Full article here: http://foreignpolicy.com/2018/04/18...-america-china-students-beijing-surveillance/
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Chinese Communist Party Is Setting Up Cells at Universities Across America
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Full article here: http://foreignpolicy.com/2018/04/18...-america-china-students-beijing-surveillance/
They are free to do so, but I expect they will be watched closely by US government officials. Not so much for the communism angle, but for fear that they will be used to push Chinese communist ideology to local students in order to create political disruption.
It's popped up on this forum, I wonder if the two things are related.
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To counter: Countries say a lot of things. All major countries will often wage PR and actual wars at the same time. This is how the US can historically support democracy yet intervene to overthrow democratically elected governments when they work against the goals of the US. China says they have no desire to influence the rest of the world, but at the same time they are buying up resources and land in Africa, South America, and Asian in order to form powerful trade ties. These ties will create dependencies and allow them to influence those countries.
I agree, but Americans don't have a phobia against socialism.
Please read the article. They're being forced to form these groups by people back home.
In these types of political organizations there's always some level of government "representation".
Like how consulate workers generally aren't supposed to be spies but almost all of them are.
I don't see how the red scare has anything to do with China setting up government run groups to try and keep their citizens loyal.
I disagree on that, it's constantly used as an attack by our ruling political party
So this is you normalizing two inflammatory, highly illegal activities? It is critical that NGOs maintain independence from government influence, because the very mature of their missions require unbiased leadership.
Agreed. This is more for them to keep track of thier own and make sure they aren't effected by Western ideals.
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I'm not seeing the similarities between Unicef or the Red Cross and Communist Party-run forced ideological adherence organizations.
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They also do it to try and spread their own ideology via so-called Confucius Institutes to foreign countries as a way to control the narrative.
Are they trying to monitor other exchange students from China, or are they trying to monitor American citizens and try to convert them ideologically to communism?
Because even if American students have anti-party thoughts, what can China do about it on foreign soil?
Because even if American students have anti-party thoughts, what can China do about it on foreign soil?
The former. They want to make sure that students studying abroad don't come back with 'interesting' ideas about governance.
Do you think Unicef and Red Cross are the only NGOs in existence or something?
Jesus Christ. Providing some context for something is normalization? Did you break a hip with that knee jerk reaction?
Governmental involvement in NGOs has been a problem worldwide for a long time with NGOs providing cover for governmental organizations. This is not a secret nor is saying so a controversial statement.
"But it says *NON GOVERNMENT* in the name!"
Well golly gee! I guess if that's the name of it then that's certainly true and governments won't do anything that would befoul the sanctity of names!
Don't be so naive.
It is crazy how effective they are. I would randomly see them tear down Free Tibet signs at univerisities here, even try and fight folks who would have anti-CPC signs or pro-HK or pro-Taiwan signs etc. Haven't seen anything like it before.
We are witnessing the rise of a superpower that is ethnically very homogenous to the point of almost 1 billion, with the shared belief in a singular unified nation and thought.
I mean isn't allowing that part of an open and free society?
You're aware Communist thought came to China from the West in the first place right? Like it's no less endemic of the West than more Capitalistic conceptions of Political-Economy.
That doesn't mean they want to export ideology. Your American example is a great demonstration of this.
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Most of the international students from China are of the same class of those investors buying up hot property all over the country. And if they're not, the families make more than enough to send their kids to the US for the full cost of education and modest housing. This scaremongering is a joke because those kids couldn't give a shit about what "the party" thinks when they're not beholden to them. Not only that, but US institutions are actively recruiting these students because they bring lots of money with them.
Most of the international students from China are of the same class of those investors buying up hot property all over the country. And if they're not, the families make more than enough to send their kids to the US for the full cost of education and modest housing. This scaremongering is a joke because those kids couldn't give a shit about what "the party" thinks when they're not beholden to them. Not only that, but US institutions are actively recruiting these students because they bring lots of money with them.
Pretty much. China isn't scared of anything. The article makes it sound like these are everywhere.
They are also being watched for working on projects involving sensitive topics such as energy, defense and so forth.
Yeah this has been a thing(if just wasn't THAT obvious . My Chinese teacher was a member of the CCP and she always played propaganda-ish stuff at the Chinese club.
She was pretty critical of the party though and would tell us negative stuff if we asked. She just had to show propaganda-ish stuff they were sponsoring her. I even joked about it being propaganda with her.
She was pretty critical of the party though and would tell us negative stuff if we asked. She just had to show propaganda-ish stuff they were sponsoring her. I even joked about it being propaganda with her.
Actually that is the opposite meaning of my post. You are assuming that the PR is the truth (in which case the US wants democracy, and does not force it on the world). In reality, the PR is the lie. The truth is that the US wants countries to have leadership that will behave according to US government interests. They then cover this by pretending that they support democracy. China is the same way, where their PR is the lie (that they don't want to export their ideology or interests), and the truth is that they are working very hard to build a world network of regions that are closely tied to (and are dependent on) China.
Are you really comparing the american prison system to the legal slave trade and plantation farming?
