Control PC performance thread

ThreepwoodsBigWhoop · Sep 3, 2019

Finally had a chance to try it out today. unfortunately with my 1080ti on both the newest nvidia driver and the one before as soon as the into cut scene ended it CTD with rtx enabled. Didnt matter what resolution i had it set to. I'm
hoping this will be rectified in either a patch or a new nvidia driver. Hands up if you have 20 series gpu envy 🙋🏻‍♂️

Deleted member 17092 · Sep 3, 2019

I'm confused. Why are y'all with Pascal tis even trying to run rtx? Like just sell your ti and buy a 2070s at probably no cost.

ThreepwoodsBigWhoop · Sep 3, 2019

ZOONAMI said:
I'm confused. Why are y'all with Pascal tis even trying to run rtx? Like just sell your ti and buy a 2070s at probably no cost.

Because overall the 2070 isn't as powerful as a 1080ti. For a handful of games it's not worth changing imo

GymWolf86 · Sep 3, 2019

I just bought a 2070super, maybe i can bruteforce 4k60 frame in some way with this game...

Deleted member 17092 · Sep 3, 2019

A 2070 super is as fast as a ti. Vanilla 2070 is eol so it's kind of irrelevant (although with a nice oc it will also do as well as a ti but with much better rtx).

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvida-geforce-rtx-2070-super/27.html

DeepChord · Sep 3, 2019

GymWolf86 said:
I just bought a 2070super, maybe i can bruteforce 4k60 frame in some way with this game...

without RTX? Most likely. With RTX? No way.

Deleted member 17092 · Sep 3, 2019

GymWolf86 said:
I just bought a 2070super, maybe i can bruteforce 4k60 frame in some way with this game...

I don't really think so. I think you can get into gsync 40-60 range with pretty much all the lowest settings at 4k native.

Honestly I might be partial to that too. I like all the rtx stuff but running 1080p just looks so bad compared to 4k native that I'm used to.

I feel like 1080p and reconstruction works a lot better on console than PC too. Sitting a couple feet away from a monitor it just kind of looks like ass when you're used to 4k native.

GymWolf86 · Sep 3, 2019

DeepChord said:
without RTX? Most likely. With RTX? No way.

ZOONAMI said:
I don't really think so. I think you can get into gsync 40-60 range with pretty much all the lowest settings at 4k native.

Honestly I might be partial to that too. I like all the rtx stuff but running 1080p just looks so bad compared to 4k native that I'm used to.

I feel like 1080p and reconstruction works a lot better on console than PC too. Sitting a couple feet away from a monitor it just kind of looks like ass when you're used to 4k native.

I'm gonna try some mix of low-medium-high without almost zero rtx.
Or maybe 1800p high with rtx on.
Dlss is pretty good in this game, maybe i will try even that...

ThreepwoodsBigWhoop · Sep 3, 2019

ZOONAMI said:
A 2070 super is as fast as a ti. Vanilla 2070 is eol so it's kind of irrelevant (although with a nice oc it will also do as well as a ti but with much better rtx).

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvida-geforce-rtx-2070-super/27.html

Hmm. Food for thought. Thanks I'll look into it

DeepChord · Sep 3, 2019

GymWolf86 said:
I'm gonna try some mix of low-medium-high without almost zero rtx.
Or maybe 1800p high with rtx on.
Dlss is pretty good in this game, maybe i will try even that...

try 1080p dlss'ed to 4k with Mid RTX. Those raytraced reflections are totally worth some compromises.

GymWolf86 · Sep 3, 2019

DeepChord said:
try 1080p dlss'ed to 4k with Mid RTX. Those raytraced reflections are totally worth some compromises.

I'm not really a big fan of rtx effect tbh, and that's why in my hands even a 2070super became a sustainable 4k60 gpu for most games.

Don't know if i'm ready to sacrifice native 4k or 60 frame for rtx effects...
But thanks for any advice, i have still to learn how dlss work, it is like you decide a base resolution and then decide for a reconstructed resolution? Do i have to use geforce experience for dlss? I hate that thing...

