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CNN: How an internet mob falsely painted a Chipotle employee as racist
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If you're getting deja vu from the title, the original Chipotle story isn't new. (here's the original ResetEra thread), but this write-up is a new analysis on internet vigilantism.
Very sad story. I remember catching a lot of shit in that thread(and banned) for pointing out the obvious issues in the original story. It was clear from the get go there was more to the story but no one was interested in hearing it. Boy did they look foolish.
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Man I already don't like it when people on here make knee jerk reactions to stories we barely know the whole of but I'll chalk it up to people being angry at the state of things as they are, and frankly we probably don't really impact people's real lives that much
But if you step it up to this?
But if you step it up to this?
You are in the wrong, point blank
Yep, Era is so guilty of confirmation bias all the time. Immediate to say everyone is guilty without any evidence that would actually hold up in a court of law. It is also a case of Schadenfreude, people can't wait to see others fired/lives ruined, again without any evidence other than some social media story that can easily be made up/manipulated to look like something it isn't.
Because they came into the restraunt to order and would steal the food before paying. They'd done it multiple times at multiple stores and bragged about it on social media.
So why was she vindicated then? Not everyone is familiar with her story.
And boy does Era is quick to judge here too sometimes.
And boy does Era is quick to judge here too sometimes.
The group that came in had a history of dine and dashing. She recognized them and told them they had to pay first before she would make their food. They recorded a video claiming she only did this because they were black. Video went viral, Chipotle succumbed to social media pressure and fired her. A day or two later, it was found out this guy's Twitter history is full of dine and dashing. They ended up apologizing and rehiring her iirc.
What I remember most is when this all came to light we still had some posters continue to doubling down on how they weren't wrong.
Thanks.
Scumbags huh. And to make it about race is so disingenuous to everyone who has suffered an endured true racism and discrimination.
Yep to all of this. People also try to categorize those who don't join their judgement as horrible people off rip even if people wanna wait for more confirmation. Even if they have legit reasons too. Its sad.
That's the main reason I mostly stay on the gaming side. Its silly.
because the internet mob also looked into it and found their twitter account where they were publicly announcing their dine and dashing
also stood up for the employee from chipotle iirc in order to get her job back
Chipotle offered to rehire her but, quoting from the article:
And here we go again. It's not about racism but about internet mob mentality.
This is one of the larger problems at play. The refusal to learn from it and do better. Instead doubling down and demonizing everyone that didn't immediately join in as acting in bad faith, or whatever.
Yeah, this is why I don't bother posting in acusation threads anymore. If you don't immediately hop on the bandwagon then you're risking a ban. Anyway, I'm glad the girl was vindicated. It would have sucked going through life with people recognizing you as racist when it wasn't true.
really fucked up story, and the confirmation bias statement pretty much tells it all. i mean we're in a news of shoot first ask questions later, including with the media.
on another note though.. so uh.. hispanic people can't be racist towards black people? i really don't get this notion that only white people can be racist lol. i'm saying this as someone who's mixed and both hispanic and black as well. CNN kinda tried to pull the "...she wasn't even white!" card as if only white people can kick black people out of their restaurants? and to add, it's not like if she was white she's immediately guilty either?
on another note though.. so uh.. hispanic people can't be racist towards black people? i really don't get this notion that only white people can be racist lol. i'm saying this as someone who's mixed and both hispanic and black as well. CNN kinda tried to pull the "...she wasn't even white!" card as if only white people can kick black people out of their restaurants? and to add, it's not like if she was white she's immediately guilty either?
You know it's funny looking at the last pages of the original thread there are people there saying, "Oh well she got fired momentarily and rehired, no big deal, the internet mob fixed this shit"
People need to read this story that this poor lady went through a lot worse than that
People need to read this story that this poor lady went through a lot worse than that
This exact incident was discussed on ERA yes. There was also the whole episode with Jussie Smolett
The problem was the framing. With the white racist lady framing you are etablishing a powerful narrative which the internet mob will use to justify its actions.
The original details were that they were denied service for no reason
But let's expect people to know the past, present, and future of every reported instance.
People found out the kids were being fughazi and rightly called em out.
