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Cliff 'CliffyB' Bleszinski Seemingly Retires from Game Development
- Thread starter Saty
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If he wasn't such an asshole maybe he wouldn't get so much shit. I remember getting into argument with him on Twitter. But hey I respect his push towards gears years ago. But see ya Cliff...
Social media can get under your skin easily. I would hate to be in his place so I understand why a single tweet broke him.
Sorry - it was meant to be snark on his "It will be a BILLION dollar franchise" ... Im bad at snark today evidently.
Not the best response from Cliff and I wish him the best of luck, but holy shit at the entitlement of the original tweeter.
What he did is called scam.
He sold a product to you play online but you can't play it because it shutdown.
Do you paid for what?
The consumer has nothing to do with his game failure... the consumer should ask refund.
Oh fuck off with this entitled bullshit. It's not a scam that a game failed.
This is what we call a strawman argument.
Actual statement: It's not entitled for someone to want a refund for a product that stopped working.
What you're arguing against: "Cliffy B should have refunded customers instead of paying his employees."
These are not the same thing and it's disingenuous to pretend they are.
I hope he chooses to come back at some point, but if he doesn't then fair enough. Can't say I would blame him.
Well, should have made a good game instead, single player, story focused, or maybe even something innovative and new like Hellblade instead of trying to jump on the newest hype train with microtransactions and GAAS focus.
The "old way" can still work. Right now, for smaller companies, probably better than anywhere in the last 10 years. Or just join a company and help there creating something cool. Like other said, he would probably get hired in a heartbeat.
The "old way" can still work. Right now, for smaller companies, probably better than anywhere in the last 10 years. Or just join a company and help there creating something cool. Like other said, he would probably get hired in a heartbeat.
This was playable for about a year wasn't it and it was $30? The outrage over $30 and a game you did play for a year is ridiculous. Shit happens with businesses in general I'm sure it wasn't an easy decision to close up shop but expecting someone to give you a refund a year later is just not how any business is done. Expecting it is entitled af if you think this is okay then your part of the problem, tell us how you spent your money to keep your employees afloat. What business did you start and run successfully? I'm not a fan of the guy in the slightest his attitude has always rubbed me the wrong way but doesn't mean he should have to deal with this. Good for him to do something else he certainly has the money to do so it seems.
Gamers have an entitlement issue but some of y'all get silly tripping over yourselves to run in the opposite direction. In no other industry would be be saying silly stuff like this.
The company closed. How would they even refund?
If he's not lying about playing the people laid off, that was the correct decision.
remembers Cliffy was part of a lawsuit to legally erase another video game from existence after his company didn't provide support for their own engine
alexa play crawling by linkin park
alexa play crawling by linkin park
If you're making games for the fans, you're doing it wrong
Good on Cliffy though, no salary for 2 years as the top dog is commendable, and on top of that he pays his staff after the company folds. You wont catch me making jokes about him, that's for sure
Good on Cliffy though, no salary for 2 years as the top dog is commendable, and on top of that he pays his staff after the company folds. You wont catch me making jokes about him, that's for sure
let's be real though, no one was going to invest in a CliffyB game again
Scam is when you buy a service but it is not delivered, no?
It is a issue with online games only but that is what is... you sell the functionality to play an online game, you shutdown the server, consumers can't do what you sold to them... what is called?
They delivered a working product, what do you (not you specifically) want?
He owns a (from what I hear) successful restaurant/bar in Raleigh. He may want to focus on expanding that business since he will have more time for it now.
Can't hate on the guy if he covered his employees ass like that even after the studio folded up. Hope the dude enjoy his retirement and if he finds the passion to come back he does so.
Ah ha that's cool. I guess that means there is a pretty good likelihood that we won't see another major title from him again.
Good to hear he's taken care of the workers. He gets some unfair stick.
Kind of reminds me of David Jaffe, very good for a period but can't come up with anything sadly. Perhaps these guys can come back in a new era.
Kind of reminds me of David Jaffe, very good for a period but can't come up with anything sadly. Perhaps these guys can come back in a new era.
Most people purchase non-consumable items with the expectation they remain useable for a period exceeding a year and one month.
If you want to argue he made the right decision in his priorities, that's one thing. And I would agree with it.
Arguing that it is entitled for consumers to expect their product to remain more than entirely unuseable for more than a year and one month is just plainly ludicrous.
I can't think of enthusiasts of any other hobby off the top of my head that feel they "deserve" as much as gamers do.
Why are they not the same thing? Like, I literally asked, where would the money come from? I'm not a business owner, but I expect if you refunded players, you'd have less money to pay for employees medical expenses. Seems like basic logic?
I think it's extremely entitled for a consumer to expect a refund after one year and one month of a fully playable game. There's nothing ludicrous about that. The game wasn't broken, they had to shut servers down.
What's the cut off then? 1 year and 1 month is bad, is 1 year and 2 months okay?
Looks like some of his ex employees don't seem too happy and are calling bullshit on his statements about pay after they closed:
See you at dawn, my dear Friend.
In all honesty I wish him and all involved the best of luck, and time off to rest. I'd like to see him back, hopefully working with a focused staff as a director, not having to worry about business, just the games. Would be good if MS picked him up, but not sure if bridges were burned??
In all honesty I wish him and all involved the best of luck, and time off to rest. I'd like to see him back, hopefully working with a focused staff as a director, not having to worry about business, just the games. Would be good if MS picked him up, but not sure if bridges were burned??
The only time a non-consumable consumer product is refunded for not working is if there is a warranty. I don't see any warranty on the game lasting X amount of time. So no, they actually aren't entitled to it. It's a raw deal to buyers, but "buyer beware."
that's one employee you listed and severance isn't the same thing as 401k and health benefits. 3 weeks severance for 2 years employment is actually average by north american standards, and good for a bankrupt company.
Can't blame him. If I was a developer, I would be fired or go out of it in a few days because as a fan I already lose my head with what I see in the internet with how people talk about.
#gamerthoughts
You could put this post on those weird "we live in a society post" meme and it'd come across as satire.
Games die. That's not a scam.