Coronavirus Discussion Thread (See Staff Post) [UPDATE: WHO declares global emergency. See threadmarks]
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Again, this is just your opinion and we can't say how trusting or not the information is. What proof is there to make this concrete at all. Yes the hubei government seems to have been downplaying it to the higher ups but other than that they count count and release numbers til they actually get to the point as they are dealing with 1000s of people worrying they have it when they may not.
China has implemented the largest quarantine in history. Pretty extreme.
People who actually live outside of China can be processed over there and put on a plane back home when they've been cleared. I would say the same thing if it were me over there.
that's just great. he probably came in contact with thousands of people
You don't know every person's situation or predation to make those sort of demands. Most people do not have the virus and your idea of checking every person only isn't absurd, it's ridiculous and impossible. This is not a death sentence virus.
You can't check millions of travelers for a disease.
Some of your ideas are so poorly weighted it starts to get annoying
What the fuck is this? You know that Guilin is outside the quarantine zone, with access to the Internet and the rest of the world, right?
Right, I'm saying we won't have to check millions of travelers for a disease if we just don't let them land in the first place. That's my whole point. If you're a citizen of the US (or wherever), you can be tested and then return home, or return home and be tested before going to your actual house.
Masks aren't really helpful for keeping pathogens out. It's more about keeping them in.
It's more closely related to SARS/MERS. And it's both more infectious and considerably more deadly than seasonal flu (0.05% mortality rate for the flu this season vs. an observed 2-3% mortality rate for 2019-nCoV.
Where do you live? If you are in North America that's definitely not necessary or helpful given what we know at the moment.
Are you giving them each 10 masks/day?
That's going to start getting expensive
This is literally pointless. They will take them off first chance they get.
Why is the "recovered" number so low compared to deaths?
Perhaps down to tracking? or might need more time to see what happens with current infections.
It's similar to the flu but it can induce pneumonia rapidly. It's not a death sentence by any means. The problem in hand being, it is currently mutating and that's a gamble: the virus could either become more dangerous or less harfmul as it keeps spreading. It is the uncertainty and novelty what has raised concerns all around the world.
It still appears most deadly for the elderly and those with pre-existing conditions, but can nevertheless get bad enough that hospitalization is required.
It takes a week or two to actually fully recover from a cold or flu. Care is largely supportive.
Last cold I had seemed to linger about four weeks. Could have been two colds back to back but it floored me
Damn, the 3rd US case is down the street from me (~5 miles) and I'm older (38) w/ some pre-existing conditions and on immune suppressant medication. I catch every flu/cold that comes through no matter how much I try to avoid people and keep good hygiene and it hits me harder and takes me 2-4x as long to recover as everyone else.
Pretty concerned tbh. More than I have been about any previous worldwide virus spread. Hope I don't get this as I'm afraid of my survival chances if I do.
Pretty concerned tbh. More than I have been about any previous worldwide virus spread. Hope I don't get this as I'm afraid of my survival chances if I do.
I'm in Toronto and my neighborhood is stressing. My local pharmacy has sold out of masks since the news. Wen to get groceries and that's what everyone was talking about. My colleague and boss are in full panic mode.
Hopefully the spread doesn't get much worse. Only one confirmed case here so I'm not really worried.
Hopefully the spread doesn't get much worse. Only one confirmed case here so I'm not really worried.
I thiiink I might avoid public transit where I can, for a minute. I have severe doubt about the cleanliness of TTC fabric seats on the best of days, let alone now lol.
I didn't ask the specifics, I saw the owner of the pharmacy standing out front arranging one of his signs, and said hello since I see him almost everyday waking to work. Asked him about this whole situation and he said they are out of masks currently since the news broke out.
CP24 must have had a collective orgasm when news of the virus reaching Toronto broke.
This is what they do best.
We haven't seen anything yet, pretty sure they'll have the entire city panicking by the end of the week.
Biorxiv is a free, open-source depository for scientific manuscripts that have not yet been peer-reviewed (but are expected to be sent out for peer-review very soon if not already under peer-review).
If you'd like to read one of the first manuscripts about the new Coronavirus outbreak, try this manuscript (click to open the PDF on the linked page):
If you'd like to read one of the first manuscripts about the new Coronavirus outbreak, try this manuscript (click to open the PDF on the linked page):
I saw that too, it's still 3~4% fatal, not 10%. I'll edit out the video until they update it accurately.
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I saw some post quoting hk university saying it is 15% fatal if it requires hospitalization similar to SARS. But unlike SARS (where hospitalization is certain) the hospitalization rate is lower so the overall mortality rate should be lower.
Still, if it is allowed to spread it will probably be 100 times worse than flu.
For those following the wiki article ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019–20_Wuhan_coronavirus_outbreak#cite_note-3 ), be wary it gets edited by trolls from time to time. Just a moment ago I caught this edit:
Which is completely false. The official numbers still stand at around 2,050 cases confirmed. Just wanted to let you know in case you come up with inconsistencies.
Which is completely false. The official numbers still stand at around 2,050 cases confirmed. Just wanted to let you know in case you come up with inconsistencies.
And that 3 to 4 percent rate are only for those that are hospitalized. The fatality rate will likely be a low lower as those that got them but didn't feel the need to go to the hospital recover with no adverse effects.
That Nature article up this thread is actually showing to epidemiologists that this one isn't mutating as rapidly as they thought when they compared the samples then to the ones making people sick now.
Was it this past year? If we caught the same thing, it wasn't really a cold, but a pharyngitis outbreak worldwide. I and a lot of people I knew (including overseas) had symptoms for about a month.
Normal colds are about two weeks or less...
I should add that the flu symptoms are also a lot worse than the cold. Once you had the flu, you'll know if what you have is the cold or the flu in the future. The flu makes you feel like you got hit by ten trucks. Like you can't even get up to drink water because you feel faint kind of symptoms.
Definitely. The flu is on a whole other level in terms of severity.
That being said, I don't actually know the symptoms first-hand since I haven't had the flu for close to two decades now, even without the flu vaccine. I've, however, caught so many different pharyngeal and bronchio-related viruses. I think it's because a lot of those viruses transmit asymptomatically, but I'm not 100% sure.
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