I mean, you should apply a bit of skepticism to everything you read without direct confirmation.
When did skepticism become a bad word?
Read the section of the article that deals with that again:
The context here is not that only white people can kick black people out of restaurants, but that Ms. Moran was being identified as white, instead of Mexican-American, in the online discourse surrounding the viral video.
oh trust me i know lol. it's an easy story. it's just annoying how even now they're trying to angle it a certain way even after the story was bullshit.
Can someone who works in fast food tell me what the proper way to de-escalate and resolve this situation was? As someone who worked in retail customer service for several years, I felt like the Chipotle employees handled the situation very poorly by retail standards, but I also know that fast food restaurants don't have on-site security that can escort people out the way that big retailers do. So I don't know what the proper way to resolve the situation was.
I do know that accusing someone of being a thief -- even if you are 10000% positive they are -- is a really terrible way of de-escalating a situation because it resolves literally nothing while making the other person more agitated.
I do know that accusing someone of being a thief -- even if you are 10000% positive they are -- is a really terrible way of de-escalating a situation because it resolves literally nothing while making the other person more agitated.
Just looking at the original thread. We had the tweets about the group of men having a history of stealing food at page 3 (50 posts). So you can stop defending internet mob mentality.
That allows racism to have room to propagate.
We've been through far too much to be skeptical about claims of racism.
Take every false report of racism ever made and it's absolutely dwarfed by valid credible accounts.
Its not racism if they are criminals, in California they won't even call the cops unless its over 100 dollars so what is a minimum wage worker supposed to do?
Why is there a picture of BBQ Becky in the article? That's one of the times people got it right. I think trying to tie this into that is kind of shitty if you're framing it as there being a problem with people being falsely accused of racism on social media, when the reality is 9 times out of ten the people probably are racist. If I remember right, the reason this woman was fired was because she didn't follow protocol by asking people to pay before they got their food, not because of racism accusations, though of course the video was the catalyst for that.
I don't want to relitigate the situation again, but that's not true. The manager even alluded to their history of not paying for food in the video. Chipotle's own investigation stated her reasoning was because she thought these were the same group that didn't pay for food at an earlier date. Their own public statement never denied these were the same people and that was the most telling part. Chipotle instead simply said, regardless whether or not these were the same individuals, she should have just made food first as that was company policy. She was fire because she broke that policy. All it takes is a smidgen of critical thinking to determine there was more to the story.
Seeing this all for the first time. Shitty.
Otherwise your position was defensible.
Edit--also it's been several months so maybe tone down the victory lap
No, you were banned for saying "outraged just to be outraged" and you deserved it.
Otherwise your position was defensible.
Edit--also it's been several months so maybe tone down the victory lap
She handled it properly for known dine and dashers, the only other recourse was to ban them from the restaurant completely. The problem is unlike retail, once they consume the product it is stolen and can't be returned. Unless someone demands that they regurgitate all the food after not paying....
And did people call them out after it was mentioned?
When the tweets emerge isn't relevant, its how people react afterwards with the new information. But of course you ignore my point to paint a narrative.
People are going to react to what information they have at the time.
You have no point. That's the problem.
Being critical about the information and the lack of information in such cases is neither racism nor racism enabling behavior.
Indeed and this place is the worst for it.
Glad I'm not the only person who that sees this. It's sad really how quick some people are to believe something just because it's been posted on the internet.
Only sometimes? 99.9% of the time more like.
Skepticism doesn't have anything to do with racism. You can be properly skeptical while still believing stories of racism don't be ridiculous.
Could they also go ahead and make the food, allow them to take it, and then take down the license plate number and report it to the police with other documentation like the record of bounced credit card transactions? This is similar to the practice at a lot of retailers.
You can't get the food back, but many retailers never get stolen merchandise back either. The point is to have the perpetrator apprehended so they can't rob people again, not necessarily to get the stolen items back.
Well sure, but what else can you do? Let them keep stiffing you?
There's not really a good way to "de-escalate" the situation. He already escalated the situation by coming in multiple times and stealing.
The manager here did nothing wrong. You wanna see a de-escalation gone wrong, check out that McDonald's video where that old white dude picks a fight with some black teenagers and then pulls out a gun.
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