Hace · Sep 3, 2019

ZOONAMI said:
I'm confused. Why are y'all with Pascal tis even trying to run rtx? Like just sell your ti and buy a 2070s at probably no cost.

That's a lot of hassle for a negligible change in power and a seldom used feature set

LavaBadger · Sep 3, 2019

On a 4k display, what's the general wisdom for IQ when running under native res, especially for a game like this? Should I be running it at render 1080p display 4k? Or render and display at 1440p. My display doesn't play nice with 1440p (I have to set it as a custom resolution), so I end up with an all or nothing proposition when it comes to using 1440p (I'm on a 1080, though I don't think it probably matters as to the question). My general experience this far is that the game looks pretty "soft" at 1440p (Everything at medium, no rtx), but perhaps that says more about the game than the resolution

Deleted member 17092 · Sep 3, 2019

ThreepwoodsBigWhoop said:
Hmm. Food for thought. Thanks I'll look into it

LavaBadger said:
On a 4k display, what's the general wisdom for IQ when running under native res, especially for a game like this? Should I be running it at render 1080p display 4k? Or render and display at 1440p. My display doesn't play nice with 1440p (I have to set it as a custom resolution), so I end up with an all or nothing proposition when it comes to using 1440p (I'm on a 1080, though I don't think it probably matters as to the question). My general experience this far is that the game looks pretty "soft" at 1440p (Everything at medium, no rtx), but perhaps that says more about the game than the resolution

Yeah even at native 4k it's pretty soft looking even with trying to reduce blur and film grain, even using a sharpening filter.

It definitely looks best at native 4k but yeah then you're doing 4k30 basically with no rtx unless you have a 2080 ti.

DeepChord · Sep 3, 2019

GymWolf86 said:
I'm not really a big fan of rtx effect tbh, and that's why in my hands even a 2070super became a sustainable 4k60 gpu for most games.

Don't know if i'm ready to sacrifice native 4k or 60 frame for rtx effects...
But thanks for any advice, i have still to learn how dlss work, it is like you decide a base resolution and then decide for a reconstructed resolution? Do i have to use geforce experience for dlss? I hate that thing...

No Geforce Experience needed for DLSS. It depends on the game on how to enable it. In the case of control you Enable DLSS, select a base resolution and a reconstructed resolution. For 4k you are offered 1080p and 1440p as a base resolution. With my 2080 Ti I can do 1080p dlss'ed to 4k with everything max and run at a stable 60 fps.

GymWolf86 · Sep 3, 2019

DeepChord said:
No Geforce Experience needed for DLSS. It depends on the game on how to enable it. In the case of control you Enable DLSS, select a base resolution and a reconstructed resolution. For 4k you are offered 1080p and 1440p as a base resolution. With my 2080 Ti I can do 1080p dlss'ed to 4k with everything max and run at a stable 60 fps.

Good thanks.

Now i'm only waiting for the gpu from the shop.

Samaritan · Sep 3, 2019

Just picked up a 2080 Ti cause of this game. At 1440p, what's the best way to achieve a playable framerate (60+) with RTX features turned on? DLSS? Render the game sub-native and let it scale up?

SunBroDave · Sep 3, 2019

Samaritan said:
Just picked up a 2080 Ti cause of this game. At 1440p, what's the best way to achieve a playable framerate (60+) with RTX features turned on? DLSS? Render the game sub-native and let it scale up?

On a 2080ti, you wanna use DLSS with internal res set as close to 1080p as possible

tulpa · Sep 3, 2019

Samaritan said:
Just picked up a 2080 Ti cause of this game. At 1440p, what's the best way to achieve a playable framerate (60+) with RTX features turned on? DLSS? Render the game sub-native and let it scale up?

1440p DLSS with the 960 option (there's an option for 960 or 720 native rendering for 1440p), HBAO off, everything else on max including all RT features. Enjoy one of the best games ever!

Dreams-Visions · Sep 3, 2019

Samaritan said:
Just picked up a 2080 Ti cause of this game. At 1440p, what's the best way to achieve a playable framerate (60+) with RTX features turned on? DLSS? Render the game sub-native and let it scale up?

