I thought it during my initial watch so it's not like it's a big jump in reasoning. I'm ok with his assessment.
Chris Terrio (The Rise of Skywalker) clarifies some of the film's most hotly debated plot points
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Except Kathleen Kennedy gave them as much freedom as they wanted, given that they at least accomplished a small handful of goals in the film. Any good writer and director given that kind of freedom should have been able to deliver something at least slightly more satisfying or at least critically solid.
But they didn't. Both Chris and JJ's responses in these interviews show that they really were just pandering to their own whims without really any rhyme or reason as to why anything was happening. They had these strange ideas about the series that more closely aligned to fanfic than something that two professionals should be able to create.
Many, They send star destroyers to the rest of the galaxy after blow-up the hosnian prime system.
The Resistance just destroy The Sith Fleet.
Reading those Terrio quotes reminds me of Doug/Rob Walker's "serious" film discussions lmao
just like a person thinking the stupidest shit is the most profound thing any human has ever thought
just like a person thinking the stupidest shit is the most profound thing any human has ever thought
" So, the story is certainly pointing that way, and then, in the moment of Rey's death...I shouldn't use the word death because the word death is a complicated word there...But in the moment- it's not a death per se - when the life is going out of Rey, Finn can feel her and her last breaths. "
"I don't think we think of it as she's going to live there," Terrio said. "We thought of it as just paying her respects and sort of undoing the original sin at the end of the third movie, which is the separation of the twins...We very deliberately in the script described the wrapping of the sabers, as 'like you were wrapping infants.'
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"I don't think we think of it as she's going to live there," Terrio said. "We thought of it as just paying her respects and sort of undoing the original sin at the end of the third movie, which is the separation of the twins...We very deliberately in the script described the wrapping of the sabers, as 'like you were wrapping infants.'
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Fuck I should write movies.
I am nowhere near as incoherent as this fuck.
It's literally spelled out in the movie that he knows which ship it is because he feels it
Hubris?
He granted an interview and answered the interviewers questions. The fuck are you talking about
Granted my ass. I'm betting Disney shoved him out there to do damage control.
Ben is the deuteragonist though. Rian's Johnson revelation for the mystery box that her parents are never coming back, and she's just herself like in the mirrors, a nobody who the force awakened, was a good enough reveal,
I'm not going to tell anyone to like TROS but seriously every nitpick was explained in this article and no the world isn't out to get you with PR spin.
Last movie ending with hope being spread based on what the Resistance accomplished, and episode IX them hammering home the fact that they should keep reaching out for others as opposed to giving up and assuming they'll never reach out back. Seems pretty clearly communicated to me.
The star destroyers don't rely on each other once in space - only for takeoff at planet level. Because reasons
Every great idea this film has gets inflated by them not thinking the idea through properly, writing in the wrong details or omitting them. There was no need for Leia nor Luke to know that she was a Palpatine, it only creates problems and inconsistencies. The whole "kill me with hate and I take over your body" point would have been good and she didn't even have to be a Palpatine, just be filled with hatred. It would not contradict Palpatine/Snoke wanting Kylo to kill her. They could even expand on Palpatine needing a body and tie it in with the last movie:
Following Luke Skywalker's death and the the Resistance being almost completedly gone, hope is rising and people with force powers are slowly revealing themselves. People are joining the Resistance but at the same time, force sensitive people have been disappearing. There are rumours that Palpatine is back and he is the one kidnapping them for reasons unknown.
-Finn could reveal to Rey that he is force sensitive mid way in the film.
-Finn could still meet the ex Storm troopers and then have some of them say that they are force sensitive and got kidnapped by Palpatine
-Palpatine just needs a strong body to take over and doesn't necessarily need it to be Rey or Kylo
-No Snoke is a clone of Palpatine rubbish
-The film could continue to destroy the Jedi-Sith dichotomy and have Rey, at the end, with a bunch of force sensitive people.
-She opens a school, takes in whoever is willing to join, and trains them/trains with them, dropping the terms Jedis and Siths and decides that the new generation of force sensitive users will be known as Skywalkers as tribute to Luke.
Disney is officially announcing that the Star Wars franchise is now known as Skywalker Saga and retrospective renaming all media associated with the franchise. Disney also simultaneously announces Skywalker Saga Episode X : A New Star War, Skywalker Saga Episode XI : The Last Skywalker, Skywalker Saga Episode XII : ReRise of Palpatine.
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I was thinking more of moving away from the paths of Jedi vs Sith and just focusing on an entirely new school of just trained force sensitive users.
" I don't want to over-explain our intentions in the film, and I'd leave it to the audience to draw causal connections between events. "
Says it all really, a hack writer and JJ Abrams for the story of the conclusion of the Star Wars main saga. It never stood a chance.
Says it all really, a hack writer and JJ Abrams for the story of the conclusion of the Star Wars main saga. It never stood a chance.
I have been asking myself if the co-writer, he only gets 2nd billing on the screenplay (after JJ) and 4th out of 4 on the story chart, was a major part of the film´s problem as I like his Argo and BvS screenplays. He was totally fucked on JLA after all, what we saw in 2017 just isn´t his script, but reading this and other things cements to me that Terrio properly helped to undo this movie. It takes a village to burry a film and he personally helped to carry the ROS casket.
We know for a fact that Palps wasn´t on the cards when TFA came out to answer that page 4 question. He is a last-second swerve by JJ. There was no plan.
The OT at least build up the big bad in the 1976 book and Empire.
Edit: Was this posted?:
Why Star Wars: The Rise Of Skywalker's Writer Wishes It Was Split Into Two Movies
I wish we could have done that. There is a lot of plot in the movie, and as a writer, you always want scenes to let the plot breathe more. If there were a way of doing it, splitting it would have been my dream.
