We can do a lot better than the person she's running against. And I personally find the prospect of the first trans woman in congress being a progressive important and exciting.
As I said earlier, I'm mostly concerned with her policy positions, not a random party. But you guys can pick candidates however you like. I think it's a mistake to tear people down this fast.
Not trying to double post but is this serious? LBGTQ people do not have a hive mind and shock horror many either vote or support politics that go against their interests on some base levels, or indeed they don't think they go against their interests at all. Or don't care. Look at any African American republican, or people like milo or even Caitlin Jenner supporting trump.
And let me get this straight: she's running as a Dem?
Bullshit.
Are liberals really going to sink so low as acussing Chelsea of colluding with people who deny her very self and identity and most likely than not would like her dead?
Disgusting.
I don't think we should talk about Milo in this way. Everything about his public persona feels like a fake constructed identity to "own the libs for generalizing".
Not trying to double post but is this serious? LBGTQ people do not have a hive mind and shock horror many either vote or support politics that go against their interests on some base levels, or indeed they don't think they go against their interests at all. Or don't care. Look at any African American republican, or people like milo or even Caitlin Jenner supporting trump.
If you agree she fucked up then what are you even arguing on this thread? Lol.
As if that wasn't the underlying implication, but okaaay.
Anyway, I am not dying on this hill. She fucked up. Goddamn it Chelsea.
I actually didn't say that. I said her candidacy is exciting, and I'm awaiting her revealing her actual policy positions, because that's what is important to me.Wait you already think she's a better choice even though you know jack shit about her policies?
Much easier to learn to tolerate it as a white person because you much more likely to have a trans or gay relative than a minority one.It's possible being with the alt-right and their stance on white supremacy is more important than trans issues.
i'm curious if the popular internet folks who mischaracterized and lambasted contrapoints as "a traitor" when she debated against right wing opponents out of some misplaced "concern" that she would be unable to hold her own and end up providing ammunition for the alt-right are responding to chelsea in the same manner now
i don't know if this is a generalizable take, but my own twitter feed seems to be a poor showing so far
i'm curious if the popular internet folks who mischaracterized and lambasted contrapoints as "a traitor" when she debated against right wing opponents out of some misplaced "concern" that she would be unable to hold her own and end up providing ammunition for the alt-right are responding to chelsea in the same manner now
i don't know if this is a generalizable take, but my own twitter feed seems to be a poor showing so far
As I said in PoliERA:
Yeah, I'm not too happy about this. If she was palling around with, say, an awful but "normal" capitalist like Paul Ryan I would find it bizarre but brush it off as a quirk. There's no justification for trying to make nice with alt right figures.
Moments like this always hurt but you get over it and move on. A good reminder not to have heroes. History already steels you for that anyway.
Trust historic forces, not individuals.
Big difference is the debate was public. Manning is hanging out with these people in private. Well that and one was a debate and the other was an escape room.
Contra debating and taking down right wingers isn't comparable to Chelsea partying with them. Maybe you should let go of your salt and think about the situation a bit more critically.
Is that how the new age escape rooms are solved these days? Through debate?
The reaction to Contra Points when she specifically went to a conference to confront the Alt Right was pretty disgusting, some of it mimicking the language that the Alt Right itself uses.
I wouldn't be surprised at any reaction I see to this situation.
I don't think we should talk about Milo in this way. Everything about his public persona feels like a fake constructed identity to "own the libs for generalizing".
Much easier to learn to tolerate it as a white person because you much more likely to have a trans or gay relative than a minority one.
yeah, and yet i'm (personally) seeing a lot more defense of manning despite the fact that contra was actively trying to do good in that case
though it could be a case of a poor sample set on my part
Is that how the new age escape rooms are solved these days? Through debate?i'm curious if the popular internet folks who mischaracterized and lambasted contrapoints as "a traitor" when she debated against right wing opponents out of some misplaced "concern" that she would be unable to hold her own and end up providing ammunition for the alt-right are responding to chelsea in the same manner now
i don't know if this is a generalizable take, but my own twitter feed seems to be a poor showing so far - what's the cause in the disparity of responses?
I'd certainly want to escape any room that had Cernovich in it.Do you do fun nights out like Escape Rooms with the people who want to deny you your very self and identity?
