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Chelsea Manning: Cautionary Tale of Not Chilling with Alt-Righters If You Want Plausible Deniability
- Thread starter excelsiorlef
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Wait you already think she's a better choice even though you know jack shit about her policies?
I don't think we should talk about Milo in this way. Everything about his public persona feels like a fake constructed identity to "own the libs for generalizing".
It's possible being with the alt-right and their stance on white supremacy is more important than trans issues.
More, she is running as a Dem in one of the most blue states. Vs a very popular and pretty liberal incumbent
The reaction to Contra Points when she specifically went to a conference to confront the Alt Right was pretty disgusting, some of it mimicking the language that the Alt Right itself uses.
I wouldn't be surprised at any reaction I see to this situation.
What I'm mostly upset about isn't literally that Chelsea is a dumbass, because she's just one person, but that she's blowing it for all the causes that look up to her.
It's like if Bernie turned out to secretly be a Russian stooge it would have such a hugely negative impact on advancing more left wing policies, because people would just go "See?! You can't trust the left!". That's what's going to happen here.
It's like if Bernie turned out to secretly be a Russian stooge it would have such a hugely negative impact on advancing more left wing policies, because people would just go "See?! You can't trust the left!". That's what's going to happen here.
Her positions are not that, according to what she says.
Whatever, just disregard my post. I had a knee jerk reaction due to my complete disbelief and disappointment that Chelsea would associate with these individuals.
What a shame.
If you agree she fucked up then what are you even arguing on this thread? Lol.
I actually didn't say that. I said her candidacy is exciting, and I'm awaiting her revealing her actual policy positions, because that's what is important to me.
I also said being better than the guy she's trying to unseat is a pretty low bar to clear. He's one of the most unremarkable senators in existence with barely any accomplishments to speak of.
Much easier to learn to tolerate it as a white person because you much more likely to have a trans or gay relative than a minority one.
But he's also a demonstrated actor, liar and shit-stirrer. I don't want to look to Milo as an example of a self-hating person when we have better examples that aren't so contentious, like Caitlyn Jenner.
She trolled yall. RIP to her Senate dreams. check out her political ad... looks straight from InfoWars.
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Big difference is the debate was public. Manning is hanging out with these people in private. Well that and one was a debate and the other was an escape room.
Any person that parties and hangs with ANYONE associated with the Alt Right is a person that shouldn't get to represent any decent folk. Plain and simple. Regardless of what good she did.
Contra debating and taking down right wingers isn't comparable to Chelsea partying with them. Maybe you should let go of your salt and think about the situation a bit more critically.
yeah, and yet i'm (personally) seeing a lot more defense of manning despite the fact that contra was actively trying to do good in that case
though it could be a case of a poor sample set on my part
that's my point (though i think it probably isn't apparent what i think a "poor showing" is means to those not inside my head, so i'll make that post more clear)
from what i've seen (which could not be a representative sample), people who were harshly critical of contra seem to be either fully defending manning or being a lot more charitable - despite contra having the far more noble intentions
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I am not surprised either (because that's what liberals do: obliviously adopt messages and language from the far right to attack the left) but there's no denying here that this is a situation she shouldn't be involved in. She has the weight of a whole movement behind her that tries to resist liberalism and then she goes to party with neo nazis and ethno-statists. I don't have enough cynicism to defend her tbh.
That's not my experience with it all honestly. Like, I need to see some proof that the alt-right are actually not that hateful against trans people when literally everything I've seen is the opposite of that.
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Contra is a youtuber, Manning is for the lack of a better phrase a rock star.
Is that how the new age escape rooms are solved these days? Through debate?
I'd certainly want to escape any room that had Cernovich in it.
horseshoe theory isn't a thing (as I expect the vast majority of leftist responses to this news will demonstrate), but goddamn her for giving the people who believe in it ammunition
If anybody was supporting any significant weight upon her, then those people were a bunch of marks.
Oh, no, a ton of them absolutely are. Wasn't trying to deny that.
that's a good point - manning has a more "popular" personality behind her and is more consistently upbeat
and i appreciated manning's attitude a lot! i'm disappointed in seeing this, though i don't want to firmly draw too many conclusions beyond manning having poor judgement yet
Well considering she doesn't have any positions beyond 'law enforcement shouldn't exist'
There isn't much to go on besides her judgement and character
This could be a case of Hanlon's razor. "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Chelsea Manning the one who revealed Chelsea Manning's alt right connection? She willingly and without prompt decided to tweet that she was "crashing" this party. If she was some kind of alt right or Russian double agent, I can't imagine the reason for her playing that card. At least not this early.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Chelsea Manning the one who revealed Chelsea Manning's alt right connection? She willingly and without prompt decided to tweet that she was "crashing" this party. If she was some kind of alt right or Russian double agent, I can't imagine the reason for her playing that card. At least not this early.
She didn't, a reporter covering the Cernovich party heard she was there and spotted her, getting quotes from people about her presence.
Chelsea then tweeted about "Crashing" it.
Then this picture from a month ago came out.
She wasn't making any noise about this event publicly till her hand was forced.
Yup, this is a bad look. Not hanging out with popular fashy kids is a low bar to meet, especially considering the positions she's claimed since being released.
There's also the escape room she attended with them, which is rather harder to explain.
i agree - she is a poor candidate
i wouldn't go as far as to label her as "white nationalist co-conspirator", but i think she is far more ambivalent towards social issues than she initially tried to present
Can I pose two questions:
1. How many non-far leftist liberals have we caught hanging out with neo-nazis in their spare time?
2. Why the fuck does the far left find it so fucking difficult to say "we were wrong about this person" and cut them the fuck off without the constant need for equivocating and playing the victim? Because, in my experience, liberal shitstains get the boots put to them but quick.
1. How many non-far leftist liberals have we caught hanging out with neo-nazis in their spare time?
2. Why the fuck does the far left find it so fucking difficult to say "we were wrong about this person" and cut them the fuck off without the constant need for equivocating and playing the victim? Because, in my experience, liberal shitstains get the boots put to them but quick.
I thought her tweets came after other tweets revealing her to be at the party.
If you hang with Nazis, you are a Nazi.
She always seemed fake with her overly positive bullshit. A lot of people got played, and many won't even accept it.
She always seemed fake with her overly positive bullshit. A lot of people got played, and many won't even accept it.
lol that's literally the best description of that campaign ad
I just think she's trying to parlay her social and political capital into a position as a socialite.
Because by nature us liberals tend to be bleeding hearts and want to try to think well of people.
I mean usually until they're going to escape rooms with modern day nazis anyway.
She says imperialism is bad (and it is!) and in many online circles that's enough.
She isn't particularly bright or bestowed with good decision-making skills. But ultimately these Pied Pipers doing things for their own gratification or at the behest of others, makes little significant difference to the outcome. Gullible fools enamored with cults of personality at the exception of any reason will stir the pot in a counterproductive manner.