No lies detected.Basically we should all be reading Astro city, thats the conclusion here
No lies detected.Basically we should all be reading Astro city, thats the conclusion here
So if it wasn't Identity CrisisI actually read Identity Crisis for the first time a couple weeks ago. It was definitely a comic book.
It could have been good if it weren't for the misery porn, misogyny, weird character retcons/assassinations, deeply unsatisfying conclusion...
If they had replaced all the pages with something good instead...I mean it's not too late for HiC. Have the same cover for HiC #9 but when ya open it up it's like The Anatomy Lesson From Saga of Swamp Thing instead. Don't announce it, or wink at the readers, just do it and see everyone reactions.Yeah like, if they came up with something different and published that instead? That might have worked.
This is the former, the problem is that Tom King is a depressed psychopath who uses cape comics for therapy when he's not using it to justify his 'generous' imperial views when it comes to the Middle East.Big tears were shed
I'm looking forward to the Vulture oral history about Heroes in Crisis. What was the origin of the decisions that went into making it into Identity Crisis 2, and when exactly did they shift from "nuanced empathetic look at trauma and grief" to "hyperbolic Reefer Madness level condemnation of mental illness and everyone who suffers from it". That's gotta be a great story.
Did they give Miles his parents back in the comics?Tim will never get his dad in any medium because of that book.
Yeah but that was Bendis correcting a mistake
Basically we should all be reading Astro city, thats the conclusion here
Yeah like, if they came up with something different and published that instead? That might have worked.
Cry for justice was that bad?Are you going to continue to torture yourself? Read Cry for Justice next.
Or, if you like Mary Marvel, the weekly series Countdown (to Final Crisis, but not really because nobody coordinated this with Final Crisis, or Death of the New Gods, or anything else, they just wanted your money for 52 straight weeks)
The only positive thing that I have to say about Identity Crisis is that it was a huge step in making the case the the DC Superheroes are an actual community behind the masks. Meltzer sprinkled so many little interpersonal nuances in between the garbage that I found myself caring more about DC characters after reading the book despite hating it.I actually read Identity Crisis for the first time a couple weeks ago. It was definitely a comic book.
It could have been good if it weren't for the misery porn, misogyny, weird character retcons/assassinations, deeply unsatisfying conclusion...
If y'all wanna read a GOOD superhero story about dealing with grief/trauma of a lost loved one, Pls seek out "The Nearness if You" in Astro City. I know whatsinaname can vouch for this
Listen to this man, he speaks the truth.Basically we should all be reading Astro city, thats the conclusion here
Gotta make a mental note to avoid it if I ever get around to going through the JL series @_@Oh it's terrible. And it directly leads into the even worse Rise of Arsenal.
Are you going to continue to torture yourself? Read Cry for Justice next.
Or, if you like Mary Marvel, the weekly series Countdown (to Final Crisis, but not really because nobody coordinated this with Final Crisis, or Death of the New Gods, or anything else, they just wanted your money for 52 straight weeks)
Ai caramba.....Remember how great James Robinson's Starman run was? And how it was this thoughtful exploration of legacy, heroism, and the dynamics of father/son relationships? And how it's one of the best things DC has published?
Well take those warm, fuzzy memories and rip them to shreds, throw the ripped up remains into a dumpster and catch the whole thing on fire, and then nuke it for good measure. The charred radioactive ashes that are left are Cry for Justice.
Honestly post Mike Grell/pre Archers Quest, the best green arrow showcase was with Connor in that Morrison JLA The Key.I'm kinda-sorta in no particular order going through Green Arrow's history. So yeah, Cry for Justice is on that list... Ollie had a pretty rough go for most of the 2000s. Almost between Kevin Smith bringing him back and Lemire salvaging his New 52 run has a pretty poor-to-middling reputation.
Related: I read through Crossroads (the Green Arrow arc immediately after Grell left the book) and that was a real shitshow. One issue he's teaming up with Deathstroke to shoot up a bunch of drug runners, then a few issues later he's hanging out with Anarky and blowing up an ammunition factory?
Yeah. Both of those books, my issues were his takeaways from the conflict and him essentially writing from pov's that maybe he shouldn't be writing from.
Mr. Miracle is its own thing. It is a little more personal and grounded on Mister Miracle's own history and journey. Apokolips vs New Genesis is just the backdrop and not the central theme like the other two books. My issues with that book were more with the pacing/screenplay layout - I don't think you will have the same problems with it that you did with Omega Men and Sheriff of Babylon.
You dropped the Omega Men at the right time then. I was a very big fan of the series right up until the end and the final issue completely turned me off of the rest of it. I'mguessing the end was supposed to refute American exceptionalism, but it very much reads like him supporting it, right down to the Omega Men not being able to govern themselves/their worlds without the guidance of Kyle as the great American savior. Sure Kyle makes his little meta speech at the end about living in the gutter between the panels, but by that point it just rang very hollow to me. The Vega system was set up as an analog for the Middle East and Kyle was King's self insert of the brave American agent going into foreign, hostile territory to save the people from themselves.
This is the former, the problem is that Tom King is a depressed psychopath who uses cape comics for therapy when he's not using it to justify his 'generous' imperial views when it comes to the Middle East.
I don't have much to add to the discussion because it's obvious that HiC has been a disaster one every level, but the are are some truly bad faith readings on King's work from you guys who I know are way smarter than that.
Edit Nevermind.
Great writers can have bad comics.Sometimes I'll read something from King and be convinced the guy is just not a good writer but just has a few interesting ideas. But then I read some of his other stuff and it's genuinely great.
I don't know how to feel. Reading Heroes in Crisis, it's like Tony S Daniel levels of writing. Then Vision and Omega Men and several other things are fantastic in pretty much every way.
Him posing under the Swords of Qādisīyah (Victory Arch) is some straight up George W Bush "Mission Accomplished!" level trash.
Sometimes I'll read something from King and be convinced the guy is just not a good writer but just has a few interesting ideas. But then I read some of his other stuff and it's genuinely great.
I don't know how to feel. Reading Heroes in Crisis, it's like Tony S Daniel levels of writing. Then Vision and Omega Men and several other things are fantastic in pretty much every way.
I don't think he was posing for that picture to make a statement or anything.Him posing under the Swords of Qādisīyah (Victory Arch) is some straight up George W Bush "Mission Accomplished!" level trash.
Yeah, looks like he just wanted a badass picture. lolI don't think he was posing for that picture to make a statement or anything.
I'm 3 issues behind. It's shit.I haven't. I enjoy his books. I did stop reading Heroes in Crisis. I ain't got time to watch my faves die.
Everyone time he writes be probably thinks, "If I don't write well, and please everyone, people are going to threaten to kill me and my wife".I'm amazed Tom King is still on Twitter. He's tweeting about people sending him death threats again.
I probably would have done the exact same thing at the time
I can still hope a writer can redeem themself after a shitty comic. Like Spencer.