics: find a useful idiot from the groups they hate, and welcome them into their midst, so they can use then as shields against criticism. "we can't be racist, one of us is black". "we can't be transphobic, this one transfer chick agrees with us" etc etc
Based on what I've read of the situation here, a crucial difference between leftist figures like Contrapoints and what Manning professes to have done here, is that Contra and others don't play the "lets all meet in the middle" game. Even if they analyze, debate, or respond to the alt-right and fascists, they approach it from the perspective that these people are purveyors of bad ideas, whether from malice or sheer gullibility.
If Manning is trying to pull the Boogie shit of the-middle-is-a-great-place-to-be, screw that. The identity of the enlightened moderate is a seductive siren song that captures many people who want to appear wiser and more progressive than they actually are.
If Manning is trying to pull the Boogie shit of the-middle-is-a-great-place-to-be, screw that. The identity of the enlightened moderate is a seductive siren song that captures many people who want to appear wiser and more progressive than they actually are.
If you're at a nazi gathering and the news story isn't "New gifs of Nazi's getting punched for your enjoyment" you fucked up hard.
The far left doesn't actually find it hard and cutting her off is exactly what's happening now, as with Caitlin Johnstone and the few other lefties who have advocated alliances with the alt-right.
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Contra's thing was clearly a good-faith effort to try and pull people out of the alt-right. Whether it was worth doing so due to given the potential risk of signal-boosting and legitimizing said people via giving them a stage with you was the debate that blew up.
If TV were like it was 10-15 years ago, I feel like she'd be doing all those c-list celebrity reality shows.
I'd say finding a candidate "exciting" without knowing their policy positions is a pretty damn bad approach to politics.
I don' think Manning's made any kind of meet-in-the-middle statement though, right? If she was trying to keep this secret and then claimed she was crashing the party to fuck with them she's still presenting them as the bad guys, but her association with them is something she's trying to bury that has no public statement or purpose beyond that.
I still hold the position that Boogie's middle shtick is just a smokescreen to hide his actual views. That could still be similar to what's going on, I guess.
You really will find any excuse to shit on Chapo, won't you? You're obsessed.
Careful now. You obviously don't know that she's qualified because she served a prison sentence for irresponsibly leaking information. Apparently that makes her a better would be Senator than current Dem Senator Cardin. Oh, and her refusal to condemn the alt right and Julian? Well, she has her reasons...or something. #wegotthis
I guess being another contrarian moron trumps any political alignment. The less people like her in politics, the better.
What policies make Chelsea far - left? Anyway I think there 's is a blind spot that those types like Chelsea have with the alt-right. Both them and the alt-right are on the fringe( at least in their thinking) and general have a negative opinion on the current ways the government is ran. The types that are " far-left" I don't think take the alt-right seriously and tries to give an olive branch to them. However, those left-wing types don't do speak out against the alt-right either or not as much as liberals. The idea of trying to find good in everyone also plays a part, but it doesn't mean that the capability of changing minds are high. Actually the ones that try to aren't even equipped to change alt-right people's minds.
Many of the alt-right are still firmly against homosexuals. The way of thinking assumes that a one of the good ones is going to change their outlook for trans people. I'm sure that a lot of alt-right people personally knew AAs, but that doesn't change the fact that many of the same people still think AAs are less intelligent.
Many of the alt-right are still firmly against homosexuals. The way of thinking assumes that a one of the good ones is going to change their outlook for trans people. I'm sure that a lot of alt-right people personally knew AAs, but that doesn't change the fact that many of the same people still think AAs are less intelligent.
Being played like a ukelele by the dumbest person in the room.
They definitely didn't expect Chelsea being there to leak like this, they're all being caught flat-footed.
Chelsea is the kind of person who goes to antifa rallies. Never thought I'd see her pose for pictures with the alt-right.
I feel it's worth noting that Contra had a smaller audience that the people she was debating and they were going to get the platform even without Contra (if they didn't cancel) so even that debate was always kinda dumb and some people on the left were incredibly shitty to her.
If people are defending Chealsey here (when she clearly has the ability to signal boost given she's a celebrity and a history of being sketchy topics like Wikileaks as Excel's pointed out) whilst they dog piled on Contra then I don't know what to say.
Snowden didn't go to wikileaks with his initial leaks, that came later. He at least leaked through responsible journalistic entities that would vet/redact before publishing.
Sounds like the Brianna Wu situation. Running as a Dem for Congress in one of the most blue states vs a very popular and pretty liberal incumbent. Why.
I don't think I did. I just disagree with the implicit premise.
Seeing as how some of the most extreme leftwing folks agree with Trump I'm not surprised.
Because she isn't running to win. She is running to disrupt 1) and for her own ego 2)
I'll give you and sphagnum , specifically, credit where it's due. But you can't look me in the eye, read this topic, and call that premise baseless.
The same folks defending her after she refused to condemn Assange and Wikileaks will defend her after this too.
Hilarious that hanging with nazis is a purity test and you are stanning for an "exciting candidate" whose positions you don't even know.
Cult of personality runs deep.
I'm uncomfortable judging the decision-making of someone who's been through hell, and she's suffered *a lot.*
Still, this is a very, very bad look.
It's depressing how Wikileaks have somehow coopted these Snowden leaks, when really, they highlight how wrong Wikileaks is, and generally the difference between whistleblowing and being another intelligence asset.
Are you serious? So wait, her being a trans should supersede her refusal to condemn the alt right, assange, and wikileaks?!? Are you serious? Just nominate Caitlyn Jenner and be done with it then since they're equally offensive. And honestly, you display complete political immaturity and ignorance.