As mentioned, DLSS enabled with the highest resolution scaling option possible. Set RTX to HIGH and start with everything else on medium. I'd recommend that you increase things as you see fit from there. Some features on High or Ultra provide little gain and lots of performance loss.

Locked 60 really isn't possible with RTX on and the IQ you want but you can get pretty close. There will be dips depending on what's happening and what weapons you're using.

Samaritan · Sep 3, 2019

SunBroDave said:
On a 2080ti, you wanna use DLSS with internal res set as close to 1080p as possible

tulpa said:
1440p DLSS with the 960 option (there's an option for 960 or 720 native rendering for 1440p), HBAO off, everything else on max including all RT features. Enjoy one of the best games ever!

Dreams-Visions said:
As mentioned, DLSS enabled with the highest resolution scaling option possible. Set RTX to HIGH and start with everything else on medium. Increase things as you see fit from there.

Thanks guys, appreciate it! Any RTX features not worth the performance penalty? Maybe ray traced debris?

SunBroDave · Sep 3, 2019

Samaritan said:
Thanks guys, appreciate it! Any RTX features not worth the performance penalty? Maybe ray traced debris?

The Indirect Lighting option has a fairly high performance cost, and when it's on it adds a lot of weird grainy artifacts on the player character when near intense light sources. Many people (myself included) would recommend turning that off

jett · Sep 3, 2019

Xcell Miguel said:
It's also totally random, from one launch to another the game can have less frequent stutters and sometimes it happens very often.

I was gonna mention the same thing. Sometimes I launch the game and it's stutter free. Other times it's a stutter fest. Sigh.

Rickyrozay2o9 · Sep 3, 2019

Megasoum said:
To unlock the Bonus Content:

Credit to tet666 for the addresses!

Open the file Control_DX12.exe or Control_DX11.exe in HxD. Hit Ctrl-F to open the Find window and switch to the "Hex-Values" tab.

First, search for value 74 43 by hitting the "Search All" button. You should get a bunch of results in the search box at the bottom. Scroll through that results list until your find the line with the "Offset" value of 11D4D6. Double-click on that line to jump to it and then modify the 74 43 to 90 90.

Second, search for value 74 3D by hitting the "Search All" button. You should get a bunch of results in the search box at the bottom. Scroll through that results list until your find the line with the "Offset" value of 11D4DC. Double-click on that line to jump to it and then modify the 74 3D to 90 90.

Save the changes

I can't seem to find these values with the hex strings using either exe.

Megasoum · Sep 3, 2019

Rickyrozay2o9 said:
I can't seem to find these values with the hex strings using either exe.

You are searching for "74 43" only?

I'm not home right now so I can't check but... Pure speculation here... I wonder if Remedy might not patch the exe to remove the exploit... Has there been a patch on PC recently?

Slochy · Sep 3, 2019

You need to search using Ctrl-G, not F.

Deleted member 17092 · Sep 3, 2019

SunBroDave said:
The Indirect Lighting option has a fairly high performance cost, and when it's on it adds a lot of weird grainy artifacts on the player character when near intense light sources. Many people (myself included) would recommend turning that off

Ah, that's what that is!? Thanks for this. I was wondering what the hell was going on.

Rickyrozay2o9 · Sep 3, 2019

Megasoum said:
You are searching for "74 43" only?

I'm not home right now so I can't check but... Pure speculation here... I wonder if Remedy might not patch the exe to remove the exploit... Has there been a patch on PC recently?

Oh nvm I got it working.

Smokey · Sep 3, 2019

Egocrata said:
I had the game hard crash on me today. It has been fairly stable until now, but I guess stuff happens. PC version.

I actually made it all the way through with no crashes. I was impressed.

Spark · Sep 3, 2019

I played through the bonus PS exclusive mission yesterday and it was legitimately the worsted piece of content I've played in the game so far. I can't believe at some stage I considered getting the Pro version due to that.

Carian Knight · Sep 3, 2019

8700K / GTX 1080+ / 1440p 144hz

These are the settings, Nvidia's new sharpening filter does wonders no reason to render at native 1440p, I'm really happy with the FPS I'm getting and the game looks fantastic.