She has the weight of a whole movement behind her that tries to resist liberalism
Oh, no, a ton of them absolutely are. Wasn't trying to deny that.That's not my experience with it all honestly. Like, I need to see some proof that the alt-right are actually not that hateful against trans people when literally everything I've seen is the opposite of that.
that's a good point - manning has a more "popular" personality behind her and is more consistently upbeatContra is a youtuber, Manning is for the lack of a better phrase a rock star.
that's a good point - manning has a more "popular" personality behind her and is more consistently upbeat
and i appreciated manning's attitude a lot! i'm disappointed in seeing this, though i don't want to firmly draw too many conclusions beyond manning having poor judgement yet
She didn't, a reporter covering the Cernovich party heard she was there and spotted her, getting quotes from people about her presence.This could be a case of Hanlon's razor. "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Chelsea Manning the one who revealed Chelsea Manning's alt right connection? She willingly and without prompt decided to tweet that she was "crashing" this party. If she was some kind of alt right or Russian double agent, I can't imagine the reason for her playing that card. At least not this early.
This could be a case of Hanlon's razor. "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Chelsea Manning the one who revealed Chelsea Manning's alt right connection? She willingly and without prompt decided to tweet that she was "crashing" this party. If she was some kind of alt right or Russian double agent, I can't imagine the reason for her playing that card. At least not this early.
Well considering she doesn't have any positions beyond 'law enforcement shouldn't exist'
There isn't much to go on besides her judgement and character
She didn't, a reporter covering the Cernovich party heard she was there and spotted her, getting quotes from people about her presence.
Chelsea then tweeted about "Crashing" it.
Then this picture from a month ago came out.
I thought her tweets came after other tweets revealing her to be at the party.This could be a case of Hanlon's razor. "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Chelsea Manning the one who revealed Chelsea Manning's alt right connection? She willingly and without prompt decided to tweet that she was "crashing" this party. If she was some kind of alt right or Russian double agent, I can't imagine the reason for her playing that card. At least not this early.
I guess even Chelsea Manning cannot withstand the purity test of the modern left.
I'm mostly just awaiting her actually revealing some of her policy positions. But she remains one of the most exciting Senate candidates I've seen in a while. Already demonstrated great character and bravery.
She tweeted much later after the news broke she was there.This could be a case of Hanlon's razor. "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Chelsea Manning the one who revealed Chelsea Manning's alt right connection? She willingly and without prompt decided to tweet that she was "crashing" this party. If she was some kind of alt right or Russian double agent, I can't imagine the reason for her playing that card. At least not this early.
She trolled yall. RIP to her Senate dreams. check out her political ad... looks straight from InfoWars.
lol
This could be a case of Hanlon's razor. "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Chelsea Manning the one who revealed Chelsea Manning's alt right connection? She willingly and without prompt decided to tweet that she was "crashing" this party. If she was some kind of alt right or Russian double agent, I can't imagine the reason for her playing that card. At least not this early.
Because by nature us liberals tend to be bleeding hearts and want to try to think well of people.Can I pose two questions:
1. How many non-far leftist liberals have we caught hanging out with neo-nazis in their spare time?
2. Why the fuck does the far left find it so fucking difficult to say "we were wrong about this person" and cut them the fuck off without the constant need for equivocating and playing the victim? Because, in my experience, liberal shitstains get the boots put to them but quick.
How does anyone involved with WikiLeaks (buddies with Putin, the alt-right, Nigel Farage, and Donald Trump Jr) have any credibility, let alone enough to be considered a non-joke Democratic candidate for the Senate?
She isn't particularly bright or bestowed with good decision-making skills. But ultimately these Pied Pipers doing things for their own gratification or at the behest of others, makes little significant difference to the outcome. Gullible fools enamored with cults of personality at the exception of any reason will stir the pot in a counterproductive manner.This could be a case of Hanlon's razor. "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Chelsea Manning the one who revealed Chelsea Manning's alt right connection? She willingly and without prompt decided to tweet that she was "crashing" this party. If she was some kind of alt right or Russian double agent, I can't imagine the reason for her playing that card. At least not this early.