That's his 2nd 2-part pie in the sky script shot down after JLA. Even BvS is a part of a series film. Just settle for a one movie idea next time Terrio.
We know for a fact that Palps wasn´t on the cards when TFA came out to answer that page 4 question. He is a last-second swerve by JJ. There was no plan.
The OT at least build up the big bad in the 1976 book and Empire.
Edit: Was this posted?:
Why Star Wars: The Rise Of Skywalker's Writer Wishes It Was Split Into Two Movies
I wish we could have done that. There is a lot of plot in the movie, and as a writer, you always want scenes to let the plot breathe more. If there were a way of doing it, splitting it would have been my dream.
That's his 2nd 2-part pie in the sky script shot down after JLA. Even BvS is a part of a series film. Just settle for a one movie idea next time Terrio.
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I would like to respond to this thread, but I think I would prefer to leave it to the readers' interpretation as to what I wanted to say.
She buried the wrong saber btw. Luke´s is green. It may be on Ahch To...? Help me Era.
She buried Anakin´s and Leia´s sabers. What a movie, what amazing answers. And what does Rey own after this film? BB-8, cuz that double sun motif is in the final scene. The OT droids? The Falcon that Chewie may now own?
She buried Anakin´s and Leia´s sabers. What a movie, what amazing answers. And what does Rey own after this film? BB-8, cuz that double sun motif is in the final scene. The OT droids? The Falcon that Chewie may now own?
Wikia don´t know. I can tell you that:
Here is Annies one:
Here is Annies one:
But if his body died in RotJ, why does his body in TRoS have burned off fingertips and does it look worse than his body in RotJ. Surely if he got a new body, he would look younger?
TLJ Expanded novel said the caretaker keeps Luke's weapons and others to the box.
and no reason anyone should have known about it, because there was no reason to tell the other resistance members.
They showed up because it was mistaken for being a refutation of the "nihilism" of the previous movie. "see look, things aren't so bad! People Will Band Together."
As though TLJ isn't one of the most hopeful movies in the series.
My opinion is my own but I think there's just a lot of Last Jedi fans angry because it retconned a load of stuff in TLJ. Because objectively there's a shit ton of contradictory things in every Star Wars ever made.
Just one example is the clear fact that the Skywalker bloodline in the original was made up on the spot which brings up a whole lot of issues with the original saga, and that's just one thing "wrong" with the original Trilogy.
To me Rise of Skywalker is an extremely enjoyable Star Wars film (the third best out of all films including Star Wars stories), but like all Star Wars films shouldn't be taken as seriously as so many people here take these films.
I'd call myself a strong fan of the franchise and have a unique ranking compared to a lot of people: I myself found Last Jedi moderately entertaining but a little mediocre but I'm not shitting on the film like some people, the same how I won't shit on this film. Because I know the entire franchise is flawed.
Just one example is the clear fact that the Skywalker bloodline in the original was made up on the spot which brings up a whole lot of issues with the original saga, and that's just one thing "wrong" with the original Trilogy.
To me Rise of Skywalker is an extremely enjoyable Star Wars film (the third best out of all films including Star Wars stories), but like all Star Wars films shouldn't be taken as seriously as so many people here take these films.
I'd call myself a strong fan of the franchise and have a unique ranking compared to a lot of people: I myself found Last Jedi moderately entertaining but a little mediocre but I'm not shitting on the film like some people, the same how I won't shit on this film. Because I know the entire franchise is flawed.
The more they talk the more I'm glad the ST is over. Shame it ended with such a mess, everyday ROS gets stupider the more I think about it
In the now non-cannon EU, Palpatine is put into the body of several different clones. They age rapidly and he has to move to another body.
But they didn't say that in the movie.
I wonder what happened with the writing and idea's after FA, Force Awakens seemed to have a bunch of idea's of where to go and setting up a path but for some reason the next movie scraps the previous two times in a row.
Putting down a bad movie is one thing, but you're not doing your self any favors by having to explain your movie in interviews.
Putting down a bad movie is one thing, but you're not doing your self any favors by having to explain your movie in interviews.
The writers thought lineage was cool because it was Star Wars, but it was cool because it was cool to the OT and that story. Really wish they would have left well enough alone on not making the hero related to that guy we know.
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I honestly connected the climax with Luke's sacrifice inspiring hope and was surprised to see the discussion about it, but reading people's issues with it, I can see how it's something that would make sense but not feel as if the writers really thought it through when making the movie.
One of the many flaws this stupid movie has is how badly, like TFA, it establishes the actual state of the conflict and the after-effects of TLJ. Are The First Order now in complete control of the galaxy? Have the Resistance grown in number? How did the galaxy react to Luke's 'return'? Even downtrodden slave children know the story so it must have spread across the galaxy like wildfire. How much time has passed and what has Kylo Ren been doing in that time? The movie starts as if the last hour of Episode VIII never happened, as if Kylo chopped Snoke in half, Rey and the Resistance escaped somehow and Luke died offscreen with no explanation and this movie starts a week later.
After TLJ the logical backdrop for the next film was a galvanised Resistance with greater numbers due to Luke's miraculous return vs a mutinous First Order led by a humililated Kylo Ren. TROS sort of leans into both those things but not in a natural way, it doesn't feel like it properly lines up with the other films.
Nah, Terrio may have made some baffling decisions, but no shortage of them were at the behest of corporate influence.
Lucas' prequels were all his own.
I don't know if this movie is written worse than Attack of the Clones.
This movie's issue is that the story's writing isn't as good as the previous two, but there is some fun dialogue. AOTC has a good story on paper but is reaaallllly bad in the dialogue department.