Khalid030 · Sep 3, 2019

Getting massive FPS drops when in combat specifically when using the Launch ability near enemies, anyone else?

Anddo · Sep 3, 2019

Setting texture quality to medium fixed all issues on desktop for me. I can now max everything out (volumetric lighting med, Ray-Traced Indirect Diffuse Lighting OFF).. I'm running 1440p with DLSS well above 75 fps in most places, combat around 64 fps.

Deleted member 1594 · Sep 3, 2019

ZOONAMI said:
Yep, my stable 2070 oc crashed this game within 5 minutes. Had to dial back core to just under 2000mhz stable boost and "only" running 15200mhz on the memory instead of 16000mhz as I usually do.

I'm 2100mhz stable in BF5. In Control and Quantum Break, I'm stable at 2025mhz. It's weird. I can keep my memory at +1400 though.

Some games just use more power and access more things at once, causing instability. Dont really know why, but that's the nice thing about Afterburner profiles I guess :)

Perfect Chaos · Sep 3, 2019

Hey all, apologies if this was answered, but I couldn't find it - I'm on an RTX 2070 Super with the latest drivers, and the ray tracing settings are not available for me. DLSS is able to be turned on, but Ray Tracing is just locked out. Does this have a known solution? Thanks.
Edit: Should mention I am on the DX12 version, too.

Dan L · Sep 3, 2019

Perfect Chaos said:
Hey all, apologies if this was answered, but I couldn't find it - I'm on an RTX 2070 Super with the latest drivers, and the ray tracing settings are not available for me. DLSS is able to be turned on, but Ray Tracing is just locked out. Does this have a known solution? Thanks.
Edit: Should mention I am on the DX12 version, too.

what is your version of windows 10? I think you need 1903, possible it may work on 1809 as well but not earlier versions

Perfect Chaos · Sep 4, 2019

Dan Longman said:
what is your version of windows 10? I think you need 1903, possible it may work on 1809 as well but not earlier versions

My update screen was reporting 1903, but after doing some hunting, I ran winver and discovered that it's supposedly 1803. I grabbed the Windows 10 update assistant off the MS website and am running that now. If I get it successfully installed I'll report back with results!

Edit: yeah, looks like I was on 1803 despite the Windows Update screen telling me I was up to date. I'll report back.

SofNascimento · Sep 4, 2019

One quick question. I was just checking a few things in the NVidia Control Panel (I wanted to run Control with its v-sync rather than the one in the game) and I noticed the Multi-Frame Sampled AA was turned on, as if I had changed it. But I didn't. I went clicked the restore option and it went to back to what it should be. Is there any chance that option was turned on by default and I should turn it back on? I'm not even sure what it does by the way, but it seems to be some type of AA obviously.

damngreatcoffee · Sep 4, 2019

To 2070 Super and 2080 Ti owners: what are the highest settings that you can do stable-ish 60 fps with when RT is set to Medium? Mainly res is what I'm interested in. Thinking of upgrading to one of these cards from a Vega 56 and looking for reasons to validate my purchase.

Also this is basically for everyone: what do you think, roughly when is the next generation of RT capable GPUs will come out? The current ones seems to be absolute monsters for rasterised games but they really do seem to struggle when RT comes into play.

Deleted member 21003 · Sep 4, 2019

Even with a 2080ti I'm really unhappy with the performance in this game. I don't even have RTX turned on because I actually like my framerate to be above 40.

theslb · Sep 4, 2019

So i have a mid end 1070 and only down one setting(volumetric lightning)and easy get 45fps low in very intense battles,mostly 60fps at fullhd and a 2080ti even at 4k is at 40fps without rtx?

Slammey · Sep 4, 2019

I have the following :

I9 7940X
2080Ti
Ultrawide 3440x1440 - Gsync

I set everything to max, use DLSS to that render res which is 960p from the native 3440x1440 and I get average between 50-70 fps. Mind you that I use reshade which shaves about 5-6 fps.

It's quite playable like this and technically the game is beautiful. I like the evolution of RTX and where it's going. Surely it's not quite there yet but the next gen cards should see a huge bump in performance I think. We'll see.

lorsel · Sep 4, 2019

damngreatcoffee said:
To 2070 Super and 2080 Ti owners: what are the highest settings that you can do stable-ish 60 fps with when RT is set to Medium? Mainly res is what I'm interested in. Thinking of upgrading to one of these cards from a Vega 56 and looking for reasons to validate my purchase.

Also this is basically for everyone: what do you think, roughly when is the next generation of RT capable GPUs will come out? The current ones seems to be absolute monsters for rasterised games but they really do seem to struggle when RT comes into play.

I played this game on my 2080ti with DLSS and geforce experience sharpening @80%. I set volumentric lighting to medium and RT Indirect Diffuse Lighting "off", everything else maxed out @1080p DLSS on a 4K TV and locked 60fps. Maybe with RT settings to medium i can play @1440p DLSS and locked 60fps, but i have not tested that.

theslb said:
So i have a mid end 1070 and only down one setting(volumetric lightning)and easy get 45fps low in very intense battles,mostly 60fps at fullhd and a 2080ti even at 4k is at 40fps without rtx?

1080p to 4k is four times more demanding, so that numbers makes sense i guess.

newmoneytrash · Sep 4, 2019

I played about 6 hours (or more) of this game without a single hitch and then I hit the quarry and now I can't play more than five minutes without it crashing, even when moving to other areas.

I've tried adjusting the settings, reinstalling, installing to different drives, updating and rolling back graphics drivers, and still nothing. I'm really frustrated because I just can't see what the issue would be.

I have a 2070 and an i9 and have never had any issues before now but both this and Remnant just constantly crash over and over

edit: nvm it's definitely something wrong with my PC, i just don't know *what*

FoxJenkins · Sep 4, 2019

I tried to read thru and see if someone had a similar setup to mine and what settings they were running but it's a lot in here.

Any preferred settings for a 2070 with an i7 8700

I'm using a dell 27 inch 144hz g-sync monitor.

GeForce optimization just made the game uglier to me. But it stutters if I just max it out.

Edit : I'm trying to run it at 2k maybe I should scale back to 1080p to get 60 frames?

Lockjaw333 · Sep 4, 2019

So according to the DF video, if you have all RTX settings on you can safely disable SSAO and Global Reflections, correct?

I stood still at a few different spots and couldn't see a difference with them on vs off with all RTX on, so I'm assuming it's correct.

Menchin · Sep 4, 2019

I'm on a 980Ti with a 9700K and I'm not really getting below 40-45 in battles if I turn down Volumetric Lighting.

Game still looks amazing with it turned down.

jim2011 · Sep 4, 2019

Anddo said:
Setting texture quality to medium fixed all issues on desktop for me. I can now max everything out (volumetric lighting med, Ray-Traced Indirect Diffuse Lighting OFF).. I'm running 1440p with DLSS well above 75 fps in most places, combat around 64 fps.

Thanks! Changing texture quality from ultra to high helped me a lot on my 2080.

GhostBanana · Sep 4, 2019

FoxJenkins said:
I tried to read thru and see if someone had a similar setup to mine and what settings they were running but it's a lot in here.

Any preferred settings for a 2070 with an i7 8700

I'm using a dell 27 inch 144hz g-sync monitor.

GeForce optimization just made the game uglier to me. But it stutters if I just max it out.

Edit : I'm trying to run it at 2k maybe I should scale back to 1080p to get 60 frames?

I have a 2060S so we are similar. I would suggest running at 1080p and scaling up to 1440 and then following the DF recommendations, including disabling SSAO and Global Reflections (as mentioned right above). Stutters seem to happen no matter what. That memory program that Dictator posted ealier did seem to help me quite a bit.

Deleted member 15395 · Sep 4, 2019

bonkasaurus said:
Even with a 2080ti I'm really unhappy with the performance in this game. I don't even have RTX turned on because I actually like my framerate to be above 40.

What resolution are you playing on? on 1080p native I hardly ever drop below 60 with a 2080ti and most of the settings maxed out (including RT).

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